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Fair points, whether someone can do a full days work on the iPad is dependent on what you do so YMMV.


I do get it and I have been using iPads for 7 years and have had no issues doing a days work on the iPad. Would direct storage be a major plus? yes it would, but because Apple have not built that out yet I work with all of my files in Dropbox, Onedrive and iCloud. I can VPN to client sites, manage and control networks via the iPad and sometimes it is quicker and more convenient to use the iPad than to get my MacBook Pro out.

The iPad is definitely not as versatile as a desktop or laptop but for a lot of people it is more than capable of being their primary device. For others it is a complimentary device or can stand in for the main device when required.

There are open source solutions for supporting other file systems, I have Linux based boxes that support NTFS read / write.

Why does macOS only have NTFS read only support - because Apple have chosen not to put anymore effort into it for whatever reason. It doesn't mean to say this is difficult to achieve.

If accessing file systems is easy to do then why does macOS still only have read only access to NTFS (without using flakey 3rd party solutions) and what magic bullet are Apple going to deploy to solve this on iPad?
 
For some people.

Funny how there's so many here that conveniently chose to ignore that.

I suppose it does give a few dozen here the opportunity to get frothed up with indignation and faux outrage.


Clearly, you're the one choosing to "conveniently ignore" the fact that Apple explicitly markets the iPad Pro as being a computer.

"With iPad, you get what you need from a computer, along with many incredible things you’d never expect from one. Here are a few reasons why your next computer just might be an iPad."

https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/why-ipad/

In fact, they go on further to state:

"iPad does what a computer does, but in more intuative ways."

"It works like a computer. And in ways most computers can't."

"It has the apps you expect on a computer, plus a million designed just for iPad."

"
It has a place for your files, and a way to get to them
from all your devices."


Subjectively, the iPad Pro may replace a full PC for your needs.

Objectively, the iPad Pro does not provide the same functionality as a full PC.

Comments requesting, for example, external storage accessibility, ability to run multiple instances of an app, resizing of windows, background and enhanced multitasking, and mouse support, are all requests to bring the functionality of the iPad Pro to the standards of a PC/Mac.

Not only is there nothing wrong with this, but people should continue their "indignation" and "outrage", as that is the only way change will actually happen.
 
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Clearly, you're the one choosing to "conveniently ignore" the fact that Apple explicitly markets the iPad Pro as being a computer.

"With iPad, you get what you need from a computer, along with many incredible things you’d never expect from one. Here are a few reasons why your next computer just might be an iPad."

https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/why-ipad/

In fact, they go on further to state:

"iPad does what a computer does, but in more intuative ways."

"It works like a computer. And in ways most computers can't."

"It has the apps you expect on a computer, plus a million designed just for iPad."

"
It has a place for your files, and a way to get to them
from all your devices."


Subjectively, the iPad Pro may replace a full PC for your needs.

Objectively, the iPad Pro does not provide the same functionality as a full PC.

Comments requesting, for example, external storage accessibility, ability to run multiple instances of an app, resizing of windows, background and enhanced multitasking, and mouse support, are all requests to bring the functionality of the iPad Pro to the standards of a PC/Mac.

Not only is there nothing wrong with this, but people should continue their "indignation" and "outrage", as that is the only way change will actually happen.

Nice try. If you need to want/choose to believe that Apple is marketing the iPad to replace their desktop computers to all people, for all situations, please feel free.

And stay frothed up about it, as it gives you some kind of power and purpose for your indignation. That's fine with me.
 
Nice try. If you need to want/choose to believe that Apple is marketing the iPad to replace their desktop computers to all people, for all situations, please feel free.

And stay frothed up about it, as it gives you some kind of power and purpose for your indignation. That's fine with me.

"Nice try"?

Is your ability to read and comprehend clear text hampered by any chance? If so, lucky for you the iPad has excellent accessibility features that support vision, interaction, hearing, and learning needs.

If not, then you will clearly accept that Apple explicitly markets the iPad as a computer, and markets the iPad Pro "to all people".

This is the crux of their marketing, and these videos from Apple clearly express this intention, that "with iPad, you get what you need from a computer, along with many incredible things you’d never expect from one".

Your biggest failure not understanding that the aforementioned requests increase functionality without redundancy, and without changing the identity of the iPad Pro.

Unfortunately, people like yourself will reap the benefits of consumer feedback and demand. You will continue to sit on your pointless high horse, and yet, be the first one to express your admiration and rave over a new feature.
 
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Great ads.

Looks like a lot consumers are starting to replace personal computers with iPads.
 
"Nice try"?

Is your ability to read and comprehend clear text hampered by any chance? If so, lucky for you the iPad has excellent accessibility features that support vision, interaction, hearing, and learning needs.

