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Oh get off it already. It would be a great disservice to us if the market became >90% iPhone.

I agree.
Best, IMHO, is:
- iPhone: 50%
- Android: 30%
- rest: 20%

Leaving Apple the biggest, thus best supported with most apps, but no more than half the marketshare so that Apple must keep innovating.
 
iPhone 5S will likely be $650. If the 5C comes in at $450, that is (wait for it...) $200 less! If you don't think that a $200 price difference to somebody that makes $900/month is significant.. I'm sorry for your lack of world perspective.

Someone making $900 (or less) a month will most likely just shrug at wether that phone cost 450,650 or $6000 :rolleyes:

!IF! Apple really wants to play a major role in those emerging markets they need to be much more aggressive on pricing.
Some people suggested that the 5C would replace the iPod touch pricewise, while I do have my doubts about that, that would really make a difference on the overall number of devices Apple can sell worldwide. Justifying the huge price gap to 5S might be another problem.

If Apple does its "as usual" and sell the 5C for $400++ it might MS actually give a chance to gain some market share with their recently purchased cell manufactoring.
 
How much of that 70% is feature phones???
All are smartphones by Kantar's definition, but I acknowledge some may not be as smart as other. We need to remember that the iPhone 5C will be cheap by iPhone standard but not by smartphone standard at ~$400 the 5C will still be significant more that the ~$100-150 Android smartphones that are available around the world.
 
...and one of the last strongholds/strangleholds of Android is about to fall.

Folks...the marketshare % is about to take a drastic swing worldwide.

It already had shifted in the US when T-Mobile finally got the iPhone 5 in the spring leaving Android in the USA no place to hide.

With the iPhone appearing on more and more carriers where Android has had exclusivity is going to bring their % tumbling down.

Can't wait for the analysts to try to spin this one.

You are assuming people buy android soley for the basis of cheap price. And countries outside of America have a different attitude towards iphones than they do in the states. There are a lot of factors that have gone into android marketshare going up. Variety of screen size and open source played a huge role.

also you are forgetting this is apple. When they say low cost this could mean only $100 off. For consumers in the states that's great because most buy their iphones with contract so that's great. But outside the states that won't make much of a difference.
 
Of course the 5C will be available everywhere. Apple doesn't do region-specific products.

Apple has done region-specific products in the past (the second-generation PowerBook 2400c, which was sold exclusively in Japan, comes to mind). Who's to say it won't happen again?
 
Someone making $900 (or less) a month will most likely just shrug at wether that phone cost 450,650 or $6000 :rolleyes:

!IF! Apple really wants to play a major role in those emerging markets they need to be much more aggressive on pricing.
Some people suggested that the 5C would replace the iPod touch pricewise, while I do have my doubts about that, that would really make a difference on the overall number of devices Apple can sell worldwide. Justifying the huge price gap to 5S might be another problem.

If Apple does its "as usual" and sell the 5C for $400++ it might MS actually give a chance to gain some market share with their recently purchased cell manufactoring.


Yeah...... so, you don't know what you're talking about.

PLENTY of Chinese persons (that are not wealthy) have bought iPhones for exorbitant prices. Even though, they used to only be available gray market & they'd pay over retail. It is a status symbol. Maybe you read about the guy over there that sold his kidney to buy an iPad?
So..... Chinese people have been tripping over themselves to purchase iPhones from shady characters, marked up to the $800 range, but in your opinion.. an easily purchased, officially supported iPhone available for half that amount is going to chase them away to Microsoft phones???? Hahahaha.... I don't even think Ballmer would agree with you on that.
 
Yeah...... so, you don't know what you're talking about.

PLENTY of Chinese persons (that are not wealthy) have bought iPhones for exorbitant prices.

"Plenty" in this context means what ? 1000 ? 100000 ?

Apple has tried to hammer out a deal with China's largest wireless carrier that has 700 million subscribers,

THATS "plenty" and when Apple really wants to hit that market it needs to offer something so attractive that they can sell in 8 or even 9 digit numbers.
 
"Plenty" in this context means what ? 1000 ? 100000 ?



THATS "plenty" and when Apple really wants to hit that market it needs to offer something so attractive that they can sell in 8 or even 9 digit numbers.

Sorry, here is some context:
Two years ago, on an unofficially supported network... The CEO of China Mobile, himself publicly claimed that there were over 10 million iPhones on his network.
I'd extrapolate that given there are more than one carrier over there, & an additional 2 years have passed... @ least 50 million?
 
As previously stated a huge monopoly is not a good thing for ANY company be it Samsung, Apple, Android etc.. so why is it a good thing that Android has dominance, so much hypocrisy.

Also if it were not to be released in other parts of the world except emerging markets, what's with all "This should brighten EVERYONE'S day" advert for the iPhone launch, I doubt they would state this if it was only for China or India:rolleyes:

I'll ignore the Samsung comment seeing as they mostly use Android, and speaking of Android what world wide domination? iOS has a pretty massive chunk of the pie considering one company makes them. Do you think iOS is not successful or something. Or as an Apple fan you wish it to be the ONLY choice for consumers? Every time you look at the apps and games launched, the vast majority always gets released on iOS first or exclusively.
As for the second part of your post, Apple loves money, and by keeping the 5c only to certain markets, it forces everyone else to make them more of that profit by offering only the higher end more expensive model.
 
I agree.
Best, IMHO, is:
- iPhone: 50%
- Android: 30%
- rest: 20%

Leaving Apple the biggest, thus best supported with most apps, but no more than half the marketshare so that Apple must keep innovating.

