Zero lag unless you're using some POS class 2 card.
There's zero lag on Class 4 and above cards for music playback.
Loading times depend on the card speed as well.
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Apple should give user expandable memory for iPhone 5
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There's zero lag on Class 4 and above cards for music playback.
Loading times depend on the card speed as well.
Yes... slower cards take longer to copy data/music to them. (write speed of the card)
Playback or read speed is generally faster then the write speed on SD media.
Yeah and im not saying Apple will do it. They wont because it goes against their bottom line which is their profit margin that they make charging big money for you to get a phone with more memory.
Im just saying the excuses i see from posters here as to why they wont do it is comical. Its all about the profits and that is all.
To the people saying that the iPhone doesn't need expandable memory, exacly what do you use your phone for? Because I have been at the 16gb capacity for quite some time now, and it causes me problems. I can't update large apps, and in order to add new music I have to delete other songs. Another thing for the people who are defending Apple's choice of not implementing expandable memory:
Are you serious?
Because I don't know about you, but $100 > $9 the last time I checked. And that's the cost your facing going from a 16gb to 32gb iPhone, compared to buying a phone with 16gb on board and expanding it to 32gb with a micro sd card.
I honestly dont understand why some people think there are valid reasons (others then $$$) not to have expandable memory in iPhones.
Are you serious?
Because I don't know about you, but $100 > $9 the last time I checked. And that's the cost your facing going from a 16gb to 32gb iPhone, compared to buying a phone with 16gb on board and expanding it to 32gb with a micro sd card.
I honestly dont understand why some people think there are valid reasons (others then $$$) not to have expandable memory in iPhones.
I was checking how much those 64 gb microSD are costing, and it's dirt cheap. Even 128 gb ( 2 x 64 gb ) is alot cheaper than the upgrade of 16 gb --> 64 gb that Apple gives you.
The iPhone 5 better have user expandable memory because Apple is ripping everybody off with their outrageous overpriced memory upgrade.
An alternative approach is to ask Apple to raise the storage in the iPhone, such as 64 GB minimum, with 128 GB and 256 GB given to iPhones of higher capacity.
I would get the higher capacity phone if Apple didnt charge such rediculous prices for it. A bump up of 16gb does not cost $100. Plus is the galaxy s III has it, why cant the iPhone?
Because people like Technarky will happily pay Apple their ripoff markup and then foolishly brag how Apple is the king of profits.
From what I can understand/make out (Don't take my word for it) the problem with a lot of Android manufactures is that despite them copying Apple's non-user expandable memory...they kind of cheap out and stick a internal "MicroSD" card inside instead of actual on-board flash storage which has much higher read/write speeds.
As for Apple I think they aren't adding microSD card slots not only because it would take up space in the phone but also because MicroSD cards are a lot slower than onboard flash storage as well as less reliable. We can have more MicroSD card failure's than iPhone flash storage (I have yet to read about a case...I'm sure some exist but never honestly heard of), Also failing MicroSD card slots would probably be a waste of time for apple employees to troubleshoot for users over time.
As for Apple I think they aren't adding microSD card slots not only because it would take up space in the phone but also because MicroSD cards are a lot slower than onboard flash storage as well as less reliable. We can have more MicroSD card failure's than iPhone flash storage (I have yet to read about a case...I'm sure some exist but never honestly heard of), Also failing MicroSD card slots would probably be a waste of time for apple employees to troubleshoot for users over time.
I dont think Apple will ever do it, they make their fattest margins on overcharging for storage. If they did this, everyone will just buy the phone with the lowest storage and then put SD cards in them. It's never been a performance issue, always been an $$$ issue.
I agree apple makes their cash on over charging for storage but you gotta admit we pay for the quality that outlasts all others along with price that depreciates over years rather than YeaR when compared to android running phones. Apple delivers Premium Quality Smartphones to us, so its kind of fair they do charge a little extra...on average it costs $280 or so from what I read while back to make an iPhone 4S 16GB I think it was and Apple's always been about making money and charging 2-3x more than what they pay to make....but also keep in mind they can afford to replace your phone/macbook/imac instantly as compared to other manufacturers....it may not be particularly you but other fellow apple buyers do walk away quiet happy in >90% of the cases.....only way apple can do that is because they charge premium price for premium line of products. I bet you can't walk into a Samsung, HTC, Microsoft store across the globe (Mainly cause most of these I mentioned don't even have standalone stores) and get a replacement for as little as $150 or even free if you can prove that issue exists without user's intervention. Apple has replaced many people's phones, macbook's and other devices for free that were/are out of warranty which is quiet generous and a lot better than waiting 1-2 weeks to ship and receive as thats how it works with just about every single manufacturer be it Android or Windows.
That's cool, but you bought a refurbished one, so of course it was going to be cheaper.