If not, then you will clearly accept that Apple explicitly markets the iPad as a computer, and markets the iPad Pro "to all people".

This is the crux of their marketing, and these videos from Apple clearly express this intention, that "with iPad, you get what you need from a computer, along with many incredible things you’d never expect from one".

Your biggest failure not understanding that the aforementioned requests increase functionality without redundancy, and without changing the identity of the iPad Pro.

Unfortunately, people like yourself will reap the benefits of consumer feedback and demand. You will continue to sit on your pointless high horse, and yet, be the first one to express your admiration and rave over a new feature.

When you resort to juvenile personal attacks there's really no point in continuing the discussion. Stay angry and keep believing the iPad is marketed as a personal computer to all people for all situations, as you do.
 
The Apple haters really do believe that Apple is marketing the iPad as a PC replacement yet forget that Apple still makes PCs. They like to cling at even the slightest perceived negative that Apple does and shout as loud as they can as if they just had an epiphany. But in reality they just parrot each other.
 
When you resort to juvenile personal attacks there's really no point in continuing the discussion. Stay angry and keep believing the iPad is marketed as a personal computer to all people for all situations, as you do.

Personal attacks? I am genuinely concerned that you are not able to read Apple's marketing material. After all, it is clear as day and explicitly written. You don't even have to make an inference. I have even put in the hard yards to quote Apple directly.

And you are apparently "continuing" a discussion? Your only contribution to this thread was stating that Apple are not marketing iPad Pros as computers. I presented factual evidence that they do. I even went further to bring the thread back on topic with reference to the videos continuing Apple's marketing move to strengthen their claims on the iPad's functionality.

Instead of acknowledging it and presenting a legitimate argument, you explicitly that:
  • Factual evidence is a "belief"
  • A dozen contributors here are "frothed up with indignation" and "faux outrage"
  • I should "stay angry"
So simply because you cannot provide any justification, any evidence, any proof whatsoever for your statement, you have the audacity to personally attack those who are not only expressing their opinion but expressing an opinion that has proof and factual basis?

Instead, you decide to resort to snarky comments, calling them "angry", "frothed up with indignation" and exhibiting "faux outrage", and dismiss their opinions and calling them fake?

How ironic. You really do know how to capture the moment Citysnaps.
 
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Fair points, whether someone can do a full days work on the iPad is dependent on what you do so YMMV.




There are open source solutions for supporting other file systems, I have Linux based boxes that support NTFS read / write.

Why does macOS only have NTFS read only support - because Apple have chosen not to put anymore effort into it for whatever reason. It doesn't mean to say this is difficult to achieve.
Like I said, janky support.
 
I’d be happy to be able to import raw photos from an SD card directly into the Lightroom app, bypassing the Photos app altogether. Other than that, I absolutely love processing my photos using my 12.9 iPad Pro. Using a pencil to draw local adjustments directly into a photo is quite an amazing experience. Better than my Mac with Wacom tablet.

Some people are fine with the status quo. I am not and fully embrace further changes to iOS to open it up to do more.

Keep the requests coming people.
 
If not, then you will clearly accept that Apple explicitly markets the iPad as a computer, and markets the iPad Pro "to all people".

The iPad Pro, just like the iPad and iPhone is a computer. It is not a Windows machine, nor a Linux, nor a macOS machine, but it is a computer. It is a Turing Complete system and can do anything any computer can do (even if one has to write the applications oneself). Yes, Apple markets the iPad to all people, just as it markets macOS computers to all people, even though there are many users for whom a macOS system is inappropriate (professionals who need to run ProEngineer or some other Windows app as their primary use). Apple is not trying to force people to purchase something that will not satisfy their needs, but to consider where its products might be sufficient for what people really do, vs. what they think think they require.

This is the crux of their marketing, and these videos from Apple clearly express this intention, that "with iPad, you get what you need from a computer, along with many incredible things you’d never expect from one".

This is the emphasis that I am pretty sure Apple intends, not that this should be thought of as a macOS or Windows PC, but as a device that does what most people need a computer to do. If it does not work for you, you should not buy it. This is just as true for macOS as it is for iPads. If it does not serve your needs do not buy it.

Your biggest failure not understanding that the aforementioned requests increase functionality without redundancy, and without changing the identity of the iPad Pro.

Your biggest failure is not understanding that these requests might or might not change the identity of the iPad Pro, and that there are others (include many professionals) who have different use patterns than you that are just as valid as yours. I am happy to have more functionality that does not compromise the ease of use, long battery life, and touch centric interface. As an example if Apple can implement more multi-tasking functionality without creating a system that will burn through my battery too quickly, great. If they cannot, many others and I would prefer things to remain as they are.

