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if facebook pulled their app and google pulled their apps, people would leave the iPhone. It would be bad for apple if these companies can't play nicely.
 
Update 2: In a statement to TechCrunch, Apple says it is working with Google to fix the certificate issue. "We are working together with Google to help them reinstate their enterprise certificates very quickly."
Nope. Wrong move.

It's obvious Apple won't be suspending Google's and Facebook's certificates indefinitely, but Apple needs to shut up and let people sweat it out for a few days. Even though I'd enjoy watching Google and Facebook brought to their knees, the bigger reason is a warning to everyone: "Don't f*** with us."

Apple PR needs to make no comment. Doing so only exposes potential weakness.
 
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Forgive me as I don’t understand all of that, so I have a question.

Will my gmail app stop working? What about google photos? As of now, they are working.

They are working fine, and harvesting you and your friends/families personal data as we speak.
 
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They absolutely deserve that... There's a reason it's called enterprise certificate.
just a scary reminder that Apple can flip a switch and the whole works can come tumbling down. Reason enough not to be totally dependent on them.
Absolutely right. That's exactly the reason I still carry a BlackBerry (OS10) device around. Don't put all your eggs in one basket...
 
just a scary reminder that Apple can flip a switch and the whole works can come tumbling down. Reason enough not to be totally dependent on them.

Only iOS devices are affected at both Google and Facebook. Employees using Android devices are not affected at all. Google and Facebook are not “totally dependent” on Apple at all. Apple’s market position (something the naysayers say is irrelevant) is at work here. With 900 million iOS devices in the Wild google and Facebook cannot ignore those users and they certainly can’t tell them to dump iOS en mass and move to Android. That ain’t gonna happen.
 
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Too much abuse of power

Agree. Facebook and Google abusing their power. Glad Apple is fighting back.
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I wonder if Google will retaliate by withholding the rumored $9B/year they give Apple to look the other way on Google's other questionable practices by making Google the default search engine on iOS Safari.

Um they pay that because they gain more when people use their search, no? So they'd be punishing themselves if they did that.
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if facebook pulled their app and google pulled their apps, people would leave the iPhone. It would be bad for apple if these companies can't play nicely.

Or, some people would leave Facebook and Google services and stick with the Apple ecosystem.
 
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PRoblem here is Apple has some power but not ultimate power because many users need Google and Facebook services more than they need Apple to punish Google and Facebook.

And Apple needs the iPhone to have the latest Facebook and Google apps so they can't exactly punish them.
 
Agree. Facebook and Google abusing their power. Glad Apple is fighting back.
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Um they pay that because they gain more when people use their search, no? So they'd be punishing themselves if they did that.
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Or, some people would leave Facebook and Google services and stick with the Apple ecosystem.

what is the apple alternative for youtube?
 
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PRoblem here is Apple has some power but not ultimate power because many users need Google and Facebook services more than they need Apple to punish Google and Facebook.
Don't become so dependent on them. I've already ditched facebook. And even though I have had a gmail account since gmail launched in beta I ditched it too and moved everything to icloud. I trust apple far more than I trust anyone else. Though none of them are perfect.
 
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It's likely this will be resolved by the end of the week.

Apple will hem and haw about how they can't use the certs this way. Execs at Google and FB will apologize. New certs will be issued.

In a way, this is good and bad. Good because Apple can stop these sorts of apps from being used. Bad because I'm not sure I'm comfortable with Apple having this much control over other large companies.

Curious what Lucy must be thinking watching this as she readies her QC/Apple verdict. ;)
 
So for those skewering Apple for doing this what would your solution be? The usual slap on the wrist and “don’t do it again” admonition? Ha ha, we caught you breaking your certificate terms but just don’t do it again, okay, please, pretty please. Do you think it’s perfectly legal and ethical for Google and Facebook to have done what they did? All’s fair in love and war? Ha, ha, too bad for you Apple, we’ll do whatever we like with your developer certificate?

Let's have some input from the crowd saying Apple is the meanie here to poor, sweet, innocent Facebook and Google.
 
So FB has theirs back already and now it looks like Google will too. So was this Apple just doing it to show FB and Google they could/would? Or what got them reinstated? $$?
 
So FB has theirs back already and now it looks like Google will too. So was this Apple just doing it to show FB and Google they could/would? Or what got them reinstated? $$?
Of course they'll get them back. When they stop doing what they're doing. Apple got their attention. All should be well now. For awhile at least. Hopefully.
 
They didn’t abuse user privacy. The app in question had to be downloaded by users and was up front about the data it collected. The problem is the Apple doesn’t permit apps on their store to do that so Google used an alternative Apple licence that didn’t require distribution via the App Store. Apple didn’t like that either.
Nothing to do with privacy. Everything to do with Apple licences.
Google was somewhat up front. Not completely. And facebook said almost nothing about it. Facebook has done experiments on users before without their knowledge. Using their accounts to target them in an attempt to sway political beliefs. All without their knowledge. They got busted for that. But they still are doing it. They're not just taking your data to better advertise to you. They are paid by outside political and lobbyist groups to manipulate you and your data helps them do that. With facebook and google YOU are the product.
 
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What does this "Pre-release versions of iOS apps like Google Maps, Hangouts, Gmail, and more stopped working today" actually MEAN? My Gmail is working. Google Maps once had satellite images of the 400-home development behind my house, but recently they display only about 33 of the houses - as though they went back a year or more. Just this past November the construction showed it to be more than 50% complete. Something fishy going on. Wonder if it's related.
 
What does this "Pre-release versions of iOS apps like Google Maps, Hangouts, Gmail, and more stopped working today" actually MEAN? My Gmail is working. Google Maps once had satellite images of the 400-home development behind my house, but recently they display only about 33 of the houses - as though they went back a year or more. Just this past November the construction showed it to be more than 50% complete. Something fishy going on. Wonder if it's related.
It has nothing to do with any of that. Only their custom internal apps and custom internal beta tests. Nothing to do with any consumer apps.
 
No, they just can't update them.
They can update them. Enterprise accounts are separate from itunesconnect -- the OP's apps will not be affected.
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I'm not sure Apple can win this game of chicken. People are hooked on Facebook and Google more than they are iPhones.
Internal apps, not consumer apps.
 
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