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Apple Shares New Videos Highlighting What iPad Pro Can Do

Jonathantuba said:
I do think the iPad Pro is the future and as the software improves, will become the computer device for most people.
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yeah, "locked down & dumbed down" (@atp.fm) is the way forward for the masses...
(dinos will have to do with surfing in the terminal, I guess)
 
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Steve121178 said:
The iPad can do 90% of what my iPhone can do, but 10% of what my Mac can do.

Apple has crippled the iPad with a terrible restrictive OS. Until it's opened up, the iPad will just be a giant iPhone.
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I do wonder making statements like that, you actually have bothered to learn all the capabilities of the iPad Pro? There are a few software limitations, but the iPad Pro can easily do 95% of what the most computer users need to do - and some things better than a Mac, or iPhone (e.g. annotating a document). Obviously a high percentage of people on this forum have a specialist requirement which the iPad does not provide. They are the people needing ‘trucks’ that Jobs talked about - so if that is you, use a Mac - no problem. Use what you find the best tool for your job.
 
One would think that with hundred of millions iOS devices out there with the operating system in its 12th incarnation, people would have already found out by themselves and made their conscious choice, if they could use the iPad as a professional tool or not. No ads or arguments required.
 
entropi said:
yeah, "locked down & dumbed down" (@atp.fm) is the way forward for the masses...
(dinos will have to do with surfing in the terminal, I guess)
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You don’t miss what you don’t need. If all someone needs a PC for is to access the internet, and if an iPad allows him to do the same thing without having to contend with the complexities of a desktop operating system, what’s so bad about that?
 
Jonathantuba said:
I do wonder making statements like that, you actually have bothered to learn all the capabilities of the iPad Pro? There are a few software limitations, but the iPad Pro can easily do 95% of what the most computer users need to do - and some things better than a Mac, or iPhone (e.g. annotating a document). Obviously a high percentage of people on this forum have a specialist requirement which the iPad does not provide. They are the people needing ‘trucks’ that Jobs talked about - so if that is you, use a Mac - no problem. Use what you find the best tool for your job.
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I think you are correct in that the iPad Pro can do a lot of what most people do on a daily basis. My iPad Pro is the first thing i reach for when drawing, editing photos in Pixelmator Pro and wanting to take hand written notes. From the rumours so far it seems like IOS 13 will improve on the software side, especially with multitasking :)

I do also like to use Mac, that's because i love MacOS, it's a brilliant operating system. I do find that the Mac and iPad Pro work well together, for example right click on the mouse and you can import a photo from the iPad or iPhone, it's a really handy feature to have.
 
Jonathantuba said:
I do wonder making statements like that, you actually have bothered to learn all the capabilities of the iPad Pro? There are a few software limitations, but the iPad Pro can easily do 95% of what the most computer users need to do - and some things better than a Mac, or iPhone (e.g. annotating a document). Obviously a high percentage of people on this forum have a specialist requirement which the iPad does not provide. They are the people needing ‘trucks’ that Jobs talked about - so if that is you, use a Mac - no problem. Use what you find the best tool for your job.
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Compare an iPad Pro to a Surface Pro. Which one has compromises? Hint: It's not the Surface. The Surface allows the user to use the tablet as if it was a standard notebook PC. The Surface does not demand the user make significant compromises to get things done. The Surface does not make life difficult like the iPad does.

The iPad was supposed to be a PC replacement according to Apple but doesn't do 90% of what a PC can do. There's not even a proper file manager! We've been saying this since the iPad launched!

iOS on iPad is still as gimped as it was on day one. Yes, there's a little bit of garnish & the ability to do things that you couldn't a few years ago but the iPad is still essentially a giant iPhone.

I own a Surface & iPad Pro so I can see for myself what compromises I need to make in order to get things done on the iPad. It's so frustrating as it's literally just the OS which is holding the iPad back.
 
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Abazigal said:
You don’t miss what you don’t need. If all someone needs a PC for is to access the internet, and if an iPad allows him to do the same thing without having to contend with the complexities of a desktop operating system, what’s so bad about that?
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Fair point .

Let's just agree that an iPad is severely limited compared to a PC with a desktop OS, and its users won't be able to develop their computing skills beyond a fairly low ceiling .
 
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Steve121178 said:
There's not even a proper file manager!
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The Files app is ok, and a LOT better than the old iCloud Drive. However, there are some easy fixes:
  • The favorites stick
  • Be able to set certain folders to download everything locally
  • Understand external drives.
  • Tabs as a bonus.
There are a lot of power-user file management features that either most people don't need, or don't need all the time. I do agree, though, the file management is the free bingo space when it comes to iOS.
 
barmann said:
Fair point .

