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Apple should get rid of iLife on new MacBooks

slu said:
You don't get more wrong. ALL current DV and HDV cameras use firewire to transfer video to a Mac. That is fact.
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Hmmmm I see a lot of USB 2.0 references on this list of High Def camcorders...http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=abcat0403004&type=category

I think the real complaint is from the MiniDV owners and NO it's not a fact that all DV and HDV cameras use firewire. Most actually use USB 2.0. MiniDV cameras (which IMO are being phased out of the normal average consumer market and replaced with hard drive cameras) use Firewire and those are cameras referenced here.

But that list from Best Buy shows HDV cameras most of which have 2.0 interfaces.
 
I have a canon vixia hf10, which is a hard drive camcorder. Hooks up via usb 2.0, and the new macbook seems like it will be a perfect addition to use with it.
 
polaris20 said:
Clearly that'd be a silly thing to say
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Again,that wasn't my point, nor was it your point. Instead of trying to understand where the bloke was coming from, and why he posted such a picture, you just wrote some complete and utter nonsense, while claiming you "got him". The idea of that picture WAS to show that non-pro cams use FW. If you think that's a ridiculous way of showing it, perhaps you should have backed him up and responded to the same ignorami he responded to.

It reminds me of the people responding to people complaining complaining about the lack of a fw port/the nixing of one of them with "duh! go buy an FW-to-ethernet adaptor". They utterly miss the point too, and to make matters worse, they don't even know the technicalities of such a suggestion.
 
Tosser said:
Again,that wasn't my point, nor was it your point. Instead of trying to understand where the bloke was coming from, and why he posted such a picture, you just wrote some complete and utter nonsense, while claiming you "got him". The idea of that picture WAS to show that non-pro cams use FW. If you think that's a ridiculous way of showing it, perhaps you should have backed him up and responded to the same ignorami he responded to.

It reminds me of the people responding to people complaining complaining about the lack of a fw port/the nixing of one of them with "duh! go buy an FW-to-ethernet adaptor". They utterly miss the point too, and to make matters worse, they don't even know the technicalities of such a suggestion.
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Dude, I was agreeing with you. Settle down. Either you quoted the wrong post, or you're really misunderstanding mine, because I agree with you.
 
deltaiscain said:
But isn't it obvious guys?
First the macbooks had integrated graphics, and now they have better graphics, like the pro. So how can apple get you to buy the macbook pro? easy, make them the only ones with a firewire connector.
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They still have integrated graphics, and it's still pretty slow. It's just not as unbearably slow as before.
 
polaris20 said:
There are several USB2.0 interfaces that are very good quality from Digidesign, M-Audio, Edirol, and MOTU. They work quite well.
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The best quality low price FW interface for the Mac is the Apogee Duet... and you can no longer use it with a regular Macbook. That is silly. The rest of those are crap compared to the Duet (input / output options aside). The Duet intergrates with Logic so great that I can't believe Apple f-ed them on this... just silly. The Macbook used to be a completely capable audio computer... now it is not.
 
JSRockit said:
The best quality low price FW interface for the Mac is the Apogee Duet... and you can no longer use it with a regular Macbook. That is silly. The rest of those are crap compared to the Duet (input / output options aside). The Duet intergrates with Logic so great that I can't believe Apple f-ed them on this... just silly. The Macbook used to be a completely capable audio computer... now it is not.
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I realize the Duet is nice, and that it will no longer work on the MB. I was merely pointing out there are other great interfaces that will work, for those wishing to still do audio on the new MB. The MOTU in particular is no slouch. the converters probably aren't as good as the Duet, but it is far more versatile than the Duet is.
 
polaris20 said:
I realize the Duet is nice, and that it will no longer work on the MB. I was merely pointing out there are other great interfaces that will work, for those wishing to still do audio on the new MB. The MOTU in particular is no slouch. the converters probably aren't as good as the Duet, but it is far more versatile than the Duet is.
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Switched from a MOTU Ultralite to the Duet recently...it was a pretty noticeable difference in quality... I do not want to go back. That said, I'll just keep using my older laptop. However, I'm sure Apogee is a bit pissed about this.
 
it's really simple

I wonder how many threads are going to be on this stupid subject. It's so very simple, even the OP should be able to get it.

If you need a computer that has Firewire, don't buy one without it.

If you must whine, please provide cheese.
 
Chaos123x said:
I'm not seriously suggesting that they remove iLife.

