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Guys do you really need to argue everything. They did a nice thing just enjoy the video for what it is.

Yes they do.

You'll learn that that is common around here. Everyone is an armchair expert on everything. And since no one has had the betas long enough to have something to rant and debate about this wins
 
Yes it does. I could get fired from my workplace at private a Christian college for being gay.

Yeah, but you have to understand that what you just said is like saying "I could get fired from my workplace at an elementary school for being a pedophile." Not equating being gay with being a pedophile. If you think that you've missed the point. It's that your sexual orientation undermines the entire organization's belief, code of ethics, and their standing within their community. It goes against everything they are striving for. If you can't abide by their ethics, then you have no business working there as they are a religious organization. Why would you want to work for a group that is actively working against what you believe is right?

I still don't know why government is involved in marriage at all. I've previously proposed what is probably the best solution: Bring marriage back as a religious institution only, and the government will only recognize everyone as partners. Everyone gets the same healthcare and tax benefits, but religious connotations (marriage and the ceremony, traditions, beliefs behind it) are left to churches. That way gays can go to their gay churches (my wife's gay uncle goes to a gay church so they exist) and people who believe otherwise can wash their hands of it because their country isn't condoning gay marriage, just benefits which aren't tied to any one religious persuasion. Just like drunks, those who commit adultery, and liers (which is a sin just like everything else) still get benefits from the government. You wouldn't say that the government is actively supporting those sins because they get benefits and tax breaks like everyone else. Let the gays sin, and leave it up to them and God. And I know for a fact that the issue most Christians have with gay marriage is that it's called "marriage", which they believe is a religious ceremony that is described in the Bible as between a man and a woman. At least at the church I go to we are taught to love all sinners because we all sin and have our own temptations. But no sin is condoned, we can only help each other to be better people.
 
Or maybe he's totally straight and he just has zero issue with other people being gay, Hispanic, Asian, short, fat, female or any other group that folks like to dump on.

Just because you are a single male with no apparent girlfriend and you're gay friendly doesn't mean you are gay.

Agree with you 100%

Consider how hypocritical it would be for him to be gay and not 'out' and yet marching in a parade like this. He's the figurehead of Apple. He might not be the rock star that Steve was but it would still be a huge PR flub to not be "a proud gay man supporting the rights of fellow LGBT" if that was the case.

Hypocritical :eek:
-If Tim is gay - coming out should be his decision and he should not be coerced to come out because of others' expectation.

-He may have deep personal reasons for not wanting to disclose his sexuality - thats fine; ultimately it is his life and thus his decision.

-He can remain silent on his personal life without being a hypocrite, not all gays run around mincing and screaming in hot pants and pink T's! :p
 
Yes Atheists take the p*ss for Christians believing in fairy tales and nonsense (although I feel sorry for most as they're brainwashed on it as kids and that crap is in deep)

But I think you'll find, that Christianity is the most powerful and popular religion in the world, it covers the majority of the globe and in the western world you're hardly an oppressed minority as a Christian are you, you're not routinely turned down work, beat up on the street or bullied at school, I mean FFS think about what you're actually claiming before you spout such utter nonsense. The reason Atheists have such a pop is because you're the powerful mainstream, it would be popular to spend your time bullying an oppressed minority all day like the LGB community.

Not here to argue with you; I was simply responding to correct your assertion that Christians face no opposition. That's all.
 
You're right. I did not "choose" to be heterosexual. But people do choose to be homosexual just like someone chooses to murder, rape, steal, lie, cheat, etc, etc, etc. By choosing to go against the natural desire for the opposite sex that God has instilled you are sinning. And unless a sinner of any kind comes to saving faith in Jesus they will go to hell. I deserve hell just as much as the next guy. But I believe I am going to Heaven purely by the love, grace and mercy of Jesus taking my place on the cross and providing THE way of salvation (John 14:6)
Gay people aren't going against their natural desires. The only thing they're going against is outmoded belief systems like yours. They are attracted to the same sex. It's natural.

They aren't going to hell and the majority aren't worried that you believe in it because that's absolutely ******* insane. Of all of gods inventions.. Eternal punishment for anyone who doesnt follow his strict, unwavering and often perculiar (to a specific time and place) rules? Feeling the love there.

What happens to the billions of people throughout history who've never come into contact with christianity at all?
 
It is better to present the Gospel in a "friendly, loving way, so people feel they can ask questions, learn, and over time build a relationship with God". But I can't convert anyone. I can only "plant seeds". It's God who waters them and makes them grow (brings them to faith in Jesus).

Okay.
 