Let's just agree that an iPad is severely limited compared to a PC with a desktop OS, and its users won't be able to develop their computing skills beyond a fairly low ceiling .
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I agree, and that’s what I love about my iPad.

I have the 11” iPad Pro as a complement to my 27” iMac, and they work great together. In my opinion, the iPad doesn’t need to replace a PC, because that’s what my PC is for.

This in turn frees up my iPad to excel in its own way, without being encumbered by the need to replicate PC functionality. You heard me. For the stuff I use my iPad for, a desktop OS is an impediment, not a benefit.

And that’s what really matters at the end of the day. I mean, so I don’t get to build up my computing skills by using an iPad over a PC.

And I guess my point is “so?” You make it out to be such a huge deal, and I guess I am just not seeing the importance or the relevance.
 
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Ha! I just would like AirDrop to work consistently, so I can AirDrop my videos from my iPhone to iPad for editing. At least 90% of time AirDrop says it completes, but the videos are not to be found in my library. Apple makes it very challenging to be productive on an iPad.
 
Gogeta-Blue said:
yes me too , when I'm at home using my wifi router, but what happens when a person has a data plan on their device and you are not at home or your residential internet is down, then you will have to use your device data plan and your gigs are going to run out very quickly, what happens after you used all your gigs from your data plan, isn't much easier just to copy the data to an external device, at least give the option so we can use it when we don't have any other option, is not like the person will use only usb or SD all the time, give the user the freedom to choose between many options, but apple only gives you an option, their way or the highway
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I have had an iPad data plan longer than I have had an iPad (knew that AT&T was going to end their unlimited plan before I was ready to get my iPad, so borrowed a friend’s, got a SIM from AT&T and signed up) - so just about 7 years. I have never, run out of data, transferring files to it. Your scenario is completely artificial, however, if this is a situation that is common in your world, I suggest you invest in a myPassport Wireless, which would directly solve your problem.

Given that Apple sells this, I would not be surprised to see them add support for external media at some point, and it would not bother me at all. The difference between us, is that in the 6 years and 9 months I have had an iPad of some form or another, I cannot remember any case where I needed to access external media and was not able to do so (not saying it never happened, just that it was so rare as to not be important), while it seems to be a primary use case for you.

I travel a lot (over 3 million actual, butt-in-seat miles on United, around a million on American, and lots more on other carriers). I used to carry 2 or 3 external drives with movies, TV shows and music I might want to consume on my flights, as well as copies of all my data from my Mac Pro at home. Thanks to iTunes re-download (“iTunes in the Cloud”), Dropbox, iCloud Drive and cellular/LTE connectivity on my iPads, I found myself using my external drives less and less. It got to be more hassle to keep them up to date and I decided to drop some weight and leave them behind.

I completely understand that not everyone’s use case and work flow is the same as mine, but I think the number of people who use a computer for work who need the capabilities on which you seem to be completely reliant, is a very small percentage of the number of users. There are still things that I find I prefer doing on my Mac desktop (although there are fewer and fewer of them), and they are mostly because of screen real estate (I have at least two displays on almost all of my Macs).
 
I got all fired up after watching the Life on iPad video. I connected my iPad Pro to my LG Ultrafine 5K Display and waited on the magic to happen. Alas, it wasn't meant to be. Oh the subtleties of technology when coupled with a misinformed consumer. "Next time Gadget, next time"
 
Stella said:
Who said that data on that external storage was put there by me?

Someone else has prepared some data for me on external storage that I need to transfer over to iPad.

No PC around, oh, wait: I can't. This is not an uncommon scenario either.

iOS / iPad can very well support external storage like this, but Apple chose not to because they want people to buy more expensive iPads that have greater storage capacity, which means more $$$$.
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It’s not ever been a capability of the iPad, so in your scenario if you should have communicated that to the supplier of data so they can either provide it by another means. Not uncommon? As it’s not a function if you find it a common occurrence I suggest an iPad is not for you. Either way, no point getting hysterical about it.

If Apple does add support for external drives the issue will be which file systems are supported as it will likely end up the same as the Mac and only have read access to ntfs, which will upset windows iPad owners. I think this is the likely reason that Apple has been slow to adopt storage access other than camera formatted media and allowing 3rd parties to build apps to access their storage devices.
 
Another person who doesn't *get it*.

Apple "Whats a computer". Apple want to make iPad a replacement for the PC, but its not going to be until you can perform *basic* functions.

AS the iPads stands now, it's suitable as a media consumption device, arty farty work, and a credit / debit checkout.

It doesn't take much effort to support multiple file systems.