Macs have a marketshare that is way below 50%, but awesome software IMHO (just not for every niche/business). And Macs are still rare enough that Apple doesn't have to be creative with making them obsolete. They can just sell more Macs to new users! But how do you sell a new iPad to someone who already owns an iPad 3 or 4? I think the ecosystem would be healthier at 20%, especially if it was the top-paying 20% :)
 
But of course it's fine if its 90% Android, right?

Of course it is, you don't think that all Android-phones are made by the same manufacturer right? If it was something like 90% Samsung that would be bad though.
 
How much of that 70% is feature phones???

If you mean a phone that is only able to run apps installed by the manufacturer (like the iPhone during its first year), then AFAIK, none were feature phones.

They might not come with Google Play installed, but they'll have some kind of app store and/or be able to sideload apps, and often they can install Google Play and/or the Amazon App Store.

This is not to say that Android wouldn't make a great base for a feature phone, but I don't think Kantar would count those. However, if you find one that can't load apps at all, please post a link. Thanks!
 
I agree.
Best, IMHO, is:
- iPhone: 50%
- Android: 30%
- rest: 20%

Leaving Apple the biggest, thus best supported with most apps, but no more than half the marketshare so that Apple must keep innovating.

Is that just the USA or Worldwide?

The world is a big place.

Unless Apple bring out cheaper phones (and I don't think 5C is it) they are going to be swamped out by emerging markets
 
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I just hope the lower cost 5C isn't a exclusive for China, with U.S. and other nations only getting the more expensive 5S.

While I'll most likely go with the 5S anyways there should be equality of options available for all nations.

iPhone [5C]hina??
 
Apple has done region-specific products in the past (the second-generation PowerBook 2400c, which was sold exclusively in Japan, comes to mind). Who's to say it won't happen again?

I wanted that laptop so bad back then!!!
 
...and one of the last strongholds/strangleholds of Android is about to fall.

Folks...the marketshare % is about to take a drastic swing worldwide.

It already had shifted in the US when T-Mobile finally got the iPhone 5 in the spring leaving Android in the USA no place to hide.

With the iPhone appearing on more and more carriers where Android has had exclusivity is going to bring their % tumbling down.

Can't wait for the analysts to try to spin this one.

So were does the European market fit in all this? If you points are to hold shouldn't Apple be the market share leader there too?
 
We get it. China Mobile is getting the iPhone. Yay.

Larger screen please.
Ok, why do you need larger screen? To see more content? What miss you in the 4 inch format? You watch movies maybe? Do you have problems with typing messeges or making calls? Do you have problems with the readability of the display?

Seriously, I respect your opinion, but Im sick of people asking the same thing over and over again. Some people want 4 inch display and other a bigger display. Apple offer what they think is the best. Its their job, not yours. If you dont like it, dont buy it. I do want 19 inch iMac and 17 inch Macbook Pro with retina but I dont cry in the forums about it.

The iPhone has 4 inch display, period. If Apple think that is the best for mi as a consumer, I respect that, because as I said, its their job to know what is the best for me.
 
Someone making $900 (or less) a month will most likely just shrug at wether that phone cost 450,650 or $6000 :rolleyes:

!IF! Apple really wants to play a major role in those emerging markets they need to be much more aggressive on pricing.
Some people suggested that the 5C would replace the iPod touch pricewise, while I do have my doubts about that, that would really make a difference on the overall number of devices Apple can sell worldwide. Justifying the huge price gap to 5S might be another problem.

If Apple does its "as usual" and sell the 5C for $400++ it might MS actually give a chance to gain some market share with their recently purchased cell manufactoring.

They don't need to be more aggressive or to be a major player. They want profits. They dominate in profits already.

Someone making $900 will be glad to save $200, in china or in the states. What makes you think $200 isn't significant for others?

About your Microsoft gaining share of the market due to Apple offering a lower cost phone, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHGAHAHAHAHAH.

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Ok, why do you need larger screen? To see more content? What miss you in the 4 inch format? You watch movies maybe? Do you have problems with typing messeges or making calls? Do you have problems with the readability of the display?

Seriously, I respect your opinion, but Im sick of people asking the same thing over and over again. Some people want 4 inch display and other a bigger display. Apple offer what they think is the best. Its their job, not yours. If you dont like it, dont buy it. I do want 19 inch iMac and 17 inch Macbook Pro with retina but I dont cry in the forums about it.

The iPhone has 4 inch display, period. If Apple think that is the best for mi as a consumer, I respect that, because as I said, its their job to know what is the best for me.

They could make two models you know. Like they are with the 5c and 5s.
 
Even if they pull full price, say $250 for an Android or say $400 for an iPhone 5c, the $400 will go farther in the long term and resale.

It's highly likely this line of thinking is irrelevant in China, the cultural differences are the reason why.
 
Im betting the 5C is for china only. Perhaps this is what the C stands for.

Doubt it. That would be massively insulting to the Chinese.

We're not all hyper-rich outside of China, either. There are plenty of non-Chinese who would buy an iPhone if it were more competitively priced.

Apple's current prices reflect the competitive landscape 5 years ago, when iOS was still miles ahead of Android. The competitive gap has shrunk, the price gap hasn't, and the result is that Apple is getting trounced by Samsung.
 
Apple has done region-specific products in the past (the second-generation PowerBook 2400c, which was sold exclusively in Japan, comes to mind).

Well, yes, but this was more than 15 years ago - a very different era for Apple (pre-Steve), when they had a vast and confusing product line and shrinking sales.

It would not make any sense for Apple to restrict a product like the iPhone 5C to China or to developing markets. It has been designed to better compete with mid-range Android phones which offer similar specs yet are significantly cheaper than current iPhone models. Those devices are widely available in all countries, so the 5C needs to be as well.
 
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