The point of the post is to show how ridiculous removing firewire is.
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I think it's more ridiculous that they left the SuperDrives in.

If you can't easily import your video footage, what's the point of having a DVD burner?!
 
JSRockit said:
Switched from a MOTU Ultralite to the Duet recently...it was a pretty noticeable difference in quality... I do not want to go back. That said, I'll just keep using my older laptop. However, I'm sure Apogee is a bit pissed about this.
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Look, clearly you're missing my point. I realize the Duet has better converters than those I mentioned. My point is that there are still some very good interfaces out there for those chosing to stick with the new MB. I'm just trying to help by providing info. I wasn't intending on getting in an interface pissing contest.
 
kkat69 said:
Hmmmm I see a lot of USB 2.0 references on this list of High Def camcorders...http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=abcat0403004&type=category

I think the real complaint is from the MiniDV owners and NO it's not a fact that all DV and HDV cameras use firewire. Most actually use USB 2.0. MiniDV cameras (which IMO are being phased out of the normal average consumer market and replaced with hard drive cameras) use Firewire and those are cameras referenced here.

But that list from Best Buy shows HDV cameras most of which have 2.0 interfaces.
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Been reading a few topics on the lack of firewire thing and really trying to hold myself back from what you will read below but I've had enough.

It is a fact that every single DV and HDV camera uses firewire. I am not saying that every digital video camera does, but the standards DV and HDV are totally in bed with firewire. What has been pointed to time and time again in the past couple of days are cameras that encode and mentally compress in MP2 and MP4, which really doesn't cut the mustard compared to DV (the standard). If you see a camera with USB output, it is either a DV camera which also has flashed based memory for photos and bad quality video, or a Flash/HDD camera which encodes in MP2/MP4 which are also (IMHO) bad quality for prosumer/light pro.

It is very true that reds 4k camera is amazing, but it also costs 10's of thousands, and is really designed as a replacement film camera not video. Down in the mid range market I have never seen a decent non tape based camera ever. For those in audio, imagine recording your sessions in MP3 formats, you wouldnt do it right?! Audio guys record in uncompressed PCM 24bit (mostly). Video (obviously not film) guys record in lightly compressed DV/HDV (this is a total generalisation, but generally is true!!!!)
 
kkat69 said:
Hmmmm I see a lot of USB 2.0 references on this list of High Def camcorders...http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=abcat0403004&type=category

I think the real complaint is from the MiniDV owners and NO it's not a fact that all DV and HDV cameras use firewire. Most actually use USB 2.0. MiniDV cameras (which IMO are being phased out of the normal average consumer market and replaced with hard drive cameras) use Firewire and those are cameras referenced here.

But that list from Best Buy shows HDV cameras most of which have 2.0 interfaces.
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They list USB interfaces because USB can be used to transfer digital stills, just like a digital camera.
 
polaris20 said:
There are several USB2.0 interfaces that are very good quality from Digidesign, M-Audio, Edirol, and MOTU. They work quite well.
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Ok, that's a lie. Define "Quite well" please... have you ever tried to do some real recording via USB ?. Midi works nicely with USB, but if you really knew what you're talking about you would know that USB has SERIOUS latency problems when recording music. (even at the basic level, that you just want to record a couple of guitars in parallel, or a bass plus a guitar , and add the drums via loops or something ).
 
MrGando said:
Ok, that's a lie. Define "Quite well" please... have you ever tried to do some real recording via USB ?. Midi works nicely with USB, but if you really knew what you're talking about you would know that USB has SERIOUS latency problems when recording music. (even at the basic level, that you just want to record a couple of guitars in parallel, or a bass plus a guitar , and add the drums via loops or something ).
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It's a lie? Excuse me, who the hell are you? Yeah, I use USB to record, and have for several years. I do know what I'm talking about, clearly you do not. I regularly record multiple instruments at 24 bits, with 5ms latency, with all VSTi instruments going at the same time. No clicks, no pops. This goes back to my days of using a friggin' Celeron laptop.
 
I agree with you Polaris. There is nothing wrong with USB for smaller setups, although I wouldn't personally multitrack a drumkit over USB (thats just personal choice because I think firewire is more reliable).

Anyway, who monitors through a computer anyway, you want to monitor straight off your interface while recording - then you get absolutely NO latency.

This whole USB latency myth is total BS, I would always prefer to use FW but USB can be just as good for certain things.
 
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