Seriously, SE2 with XR main camera - I would trade in my XR instantly.
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Apple Shipped an Estimated 36.4 Million iPhones Worldwide in Q1 2019, a 30% Year-Over-Year Decline
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Seriously, SE2 with XR main camera - I would trade in my XR instantly.
Ah I was looking at the pie chart and saw it was for revenue, not numbers sold lol!! So I was wrong. The Mac makes more money which is kinda obvious, and interesting as it’s not THAT far ahead of the iPad range... personally I love the new iPad Pro, don’t have one though.
Gravity is punishing!! When the downward trend is initially slow, they typically take it lightly and when the downward growth accelerates nothing can stop it from tanking....we have been seeing this forever. Now we are also consistently seeing attrition at executive level and important engineering functions as well. I think Apple stocks already peaked and many investors cleverly exited when Apple was showing misdirected sales figures....
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I'm not sure if this link will post. It's iPad vs Mac revenue
https://www.theatlas.com/charts/B14LQy-UG
Correct. I have considered getting a new macbook, but at can't bother at current pricing as I have a PC and iPad from work I can use.
They need to bring out:
- iPhone SE in a modern spec at around 450$.
- A 13" Macbook with good specs at around 800$
- Modernized iCloud-suite, services and interface
Huawei is no option regardless of what they make and cost.
A lot of people will go for lowest price hardware when choosing phone. This is even more true now that the smartphone market has plateaued and the cheaper segment is offering features that rival the higher end.
Apple knows this and is increasing their efforts in services; this way keep generating money without the need of having to “win” the battle of hardware numbers.
If anything they should’ve been some years earlier with all their services.
Apple knows this and is increasing their efforts in services; this way keep generating money without the need of having to “win” the battle of hardware numbers.
If anything they should’ve been some years earlier with all their services.
I think you have some great ideas but there are possible drawbacks. A $450 SE might cannibalize on iPhone 7 sales. I like the idea of a 13" MacBook but I'm not sure what you consider "good specs". it would have to be pretty basic AKA the old plastic Macbook. I would like to see an iCloud update as well.
Why is Huawei not an option? They make some nice phones and computers.
I read an article that Apple is number one in sales for phones over $450. I can't find the article now so I'm not calling this a fact till I can. The problem IMO is people are keeping more expensive phones longer.
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I like Android phones but I don't like how they're connected with Google. We all know what business Google is in and it's not selling phones. I don't think Apple is ripping anyone off but you're entitled to your opinion. Apple's hardware is more expensive but it comes with support that Android phones do not have. That costs money thus the higher price. I have a friend that loves Samsung even though she had to fight with her phone carrier to take back the Note 7. I like my iPhone because I can walk into an Apple store and get support right then and there.
The $1,000 X they bought last year is the $1,000 XS this year—a better phone in almost every way. The price stayed exactly the same, but you get a much better phone.
Those who want the $699/$799 price point like 8/8 Plus still have the XR.
For the first time ever I don't see a newer phone that i want to have. I am satisfied with my iPhone 8 Plus, despite it being already my third due to two hardware issues and despite the ridiculously bad front camera, and i have no clue why i should upgrade to a 1300 euro phone. Also because the Apple trade-in deal only would offer me 240 euros for this iPhone, which is only 4 months old (since my last replacement). The iPhone XR is a downgrade screenwise and i am still not very into FaceID. So i don't expect to upgrade to any phone until 2020 or 2021, and with this failure rate of my iPhone 8 Plus i keep ketting a new one every 9 months
I don't buy an iPhone (or any phone) every year. I buy them every few years unless it breaks. Just because the 2019 model comes out doesn't mean you have to buy it. Car companies release new models every year but most people don't buy one every year. As to the $1,000 price sure it's expensive and not for everyone's budget or needs. This is why cheap Android phones will outsell iPhone.