Bring marriage back as a religious institution only, and the government will only recognize everyone as partners. Everyone gets the same healthcare and tax benefits, but religious connotations (marriage and the ceremony, traditions, beliefs behind it) are left to churches.
No way, because that implies that religion "owns" marriage in the US, the that the US Gov needs to "back off their turf".

In the US, marriage is a *strictly secular* institution. Getting married by a priest or rabbi or whatever has absolutely NO legal standing if you don't have a marriage license/cert from your state.

Marriage belongs to ALL people of ALL races, religions, and sexual orientations in the US. If religious people want a special "no gays allowed" marriage club, then THEY can come up with their own name (holy matrimony or something) for their legally-meaningless ceremony.
 
I'm an atheist, so I'm not disregarding my own beliefs for the sake of convenience like you are.

Why ask for my suggestion when Jesus already gave you one: sell your possessions, give what you have to the poor, and follow him. God will provide everything you need.

EDIT: Oh, and I didn't claim that God will provide, the Bible does.

Trust me God does provide. I'm not living in any sort of mansion or driving a fancy car (or any car for that matter). I take the city bus every day as many do. I had to save for a year for my MBP (2011) and I'm still on an iPhone 4S after jumping from the 3G. I popped an SSD in my MBP to make it last longer cause I can't afford a new one every iteration. I'm saving money by living with roomates. The little I have God has provided. And I'm thankful to Him for it. To be a Christian doesn't mean living "off the grid" in a forest going au natural.
 
*sigh*

Some people just don't get it.

Pride is not so much about the 'gay' issues anymore as it is about Equality and Inclusion for ALL.

Pride is about self pride and being happy with who YOU are.

As has been mentioned previously, there are usually more 'straight' people involved in pride than 'gay' people.

It's a Celebration, it's fun, it sends a positive message!

For those who don't like it: Get Over It. Pride isn't going away anytime soon.


Go Apple! :apple: :cool:
 
You're right. I did not "choose" to be heterosexual. But people do choose to be homosexual just like someone chooses to murder, rape, steal, lie, cheat, etc, etc, etc. By choosing to go against the natural desire for the opposite sex that God has instilled you are sinning. And unless a sinner of any kind comes to saving faith in Jesus they will go to hell. I deserve hell just as much as the next guy. But I believe I am going to Heaven purely by the love, grace and mercy of Jesus taking my place on the cross and providing THE way of salvation (John 14:6)


That doesn't make any sense. You're saying you CAN choose to be aroused/attracted to other men/women and be homosexual, but you can't choose to be heterosexual? So, all homosexuals are actually heterosexuals who have chosen (and somehow managed to) focus their sexual desire towards their own gender?? Huh..what!?
 
You're right. I did not "choose" to be heterosexual. But people do choose to be homosexual just like someone chooses to murder, rape, steal, lie, cheat, etc, etc, etc. By choosing to go against the natural desire for the opposite sex that God has instilled you are sinning. And unless a sinner of any kind comes to saving faith in Jesus they will go to hell. I deserve hell just as much as the next guy. But I believe I am going to Heaven purely by the love, grace and mercy of Jesus taking my place on the cross and providing THE way of salvation (John 14:6)

Is this the same loving Jesus and God that sends tornados and hurricanes to wipe out areas of supposed sinners?
 
Yeah, but you have to understand that what you just said is like saying "I could get fired from my workplace at an elementary school for being a pedophile." Not equating being gay with being a pedophile. If you think that you've missed the point. It's that your sexual orientation undermines the entire organization's belief, code of ethics, and their standing within their community. It goes against everything they are striving for. If you can't abide by their ethics, then you have no business working there as they are a religious organization. Why would you want to work for a group that is actively working against what you believe is right?

I still don't know why government is involved in marriage at all. I've previously proposed what is probably the best solution: Bring marriage back as a religious institution only, and the government will only recognize everyone as partners. Everyone gets the same healthcare and tax benefits, but religious connotations (marriage and the ceremony, traditions, beliefs behind it) are left to churches. That way gays can go to their gay churches (my wife's gay uncle goes to a gay church so they exist) and people who believe otherwise can wash their hands of it because their country isn't condoning gay marriage, just benefits which aren't tied to any one religious persuasion. Just like drunks, those who commit adultery, and liers (which is a sin just like everything else) still get benefits from the government. You wouldn't say that the government is actively supporting those sins because they get benefits and tax breaks like everyone else. Let the gays sin, and leave it up to them and God. And I know for a fact that the issue most Christians have with gay marriage is that it's called "marriage", which they believe is a religious ceremony that is described in the Bible as between a man and a woman. At least at the church I go to we are taught to love all sinners because we all sin and have our own temptations. But no sin is condoned, we can only help each other to be better people.

