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Apple Shipping New Apple Watches Without Power Adapter, but iPad Air Includes 20W USB-C Charger

deeddawg said:
seal72 said:
The problem here is that some people end up selling their old iPhones or old watches with power adapters and cables, then they buy the new iPhone or watch and have no way to charge it. I have an iPhone 11 Pro Max, It comes with a different type of adapter, an usb c and that is all that I have. I am planning on selling my old watch to a friend and I will have to buy the new watch plus an adapter to charge it? No way! Apple can keep that watch. They want to decrease their carbon imprint? It seems more like millions more in profits for the company. Because hundreds of millions in their savings is not enough!
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Wait - you've been on MacRumors for well over eight years and you're saying the only USBA charging option you own is the 5W block that'd come with your watch?

Sorry, I don't buy it.

... and if you are actually telling the truth, it's a whopping $4.45 to get one shipped to your door.

Unless you're one of those who's been fooled into thinking large companies care about you, just move on and solve the problem yourself.
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Don't forget computers and even some tablets. ;-)
rmhop81 said:
if he sold his other devices, then he sold them with the adapter....why is this concept so difficult to grasp? I sell all my old stuff and include the adapter and cable.
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So, he sold every other device that requires an AC USB "brick"? Universal Serial Bus... USB ports can be used for a variety of devices. Not all, but a significant number of devices can utilize the same port (at different times, of course). Point is... A bit of exaggeration, no?
 
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BigMacLover said:
Where are people getting these extra power adapters? Are they not selling their old Apple devices? Or are they not including the adapters when they sell them? When I no longer use an Apple device, I sell it with everything that came with it. I don't have any extra adapters laying around.
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I have one extra iPad power brick and cable. But yes, for me, upgrades are not often. Still have an iPad 2, which I (mostly) replaced with a sixth-generation iPad. My current Mac is a 2012 model, which replaced a 2007 MacBook that I've loaned to my parents for FT calls. My iPhone X is an upgrade from an iPhone 6. I did purchase a cheap Anker Qi pad for charging my iPhone overnight next to my bed. Additionally, I'm using one cord and charging brick per device connector type. So, a combination of multi-purposing and using devices until they fail or so old they're not worth selling and headed for recycling anyway. But hey, that might not be everyone's situation. :)
 
I don't know if that was mentioned at one point on this thread, but if Apple really cared about the environment more than their profit margin, the right thing to do would have been to include a voucher for a power adapter with the watch purchase, and trusting consumers to request one only if really needed, rather than artificially increasing the price of watch+charger for new customers that need said charger...
The way they did it, it's just pure greed.
 
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I'm confused now. Just got my Series 6 Ti, and it came with the USB charger 🤔
Also came with the grey sport band that's not part of the "what's in the box" anymore.
 
arnoz said:
Just got my Series 6 with "old" USB cable. No type C… which is absurd because I need an adapter to charge my watch via my MBP.
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That's irritating. I don't care about the wall charger not being in the box, but I'm annoyed that half my devices are USB-C and the other half are some combination of USB-A and Lightning.

Just make it USB-C please. Thanks.

Better yet, let people CHOOSE what cable comes in the box.
 
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And now that Apple added Family Setup, you don't need your own iPhone anymore, so you won't have your own power brick from your iPhone
 
rmhop81 said:
why even include a cable then?
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With the Apple Watch, there is the reason you are much less likely to already have a surplus Apple Watch charging cable with its custom magnetic charging connector than a 'surplus' free USB-A port (on a charger or a computer), not least since a given USB-A port can usually charge multiple devices sequentially. Moreover, for a low-power device such as the Watch, additionally, almost any kind of USB-A port will do (as in provide enough power); something that couldn't be said with, eg, an iPad.

What applies to all devices is that the cable does tend to have a shorter lifespan. If you are careful, the cable can last probably last close to forever but for a good deal of people, a cable that is unplugged and replugged daily will show some wear and tear over time. The charging brick however tends to be indestructible.
 
arnoz said:
Just got my Series 6 with "old" USB cable. No type C… which is absurd because I need an adapter to charge my watch via my MBP.
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We’re in that grey zone right now where there’s tons of old USB chargers around and not that many of the newer USB-C ones.

In fairness, charging elsewhere away from the bedroom is probably a niche case at the moment, but I hear you, adapters always suck.
 
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With the Apple Watch, there is the reason you are much less likely to already have a surplus Apple Watch charging cable with its custom magnetic charging connector than a 'surplus' free USB-A port (on a charger or a computer), not least since a given USB-A port can usually charge multiple devices sequentially. Moreover, for a low-power device such as the Watch, additionally, almost any kind of USB-A port will do (as in provide enough power); something that couldn't be said with, eg, an iPad.