Unfortunately, people like yourself will reap the benefits of consumer feedback and demand. You will continue to sit on your pointless high horse, and yet, be the first one to express your admiration and rave over a new feature.

Years ago, one of the designers of the Mac Portable and the first Powerbook spoke to a CS class at Stanford. He showed the two machines, and that technology had not progressed that much between them, but simply that they made different design decisions between them. One of the students asked the designer: "It seems so obvious that the Mac Portable was a terrible design, and given that the same team did both of them, what did you do wrong the first time?"

His response: "The first time we built what our customers asked us to build, the second time we built what they wanted. In all the early focus groups customers said: 'We need a full day battery, a screen as good as the Mac's, a full travel keyboard, etc.', so that is what we gave them. The second time we realized that, despite what they told us repeatedly, they did not really want that if the Mac Portable was the result, what they wanted was a machine that had many compromises, but was actually small enough to really carry around."

Every system involves trade-offs. It seems that you (and some others on here) do not like the trade-offs Apple chose for the iPad Pro. That is totally fine. Just recognize that there are others who are completely happy with these trade-offs.
 
I’d be happy to be able to import raw photos from an SD card directly into the Lightroom app, bypassing the Photos app altogether. Other than that, I absolutely love processing my photos using my 12.9 iPad Pro. Using a pencil to draw local adjustments directly into a photo is quite an amazing experience. Better than my Mac with Wacom tablet.

My fiancé has a Wacom Cintiq 22HD that he stopped using when he got his iPad 12.9" and his Apple Pencil. He has it connected to his iMac Pro using AstroPad. Last December he upgraded to the new 11" iPad Pro and loves that even more. He uses it on set for blocking scenes with actors (he directs and edits, as well as does some motion graphics/VFX). He also carries it with him to draw story boards for upcoming projects.

I would be happy to have Apple support a direct interface between iOS and macOS for this use case (rumors are this is happening. :) ) [Note: Sidecar]

It would be really cool if developers like Adobe and Serif (both who have or plan to have full versions of their apps on the iPad), supported an enhanced mode with the UI running on the iPad and the backend processing running on multiple eGPUs on a Mac (for the small number of use cases that could take advantage of it).
(A toolkit I would love someone to develop would be a front end UIKit that ran on the iPad that could talk to a backend on the Mac, giving me a snappy UI with the ability to support multiple eGPUs for the small number of cases where that would matter).

Some people are fine with the status quo. I am not and fully embrace further changes to iOS to open it up to do more.

Many people (me included), find the device does more than enough for typical mobile device use (laptop replacement). As long as the changes do not sacrifice those qualities, I am always happy to have more functionality.
 
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It seems that you (and some others on here) do not like the trade-offs Apple chose for the iPad Pro. That is totally fine. Just recognize that there are others who are completely happy with these trade-offs.

You have COMPLETELY missed the whole point of my post. And indirectly VALIDATED what I said.

Re-read.

Again, let me dumb it down:
  • Apple markets the iPad Pro as being a computer. (https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/19/18103515/ipad-pro-replace-your-computer-ad-apple)
  • It is marketed as such so that consumers can visualize an association between a product that they are familiar with and the product that Apple is offering.
  • Why? Because Apple wants to sell their products to a wider audience i.e not just a "tablet" audience, not just a "netbook" audience etc
  • The onus is on the consumer to decide whether this product fits their usage requirements. Some will like it, some won't. But that won't stop Apple from advertising.
  • Requested amendments and software changes can increase the functionality of the iPad Pro without hampering or changing the identity of the iPad Pro i.e for those who prefer the iPad Pro as it is, can still enjoy it as it is. No one is "forcing" you to change.

Again, if you read, I never mentioned "not liking Apple's trade-offs". I am a happy iPad Pro owner. I just cannot fathom the delusional and uneducated nature of said "fans" who don't understand Apple's marketing strategy.
 
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Again, let me dumb it down:

Which it is. It is just not a Windows computer, or a Linux Computer, or a macOS computer.

Since this is a point you keep raising, let me ask you to clarify your concern. Is it your argument that the iPad is not a computer? Is it that you believe that for the vast majority of people who use a laptop for work, the iPad Pro is not a suitable machine? Is it that you believe these ads are trying to mislead people into buying something that is not suitable for them? What exactly is your concern about Apple encouraging people who would have bought a macOS or Windows computer to consider an iPad Pro as an alternative?

From the article you reference above:
This new ad takes a different tack, declaring that the iPad Pro is a computer capable of streaming vivid movies, producing music, and running Photoshop.