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I guess it's a good thing you have an iPhone vs an Android because every time your phone "failed" you would be claiming it on insurance. I had my iPhone 7 Plus for over two years and would have kept it except the screen cracked. It still worked but the cracked screen was annoying. Just curious why is your 8 Plus failing so much? The XR is not a downgrade from the 8. I believed the "it's not 1080P" Android fanboy comments and bought the XS Max. After seeing it side by side with the XR and 8 Plus I wish I got the XR and saved the $$$. Not sure what you mean by you're "not into" FaceID? It's not like a club or anything you have to join. You look at the phone and it unlocks.For the first time ever I don't see a newer phone that i want to have. I am satisfied with my iPhone 8 Plus, despite it being already my third due to two hardware issues and despite the ridiculously bad front camera, and i have no clue why i should upgrade to a 1300 euro phone. Also because the Apple trade-in deal only would offer me 240 euros for this iPhone, which is only 4 months old (since my last replacement). The iPhone XR is a downgrade screenwise and i am still not very into FaceID. So i don't expect to upgrade to any phone until 2020 or 2021, and with this failure rate of my iPhone 8 Plus i keep ketting a new one every 9 months
Agree on every point. re: price, I really don’t understand why people are attributing the year-over-year drop to price. Just because Apple added a super big phone to the lineup for an extra $100? This year’s XR is the same price as last year’s 8/8 Plus; this year’s XS is the same price as last year’s X.
The drop in sales is attributable mostly to the fact that instead of buying a new phone every couple years, now it’s more like every 3-4 years. I bought the 4s in 2011, the 5s in 2013, and the 6s in 2015. I’m still using that 6s (original battery too, btw).
Apple saw this coming 4+ years ago and added a super-premium tier to keep revenue from falling off a cliff.
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Apple shipped an estimated 36.4 million iPhones worldwide during the first calendar quarter of 2019, which corresponds to Apple's second fiscal quarter, according to new estimates shared today by IDC.
If IDC is correct, it would mean an ASP of $853. I doubt that and I think the number of sold iPhones are a bit higher.
Wow I keep mine for a few years but a 6S from 2015? I'm way too rough on phones to keep them lasting that long. My brother has a 6S and I think it's about that old. Does it still work good for web browsing and playing videos. Do you have apps that won't work well with it?
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Apple no longer releases numbers of units so they're just making some type of calculated estimate AKA guessing LOL
I think it is fair to say Apple had sold One Billion iPhones in the past several years! Current install base may be only fraction of this(including iPad) and in that very few actually might pay and subsctsub Apple services....they are just showing smoke screen effect using Apple Pay, iTune, Apple News+ etc...iCloud started well,now I am not sure. Most of their services beyond hardware support, that are extensively relying on Software are behind competition
If they keep cranking up prices and try to release almost identical phones every year, the iphone sale will keep going down - Especially when the rest of the competition is pushing really hard for big innovation and competitive prices. The latest release of iphones felt almost like Apple is showing us the middle finger: A "we think we can do whatever we want" kind of move.
Actually no it's not a fraction of that. Apple can differentiate between active devices.
"“Our active installed base of devices reached an all-time high of 1.4 billion in the first quarter"
Source https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/01/apple-reports-first-quarter-results/
It was a little slow with iOS 11 but on 12 it flies. It’s kind of ridiculous. A9/2GB is a great platform.
Right now I’ve got 47 apps open and 187 tabs in Safari ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ If I had to buy a new iPhone today I very well might just get the 7 for $449.
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Crazy LOL... I'm glad to hear it's going strong!
Apple can definitely, but we don't know how many hundreds of millions in that active user base using unsupported iOS etc.....most likely most of the second hand owners and, those who use very older versions in Asian countries (which has to be substantially larger if the 900 millions use base is accurate) most likely do not subscribe to any Apple paid subscription like iTunes or Apple or Apple News +, iCloud etc....those hundreds of millions of iPhones eating up Apple servers, resources for nothing
Apple knows that too. Only 8% of iOS devices are not running iOS 11 or 12. Second hand owners don't use Apple services? It seems like you're reaching trying to find some negative to this whole thing and I can understand that I guess. Maybe a lot of them are using black market phones with stolen credit cards. I mean we can get silly I guess.
Edit: Changed 9% to 8%... I got it wrong LOL
Tim Cook stated on the investor call that there were 1.4 billion Apple devices in active use, the highest ever. This also includes iPads, Macs, Apple Watches and other devices, but the number of iPhones is likely very close to 1 billion.
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On average each device "contributes" about $8 to Apple services per year, which shows the huge potential to increase service revenue.