Marshall73 said:
It’s not ever been a capability of the iPad, so in your scenario if you should have communicated that to the supplier of data so they can either provide it by another means. Not uncommon? As it’s not a function if you find it a common occurrence I suggest an iPad is not for you. Either way, no point getting hysterical about it.
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Just got a 10.5 Pro a few weeks ago with the pencil and the keyboard. My main beef is not with iOS but the fact that the software I use still often feels less than pro, meaning strange bugs or complications while doing quite basic stuff (like opening files in Final Draft crashing the app, doing email stuff with Airmail). And text editing without mouse input is still not great; selecting something or placing the cursor takes often several attempts.

Some of this can also happen on a mac, but somehow it is easier to find a workaround or fix there.

Because iOS is quite simplistic or minimal (by design), if something doesn’t go as planned, it just makes your head hurt. I dont want support for external drives or direct access to file system. I just want more mature software!

Using an iPad like in the ads would mean a perfect execution of a perfect workflow (with some luck added in there). I love the iPad (and have used one frequently from day one and done a lot of work on it), but it’s still so frustrating at times because of software and not just the iOS. And the “pro” doesn’t change much here.
 
Abazigal said:
I agree, and that’s what I love about my iPad.

I have the 11” iPad Pro as a complement to my 27” iMac, and they work great together. In my opinion, the iPad doesn’t need to replace a PC, because that’s what my PC is for.

This in turn frees up my iPad to excel in its own way, without being encumbered by the need to replicate PC functionality. You heard me. For the stuff I use my iPad for, a desktop OS is an impediment, not a benefit.

And that’s what really matters at the end of the day. I mean, so I don’t get to build up my computing skills by using an iPad over a PC.

And I guess my point is “so?” You make it out to be such a huge deal, and I guess I am just not seeing the importance or the relevance.
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I can see how your iMac/iPad solution works for you , and could for most people .
How a dektop OS can be less funktional in any respect than a mobile OS I don't understand at all though .
Maybe it's due to just fingers being used on a tablet instead of proper input devices , that gives the more rudimental interface appeal .

My earlier comment was aimed at iPad users who claim a tablet can make a valid replacement for a computer .
And it just can't .
 
Stella said:
Who said that data on that external storage was put there by me?

Someone else has prepared some data for me on external storage that I need to transfer over to iPad.
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Your laptop/desktop has every kind of storage interface? You have CFast 2, SD, XD, MemoryStick, Compact Flash, Codex and Red cartridges? You can read every file system (ZFS, EXT, BTFS, NTFS, FAT16, FAT32, exFAT, HFS, HFS+, etc.)? You can read every file format? Is it a common occurrence for people to expect you to be able to read media without talking to you first?

Seems like an odd workflow.

No PC around, oh, wait: I can't. This is not an uncommon scenario either.
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Not sure where you work or what you do, but many of the companies with which I interact prohibit (and lock down to prevent) the attachment of external media. In my world (content creation and defense) the idea that someone would walk in with a drive without having discussed it first is incomprehensible.

I have used my iPad as my primary device for meetings since my first one in 2012, and my primary portable device since my iPad Pro 10.5” a year and a half ago and I have never encountered this. Maybe you should communicate with your coworker/clients better.

iOS / iPad can very well support external storage like this, but Apple chose not to because they want people to buy more expensive iPads that have greater storage capacity, which means more $$$$.
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It is certainly possible (likely even) that Apple with eventually offer more support for external storage. However, even if they do, almost no one will use it as a primary storage. Meaning they will not lose an appreciable amount revenue to people using external storage rather than buying more internal storage. I would bet that they have not implemented it yet because, in their research, it is just not that important to most users.
 
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barmann said:
I can see how your iMac/iPad solution works for you , and could for most people .
How a dektop OS can be less funktional in any respect than a mobile OS I don't understand at all though .
Maybe it's due to just fingers being used on a tablet instead of proper input devices , that gives the more rudimental interface appeal .

My earlier comment was aimed at iPad users who claim a tablet can make a valid replacement for a computer .
And it just can't .
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For much of the stuff I do, an iPad is just faster and more accessible.

For example, I was marking my work at my desk last night. Logging in was as straightforward as tapping on the space bar twice. My iPad had notability with the solutions open, with overcast or Apple Music open by the side. From time to time, I would be responding to emails and texts. And then when I need a break, I just detach the iPad from the Smart Keyboard with a tug and walk around.

I don’t know if it’s because iOS is based on touch, or if the apps are simpler, or some other factors. Using an iPad for work simply feels more intimate.