Absolutely true statements. Adobe even thinks it is more than capable of running the full version of Photoshop, as it is, without major changes.

From the same article:

But even if Apple wants to make us believe it, love it, and just get it, there are many areas where the iPad Pro still falls short compared to a laptop: you can’t use external storage over USB-C, and you can’t open multiple browser windows to be displayed at once, just to name a couple examples. And until those limitations are lifted, we’re likely to keep having this argument.

Aside from the obvious factual error in the quote (one can have two browser windows displayed at once), the problem with the rest of the quote is the presumption that the things that the iPad Pro lacks are things that average users need to get their day to day work done. While exchanging files on USB sticks was common years ago (and may still be common for some today), most people with whom I collaborate exchange files using Box, Dropbox, or Google Drive.


  • It is marketed as such so that consumers can visualize an association between a product that they are familiar with and the product that Apple is offering.

It is being marketed by showing functions for which people use Windows and macOS computers being performed on an iPad Pro, as well as by saying that its hardware is faster than many of the Windows or macOS computers people might consider to perform those same tasks.

  • Why? Because Apple wants to sell their products to a wider audience i.e not just a "tablet" audience, not just a "netbook" audience etc

This marketing campaign is designed to get people who would not have considered an iPad Pro because they think they need a “computer” to consider one. This campaign is very similar to those Apple used to run trying to get people to consider macOS instead of Windows.

To use Steve Jobs’s car/truck analogy, assume that, up until now, everyone who had a vehicle for work had a box truck. Most people just drove back and forth to work in the truck, sometimes stopping to buy groceries or clothes enroute.

Now someone creates a new vehicle - a 4-door convertible. To market it, they run ads showing people going to work (but with the top down), they show people buying groceries and clothes and putting them in the car. They also show people driving along the ocean in the summer with the top down. The ad says: “This is your next vehicle!”

  • The onus is on the consumer to decide whether this product fits their usage requirements. Some will like it, some won't. But that won't stop Apple from advertising.

The onus is always on the consumer to decide if a product meets his or her needs. Apple Store Associates are not on commission. Their goal is to make sure customers get a product that meets their needs. I have listened to people who came to buy iPad Pros were encouraged to get macOS systems (and occasionally Windows computers), because that is what would meet their needs.

  • Requested amendments and software changes can increase the functionality of the iPad Pro without hampering or changing the identity of the iPad Pro i.e for those who prefer the iPad Pro as it is, can still enjoy it as it is. No one is "forcing" you to change.

Some of the changes (like supporting external storage), can (and almost certainly will) be added without a negative impact on the current iPad Pro experience. Some changes (like more aggressive multi-tasking) are more likely to have more serious trade-offs. The point that many others and I are making is simple - we are not opposed to adding functionality, as long as the things that make an iPad attractive to us for our uses are not harmed.

Again, if you read, I never mentioned "not liking Apple's trade-offs". I am a happy iPad Pro owner. I just cannot fathom the delusional and uneducated nature of said "fans" who don't understand Apple's marketing strategy.

My understanding of their marketing strategy is pretty clear - get people who would normally just buy the next version of the machine they have to consider the iPad Pro as an alternative. What is not clear to me, is what you think they are doing that is inappropriate, and why many of the people who dislike these ads seem to feel that no one who is a professional could possibly use an iPad or iPad Pro as a primary portable work machine.
 
What exactly is your concern about Apple encouraging people who would have bought a macOS or Windows computer to consider an iPad Pro as an alternative?

My qualm isn't with Apple, I expect them to market their products which best serves their bottom line. Utilising the nuance of "computers" allows them to target a wider audience. In doing so, Apple is targeting an audience, of which only a marginal number will deem an iPad Pro to be suitable for their needs.

You have already accepted this premise, so I am not sure why you are asking the same repetitive question.

And with this, you are again missing the point of my post and changing its narrative.

My post was in relation to a poster who believes that Apple are not marketing the iPad Pro as a computer, which they clearly are, as evidenced by my earlier sources.

Nothing further needs to be said.
 
My qualm isn't with Apple, I expect them to market their products which best serves their bottom line. Utilising the nuance of "computers" allows them to target a wider audience. In doing so, Apple is targeting an audience, of which only a marginal number will deem an iPad Pro to be suitable for their needs.


This is where we fundamentally disagree. I think that a very large part of that audience will find the the iPad to be suitable for their needs, and they will be much happier with an iPad than with many other ”computer” options.
 
This is where we fundamentally disagree. I think that a very large part of that audience will find the the iPad to be suitable for their needs, and they will be much happier with an iPad than with many other ”computer” options.
For probably 90% of people an iPad will do all they require as their ‘computer’
 
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