What applies to all devices is that the cable does tend to have a shorter lifespan. If you are careful, the cable can last probably last close to forever but for a good deal of people, a cable that is unplugged and replugged daily will show some wear and tear over time. The charging brick however tends to be indestructible.
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Agreed, the chargers will likely last longer than the cables. In our family though, and I’m sure we’re not alone, folks have a charging stand/accessories on the nightstand, and the cables hold up very well now.
 
The new iPhones come with USB-C to lightning cable and no power adapter. Surely this now confirms how little this was about environmental reasons given everyone will have to go and buy USB-C power chargers, or if you have a watch - a hybrid that includes a USB-A and a USB-C port.
 
I7guy said:
Obviously can't go back and UN-manfacture the charging bricks. But going forward you'll be able to leverage the many USB charges that are in the bottom draw. Possibly give them away or sell them.

The movement of 100,000 units of a product, such as b/t headphones, from manufacturing to purchasing consumer, without a charger takes less space with the reduction of packaging and weight than the same 100,000 units of the same product with a charger in the box.

The scenario of not putting rims and tires does not scale the same way as above from a vehicle leaving the assembly line to arriving at a customer's purchase location. It becomes much more difficult to move the car an inch without rims and tires, and that becomes the enemy of new car market.

Why do you assume that Apple will get the $1? Are there not enough MFi accessories that sell for the cheap? One can buy either a small brick or a big multi-charger that fits their use case, if they even need one.

What does one do when they buy a non-Apple consumer grade electronic USB product without a charger in the box? And how is that different than what Apple is doing?
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Now that the iPhone 12 has included a USB-C cable, all those USB-A chargers are suddenly a lot less useful. Guess what - a fair amount of them that were in your bottom drawer will now end up in landfill, and the USB-C chargers will have to be manufactured, packaged, shipped, stocked, purchased - not much of an e-waste saving now.
Here's hoping the newly purchased chargers will be dual USB-C and USB-A as the iWatch includes a USB-A cord... instead of a USB-C charger + a USB-A charger!
 
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Now that the iPhone 12 has included a USB-C cable, all those USB-A chargers are suddenly a lot less useful. Guess what - a fair amount of them that were in your bottom drawer will now end up in landfill,
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I am guessing many families will still have a need for "old" chargers for years to come. The usb-c cable is an option. I personally should I get an iphone 12, not have need for the usb-c cable...I'm guessing many others won't as well. However, it is an option.
and the USB-C chargers will have to be manufactured, packaged, shipped, stocked, purchased - not much of an e-waste saving now.
Here's hoping the newly purchased chargers will be dual USB-C and USB-A as the iWatch includes a USB-A cord... instead of a USB-C charger + a USB-A charger!
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Sure, there will be some that buy the 20 watt chargers, but it's not a binary either/or situation.
 
I7guy said:
I am guessing many families will still have a need for "old" chargers for years to come. The usb-c cable is an option. I personally should I get an iphone 12, not have need for the usb-c cable...I'm guessing many others won't as well. However, it is an option.

Sure, there will be some that buy the 20 watt chargers, but it's not a binary either/or situation.
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Yes usb-a chargers will have use - for one they need it for the watch. Remember, this was under the guise of reducing e-waste. So now 1,000's of usb-c cables are now going into drawers, or people are buying usb-c chargers.

It is a binary option if you currently have a single powerpoint available.
 
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Yes usb-a chargers will have use - for one they need it for the watch. Remember, this was under the guise of reducing e-waste. So now 1,000's of usb-c cables are now going into drawers, or people are buying usb-c chargers.

It is a binary option if you currently have a single powerpoint available.
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So the trade-off is 80 million lightning to usc-c cables go into a draw, instead of 80 million charges, 80 million lightning to usb-a cables, 80 million earpods? While there are those on this forum that claim they have a single charging brick and a single cable, that is not the rule in my anecdotal experience. Even many consumer devices have ports on them, including some extension cords.

For those that are in the need of a charging brick, they will have to buy one.
 
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So the trade-off is 80 million lightning to usc-c cables go into a draw, instead of 80 million charges, 80 million lightning to usb-a cables, 80 million earpods? While there are those on this forum that claim they have a single charging brick and a single cable, that is not the rule in my anecdotal experience. Even many consumer devices have ports on them, including some extension cords.

For those that are in the need of a charging brick, they will have to buy one.
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I think you are right - there is likely to be 80 million chargers purchased, or 80 million cables left in drawers or ending up in landfill, or a combination of that. We can agree then it is not for e-waste reduction.
Anecdotal evidence is just that.
Cheers
 
unoporfavor said:
I think you are right - there is likely to be 80 million chargers purchased, or 80 million cables left in drawers or ending up in landfill, or a combination of that. We can agree then it is not for e-waste reduction.
Anecdotal evidence is just that.
Cheers
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Correct, I agree with you. I believe apple did their homework on this move and decided that not raising prices on the iPhone 12 along with e-waste and other downstream savings was worth it in an overall sense.
 
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