Two posts taken from Anandtech comments:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6054/google-nexus-7-mini-review/2
If you guys have been following ANdroid team since the pre G1 days, you will find that they HATE external storage and wanted flash and no SD for the G1 and all Android devices. The problem was Apple's contract manufacturing buyers secured the majority of flash memory allocations for a few years. This meant it was not practical for a few years to put anything beyong 4gb and alot were half of that.
Google was forced to embrace sd cards as a reult, and still were a year late getting an official apps2sd or sd cards. They hate coding for external storage and the security concerns. The goal all along was a Google market portal and cloud storage. Android team has stated this a few times, so not conjecture.
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Actually his comments did make sense. nand (internal flash memory) /= sd card (external, much slower flash memory) so please take note of that.
Nand at the time the G1 came about was ridiculously expensive - whether due to Apple or not, I have no clue. All I do know is that in device teardowns, the storage was often the most expensive besides the screen and albeit for very little of it. For this reason, many initial Android devices had tiny internal storage...a ridiculous amount even, allowing the bare essentials to be installed which consists of the OS and a few apps.
It has been established, if you listened to Google devs since day 1, that they reluctantly used SD/external storage. It was a necessity in order to facilitate storing media and gaming apps early on.
They didn't even like the idea of non-gaming apps on them at all, but as time went by the need arose to allow it (since people would run out of storage space on their devices). Trade offs were made and it became an Android feature to easily move some apps to SD with the caveat that its widget could no longer be used on the ui.
If you've owned different brands of devices you'll see that each of them has their own implementation of how the system sees/names the external storage. Not only does this create a disparity for software devs but it decreases system security. External memory can also be an issue and liability to the system since they can be too slow or of bad quality and fail (a likely reason Apple didn't include the sd card slot in any mobile device).
Eventually we will see more and more devices ship without it. Even without consideration given to the cloud, it is just much better for a device to depend on internal storage. It basically removes all the wild cards that the microSD can cause from the equation.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6054/google-nexus-7-mini-review/2
If you guys have been following ANdroid team since the pre G1 days, you will find that they HATE external storage and wanted flash and no SD for the G1 and all Android devices. The problem was Apple's contract manufacturing buyers secured the majority of flash memory allocations for a few years. This meant it was not practical for a few years to put anything beyong 4gb and alot were half of that.
Google was forced to embrace sd cards as a reult, and still were a year late getting an official apps2sd or sd cards. They hate coding for external storage and the security concerns. The goal all along was a Google market portal and cloud storage. Android team has stated this a few times, so not conjecture.
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Actually his comments did make sense. nand (internal flash memory) /= sd card (external, much slower flash memory) so please take note of that.
Nand at the time the G1 came about was ridiculously expensive - whether due to Apple or not, I have no clue. All I do know is that in device teardowns, the storage was often the most expensive besides the screen and albeit for very little of it. For this reason, many initial Android devices had tiny internal storage...a ridiculous amount even, allowing the bare essentials to be installed which consists of the OS and a few apps.
It has been established, if you listened to Google devs since day 1, that they reluctantly used SD/external storage. It was a necessity in order to facilitate storing media and gaming apps early on.
They didn't even like the idea of non-gaming apps on them at all, but as time went by the need arose to allow it (since people would run out of storage space on their devices). Trade offs were made and it became an Android feature to easily move some apps to SD with the caveat that its widget could no longer be used on the ui.
If you've owned different brands of devices you'll see that each of them has their own implementation of how the system sees/names the external storage. Not only does this create a disparity for software devs but it decreases system security. External memory can also be an issue and liability to the system since they can be too slow or of bad quality and fail (a likely reason Apple didn't include the sd card slot in any mobile device).
Eventually we will see more and more devices ship without it. Even without consideration given to the cloud, it is just much better for a device to depend on internal storage. It basically removes all the wild cards that the microSD can cause from the equation.
Let's assume that SD cards are a concern for android, and that they are not as useful as some people are claiming. The bigger issue here is not that apple doesn't allow for expandable memory, but the fact that to bump up 16Gb of SD card storage is no more then $20, but the 32Gb iPhone is $100 more expensive then the 16Gb version. This is why people want expandable memory in the phone.
70Mbps is certainly far more impressive than 20Mbps. But if such a vast difference was realized, then the performance shoot-outs between an iPhone 4S and leading Android phones would have shown a vast difference. Compared to an HTC 4G LTE, the HTC beat out the iPhone in a number of categories and tied in others. I think the iPhone inched ahead in one or two. But loading video from memory or downloading files would have shown significant differences if Apple memory was so much faster. And this was done with both internal and MicroSD memory on the Android.
Not all files require significant transfer speeds beyond quality MicroSD card specifications. Android phones have built in RAM and use the MicroSD for extended storage. Apple could do the same. But again... the current business model is far too profitable, at the customer's expense.
Not all files require significant transfer speeds beyond quality MicroSD card specifications. Android phones have built in RAM and use the MicroSD for extended storage. Apple could do the same. But again... the current business model is far too profitable, at the customer's expense.