Agreed!
 
That doesn't make any sense. You're saying you CAN choose to be aroused/attracted to other men/women and be homosexual, but you can't choose to be heterosexual? So, all homosexuals are actually heterosexuals who have chosen (and somehow managed to) focus their sexual desire towards their own gender?? Huh..what!?

Yes that's exactly what the Bible says.
 
Nope, it's a full-on, total choice.

Religion isn't a choice, you are taught to be religious from birth. By the time they have grown up, all concepts in a religious person's mind lead back to this notion of 'everything having to be controlled and created by a magical invisible man'.

This way of thinking makes absolutely no sense to me, as I wasn't indoctrinated in this way. My understanding of nature is based on what I can actually work out from studying nature, and everything I see contradicts the god concept.

It would be utterly impossible for me to choose to believe a religion was true, just as it would be impossible for an adult to choose to believe Santa Claus was real.

It just makes no logical sense without at least a little brainwashing to fix the idea of god in your head from an early age.
 
Ok. You seem to disagree respectfully. Which is, frankly, refreshing. I will attempt to follow your lead and be respectful. I read you 5 questions, and I have 5 questions for you as a person who believes the Bible is the word of God.

1. Are you married? Did your father buy you a nice wife? Is she always obedient? (Or conversely, did your father sell you a to a nice man?)

2. The Bible says that when a woman is raped her father is to negotiate a marriage contract with the rapist. (At a discount of course since she's damaged goods). Do you agree this should be the norm?

3. Do you have children? I do, I have a five-year-old daughter who threw a fit yesterday and wouldn't listen to my commands. As you know the Bible commands me to tie her to a tree in stone her, I opted instead for time out. Do you believe parents should stone their children?

4. Do you own slaves? God is very supportive of the ownership of other people, if fact he even has rules as to how much you should beat your slaves. SPOILER ALERT: you shouldn't beat them so much they can't work the next day.

5. Do you pick and choose what you believe in the Bible? Or do you:

- think that men should never cut their beards
- always cover your head and refused to wear clothes that it been dyed
- believe that anyone who's ever eaten in a red lobster was going to hell. (I do believe this, but for different reasons)
- believe anyone with a tattoo is going straight to hell.
- Bacon equals hell

Listen, I'm not trying to pick on you. But people have hid behind the Bible during every major civil rights battle of the modern era. People argued that we can't end slavery, or allow women to vote, have basic civil rights and interracial marriage because of God.

I find it hypocritical. You said in your post that you just didn't want the gay agenda forced upon you. But you do wish to force your agenda on gays. Listen, my state has had gay marriage for over a year now and my heterosexual marriage has been affected in no way.

Oh. And I see you think that people aren't born gay, maybe it would help us all understand better if you talked about when you chose to be straight. Did you make a pros and cons list? Was it a hard choice? Or is it possible that you where you just always attracted to members of the opposite sex?


I tried not to jump in but this post is so absurd and it is the perfect picture of people claiming Biblical "truths" that are made up. I can't call you a liar unless you say you have read the Bible. You either have read the Bible and know these are lies you are spewing, or you have not read the Bible and are repeating someone elses falsehoods. I will assume the latter.

One more comment/analogy... If the sky is blue and you say it is green, i don't care. It is blue and has been since the beginning of time (as far as we know). You can call it green, it doesnt affect me. You say i have to call it green, then it does affect me. Marriage is betwwen a female and a male and it has been sine the beginnning of time ( as far as we know it ). You can call a union between a man and man a marriage and i don't care. If you say we ALL need to call it a marriage, then it does affect me. No one forces anything on you, but the agenda of the gay community is to force it on everyone else and not stop until we all confirm them.
 
Trust me God does provide. I'm not living in any sort of mansion or driving a fancy car (or any car for that matter). I take the city bus every day as many do. I had to save for a year for my MBP (2011) and I'm still on an iPhone 4S after jumping from the 3G. I popped an SSD in my MBP to make it last longer cause I can't afford a new one every iteration. I'm saving money by living with roomates. The little I have God has provided. And I'm thankful to Him for it. To be a Christian doesn't mean living "off the grid" in a forest going au natural.

The "little you have"...my god, what a narrow perspective you have. Compared to 99% of the world's population you are a very rich man. Too bad God doesn't provide as well for everyone as he has you...you must be highly regarded in his eyes.

I guess when you live surrounded by wealth and opulence all your life, it's easy to spout religious platitudes and feel good about yourself without actually having to suffer at all for it.
 
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