Nope, sexuality is not a choice. If it is, then tell us all about the time when you chose to be heterosexual, I'd love to hear that. Go ahead.
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Nope, sexuality is not a choice. If it is, then tell us all about the time when you chose to be heterosexual, I'd love to hear that. Go ahead.
It's cause I know that life in Heaven (apart from sin) is far better then anything here. But while I'm here and as long as God gives me breath I will proclaim the truth in love. I know many of you don't agree with the Bible and that's the way it is. But I'm just exercising my freedoms just like you so long as I may have them.
Lots of documented homosexuality in the animal kingdom. Many animals are highly indiscriminate about where they put their junk.
Thank you for not being American. Our image has already taken a beating in regards to civil rights and religious fundamentalism and posts like yours help demonstrate that ignorance isn't isolated to the states.
Ok. You seem to disagree respectfully. Which is, frankly, refreshing. I will attempt to follow your lead and be respectful. I read you 5 questions, and I have 5 questions for you as a person who believes the Bible is the word of God.
1. Are you married? Did your father buy you a nice wife? Is she always obedient? (Or conversely, did your father sell you a to a nice man?)
2. The Bible says that when a woman is raped her father is to negotiate a marriage contract with the rapist. (At a discount of course since she's damaged goods). Do you agree this should be the norm?
3. Do you have children? I do, I have a five-year-old daughter who threw a fit yesterday and wouldn't listen to my commands. As you know the Bible commands me to tie her to a tree in stone her, I opted instead for time out. Do you believe parents should stone their children?
4. Do you own slaves? God is very supportive of the ownership of other people, if fact he even has rules as to how much you should beat your slaves. SPOILER ALERT: you shouldn't beat them so much they can't work the next day.
5. Do you pick and choose what you believe in the Bible? Or do you:
- think that men should never cut their beards
- always cover your head and refused to wear clothes that it been dyed
- believe that anyone who's ever eaten in a red lobster was going to hell. (I do believe this, but for different reasons)
- believe anyone with a tattoo is going straight to hell.
- Bacon equals hell
Listen, I'm not trying to pick on you. But people have hid behind the Bible during every major civil rights battle of the modern era. People argued that we can't end slavery, or allow women to vote, have basic civil rights and interracial marriage because of God.
I find it hypocritical. You said in your post that you just didn't want the gay agenda forced upon you. But you do wish to force your agenda on gays. Listen, my state has had gay marriage for over a year now and my heterosexual marriage has been affected in no way.
Oh. And I see you think that people aren't born gay, maybe it would help us all understand better if you talked about when you chose to be straight. Did you make a pros and cons list? Was it a hard choice? Or is it possible that you where you just always attracted to members of the opposite sex?
Sounds like a very convenient justification you've created for yourself. Like I said: God will provide, but not enough so you'll skirt the issue and extoll your religious beliefs right up to the point that it becomes inconvenient/uncomfortable, enjoying the fruits of the labor of the sinners you sit in judgment of.
Yeah, the Anthropic Principle would like a word with you.
And who says it's YOUR God, the war god of the Canaanite pantheon? I personally think it was the Great Invisible Pink Unicorn.
You're right. I did not "choose" to be heterosexual. But people do choose to be homosexual just like someone chooses to murder, rape, steal, lie, cheat, etc, etc, etc. By choosing to go against the natural desire for the opposite sex that God has instilled you are sinning. And unless a sinner of any kind comes to saving faith in Jesus they will go to hell. I deserve hell just as much as the next guy. But I believe I am going to Heaven purely by the love, grace and mercy of Jesus taking my place on the cross and providing THE way of salvation (John 14:6)
Yup, gay behavior is seen in pretty much every mammal species.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals#Mammals
Bible literalists don't make any sense to any sort of reasonable person. So which translation is the word of god? How come so much of its has been striken from canon? How come there are so many contradictions all over the multiple texts?
If you believe in the literal Adam, Eve, Noah stories, there is no way you can be considered even slightly sound of mind, and your opinions on everything regarding other people should be questioned profusely, as people here are doing.
Take it back to the original texts and there is absolutely no consensus on things like "sodomy" - you just pick and choose which set of beliefs you want to go by and ignore the rest. Presumably you wear mixed fabrics, eat all different types of banned foods etc.. Disgusting, hypocritical hate mongering bible literalism.
Funny how this only works one way. Anyone from this community is open to parade their beliefs and thoughts but say some CEO donates to a christian group or organization because he has a different set of beliefs against such groups.... the public outcry to remove him for his job, publically attack him is the first thing these types of groups do. What I believe and do with my money is my own ****ing business. Just as they spend, support and do things to support their way of life. They put on a good show of "love everyone" but behind their computer screens and closed doors they turn the same hate and ******** against anyone that doesn't 100% believe what they do. These types (religious, political or otherwise) of groups it turns into mob mentality of "either accept what we believe or we will attack you." These people are not by any means the victims, they are the aggressors.
We no longer have freedom of speech in America unless you tie yourself some some extreme group that will have a **** fit if you don't believe in "their" belief. Bunch of hypocrites. I can be tolerant without accepting their belief, but that is never good enough for these kinds of organizations. The basic reason why war has raged on the earth for thousands of years. Tolerance is not good enough for so many people, they want to convert you 100% or kill you.
Okay so what do you suggest? You claim that "God will provide" yet you also are using a computer or smartphone sold by an LGBT advocating company to interact with people here. What does that make you?
To clarify, is there a part in the bible where God said that being homosexual is a choice (because there isn't a gene for it), or is that part of the truth in love something that you came up with on your own?
Using that logic, you have the ability to make a choice in which gender arouses your genitalia. And I think deep down inside, you know that's not true.
There will be no need for that. Every Christian will see Him face to face. The best way to communicate with our Creator.
Or maybe he's totally straight and he just has zero issue with other people being gay, Hispanic, Asian, short, fat, female or any other group that folks like to dump on.
Just because you are a single male with no apparent girlfriend and you're gay friendly doesn't mean you are gay. Consider how hypocritical it would be for him to be gay and not 'out' and yet marching in a parade like this. He's the figurehead of Apple. He might not be the rock star that Steve was but it would still be a huge PR flub to not be "a proud gay man supporting the rights of fellow LGBT" if that was the case.
Did......did you just liken a homosexual to a rapist !!??
I likened a sin to a sin.
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as a gay fan of Apple's products, thank you Apple for doing this and standing beside us!
lol agree -
but the pink penny makes smart financial sense -
Freedom of speech does not equal freedom from the consequences of that speech. Know the difference.
I'm an atheist, so I'm not disregarding my own beliefs for the sake of convenience like you are.
Why ask for my suggestion when Jesus already gave you one: sell your possessions, give what you have to the poor, and follow him. God will provide everything you need.
EDIT: Oh, and I didn't claim that God will provide, the Bible does.
But there is no 'neutral' in this argument.
Taking that position would be the same as saying they are neutral on racism, or saying to their customers go ahead beat up your wives, we won't judge.
Hate speech is just wrong and opposing it is exactly the right thing for Apple's image. It's also the winning side of the argument... and if you want to be cynical about it... very smart marketing.
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