In class, my iPad is mirrored to my Apple TV and I annotate on pdf documents in notability. I am also experimenting with the shortcuts app to automate certain more cumbersome tasks (recently created one that let me convert HEIC photos to JPG and upload them to google drive).

I also use my iPad for entertainment like gaming and browsing the web / watching video. Reddit is faster and smoother in Apollo than via the safari browser on my Mac.

While I do go back to my Mac for stuff like word processing or google docs where a larger screen is simply more desirable, my iPad simply sees more use in terms of raw hours, because it’s just more convenient accessible.

None of this is exactly very complicated stuff, and you may all scoff at the “work” that I do on a PC, and that’s the whole point. A lot of people just can’t seem to see past their own nose. "Productivity" is often limited to programming, excel, and CAD, as if no other type of profession or use case exists.

Just like how I opted for Airpods because I valued convenience and ease of use over sound quality, so too do I favour the iPad (for the work that I can get done on it at any rate; I may be an iPad enthusiast but I am not a masochist) for the same reasons.
 
Stella said:
Another person who doesn't *get it*.

Apple "Whats a computer". Apple want to make iPad a replacement for the PC, but its not going to be until you can perform *basic* functions.

AS the iPads stands now, it's suitable as a media consumption device, arty farty work, and a credit / debit checkout.

It doesn't take much effort to support multiple file systems.
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I do get it and I have been using iPads for 7 years and have had no issues doing a days work on the iPad. Would direct storage be a major plus? yes it would, but because Apple have not built that out yet I work with all of my files in Dropbox, Onedrive and iCloud. I can VPN to client sites, manage and control networks via the iPad and sometimes it is quicker and more convenient to use the iPad than to get my MacBook Pro out.

The iPad is definitely not as versatile as a desktop or laptop but for a lot of people it is more than capable of being their primary device. For others it is a complimentary device or can stand in for the main device when required.

If accessing file systems is easy to do then why does macOS still only have read only access to NTFS (without using flakey 3rd party solutions) and what magic bullet are Apple going to deploy to solve this on iPad?
 
sorry but anyone who said that their iPad is faster than their desktop computer
either has a slow machine or has never experience true extreme performance

maybe is just a matter of taste and some people might feel more confortable than others using their prefer device
if you run some benchmarks there are some Macs that perform just like iPhones or iPads or probably even less
but there are some other pro devices like the iMac Pro that I'm sure it has to be faster than the iPad or iPad Pro

while the single core score might be close in some cases
there is no way an iPad can beat a multicore processor
something like 16 cores or even more
I will smoke any iPad in rendering just because all the extra cores
just my CPU cost more than the iPad Pro , lol
not to mentioned DDR4 4000 , two high points ssd7102 with 8 samsung 970 Pro in raid0 hitting over 20 GBPS
did I forgot to mentioned the graphic card
there is no way in hell that the iPad or iPad Pro or any iOS device can beat a computer like that
and there are people who has even better computers

yes the iPad is good, it offers pretty good performance
reasonable
but it will never beat an extreme system
why you think many people build hackintosh?
while some people do it to save money , others like me don't care about money, they simply build a monster pc that is comparable with Mac OS and you can run Mac OS at light speed with super fast extreme performance

can you run a cinebench benchmark, geekbench benchmark and an Ajax system benchmark
I will love to see those numbers then I will show you mines

I do have an iPhone and an iPad but I only use them for regular task
I do all my job in my computer because everything is faster

to be honest my 2017 iPad I just use it as a screen for my phantom 4 pro remote controller
that is the only reason why I bought that iPad, I use it sometimes just like I do with my phone
but for some reason I don't feel very comfortable
maybe is because I love Mac OS more than iOS , who knows

anyway
regards
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Alan Wynn said:
I think you mean to end that sentence “for me.”
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if you really believe that it does, then good for you
so what you're saying is that "for you" an iPad can replace a desktop computer
maybe you don't like computers
maybe you don't know what a real computer is
maybe you have a slow computer and that's why you feel that way
unless you have at least an iMac Pro then you would not know
but I have a hackintosh that is even faster than an iMac Pro

now seriously,
there are some people that like devices and don't like computers that much
there are people who likes iOS and don't like Mac OS that much

I don't know your category but I know mines

in my case
I like computers , fast computers, extreme systems
I don't like devices, they are all right for a few things but it doesn't matter what anyone says "for me" they are not fast enough

I like Mac OS , I also like iOS but I prefer to use my computer with Mac OS
I'm a computer man , not a device guy or a teenager
many guys who think and swear they are mens, they really don't know how feminine they look
doing things like girls with their phones
sorry but my manhood doesn't allow me to do none of that
I like my bada$$ tough man attitude

peace
 
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