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If it's a test opt-in app not distributed through Apple App Store then what's the issue?
 
I'm not surprised. I don't trust Facebook or Google for data collection, particularly Google.
 
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This is pretty darn clear in the rules for enterprise apps. Google and Facebook knew they were in severe violation of their agreement and chose to do it anyway because they are "large". As an app developer myself I'm glad to see Apple crack down on this. They make the rules and companies need to learn to play by the rules if they want to play in Apples playground.

They're not really cracking down, though. It was a mere five hour ban.
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If it's a test opt-in app not distributed through Apple App Store then what's the issue?

Because it's against the rules. Apple doesn't want anyone to just be able to sideload apps.
 
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This has nothing to do with data mining. This is about Facebook and Google letting consumers use apps on a platform that is designed for internal use only. I feel like the people writing these articles are doing a huge disservice by not explaining the issue correctly.
Very much this. These Enterprise Certificates have two purposes: One, so MegaCorp can write a MegaCorp-specific app for all MegaCorp employees to use as part of their business (without continually having to have Apple certify updates to the app as being fit for general public use - which they will never see). And, Two, so MegaCorp can widely internally test beta builds of either their MegaCorp-specifc app, or something they'll eventually submit to Apple for public distribution - where you want to hand the beta to many MegaCorp employees without them all being developers per se.

Facebook and Google were building apps with these Enterprise Certificates, and then handing them out to random non-company people, enticing them to use the app by paying them. Nothing even remotely like what Apple intended or allowed.

To data mining, though, the apps (both? or just one) were VPN apps - which means every single byte of network traffic to and from said random person's phone, would flow through Facebook or Google's company headquarters. Want to do super creepy data mining on someone? Figure out a way to get access to every single byte of their network traffic. They were really atrociously violating the terms under which those certs were issued.
 
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Lol - they just pulled a Qualcomm on google and Facebook. If you yourself are bullied, it’s only logical from the perspective of 3-year-old to bully someone else for satisfaction.

What a joke - I hope they know that Google doesn’t let itself be bullied. That’s going to backfire dramatically and will hurt Google (and Facebook) services on Android.

Honestly, if I were google, I’d immediately have pulled the plug on google search on all iOS devices. I’m sure Bing would serve the fanbois just fine.
 
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Very much this. These Enterprise Certificates have two purposes: One, so MegaCorp can write a MegaCorp-specific app for all MegaCorp employees to use as part of their business (without continually having to have Apple certify updates to the app as being fit for general public use - which they will never see). And, Two, so MegaCorp can widely internally test beta builds of either their MegaCorp-specifc app, or something they'll eventually submit to Apple for public distribution - where you want to hand the beta to many MegaCorp employees without them all being developers per se.

Facebook and Google were building apps with these Enterprise Certificates, and then handing them out to random non-company people, enticing them to use the app by paying them. Nothing even remotely like what Apple intended or allowed.

To data mining, though, the apps (both? or just one) were VPN apps - which means every single byte of network traffic to and from said random person's phone, would flow through Facebook or Google's company headquarters. Want to do super creepy data mining on someone? Figure out a way to get access to every single byte of their network traffic. They were really atrociously violating the terms under which those certs were issued.

who cares about apples terms?
it was consensual between megacrab and not even customer but paid tester!

this whole story is just an apple fog action to push news away from a REAL facetime (maybe NSA) feature set - from her majesty privacy company itself !!!
 
When their business is based around collecting data on users I don’t think they will.

Is it now!? Google’s business is advertising. Personalized data isn’t something they’re interested in and never have. But urban myths grow strong. Apart from that, Apple’s terms of service are much murkier when it comes to personal data collection than Google’s, but that’s another discussion.
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who cares about apples terms?
it was consensual between megacrab and not even customer but paid tester!

this whole story is just an apple fog action to push news away from a REAL facetime (maybe NSA) feature set - from her majesty privacy company itself !!!

Apple does not have privacy problems. Users just hold their phones wrong.

Also Huawei is banned in the US for spying (allegedly). At the same time, the NSA can spy on every single iPhone in the world with ease - and so can China and Russia apparently, even on your president’s own device (who couldn’t care less, apparently). Not that I’m comfortable with the Chinese communist government - but any country in the world spies and hurting consumer interests by banning entire companies due to ongoing trade wars isn’t the way to go.


But that’s not relevant anyway, as Apple doesn’t have these kinds of issues - they’re clean as a whistle. Any kind of issue with their devices is user error, didn’t you know?
 
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I did/do both, I also (as an ex windows phone user) know what happens when you piss Google off.

Yep, it is quite obvious what happens when you piss off Google. It goes back to it's drawing board (like it already did) and resolve the issue. It is Google who is paying billions to Apple and not the other way around. So it is quite clear who needs more who.
 
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Yep, it is quite obvious what happens when you piss off Google. It goes back to it's drawing board (like it already did) and resolve the issue. It is Google who is paying billions to Apple and not the other way around. So it is quite clear who needs more who.
Something tells me they won't be paying them for much longer. Few more years until they wipe Bing entirely and Apple losses a few more % of market share.
 
Google (search, YouTube, Gmail...) and Facebook (Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp) are the internet of modern age. If these 2 giants decide to screw Apple, they easily could. Just look at what happened to wp when MS started a fight with Google.

That’s because the windows phone started from a position of weakness.

Apple has leverage, in the form of having aggregated the best customers. Google reportedly earns more from iOS than its own android platform. I presume that’s why Facebook prioritises development for ios so much.

Even when Apple replaced google maps with their own maps service, google quickly responded by (finally) releasing their own google maps app for iOS.

I am sure that Apple has their own contingency plans in place for if Google decides to try and withhold their services from the iOS platform. And I can also assure you that if Google were to try, I am sticking with the Apple ecosystem while Apple comes up with an interim solution.

There is no way for google and facebook to screw Apple over without hurting their own finances in the process. This is precisely why Apple works so hard to secure their own platform, and I have never been prouder to be an apple customer.
 
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This ain't gonna end well for Apple.

Yep, because it’s going to end great with Apple. Privacy is major selling point for Apple. Google and Facebook are a cancer destroying privacy. I love what Apple is doing.
 
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Something tells me they won't be paying them for much longer. Few more years until they wipe Bing entirely and Apple losses a few more % of market share.

Something tells me you are wrong!! Not that they won't wipe Bing entirely but THE new boy in town duckduckgo is getting more attention and it is everything Googles search engine is not (privacy oriented) so yeah, I would not hold my breath if I was you.
 
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There is no way for google and facebook to screw Apple over without hurting their own finances in the process. This is precisely why Apple works so hard to secure their own platform, and I have never been prouder to be an apple customer.
Google are going to pay Apple $12 billion to be the default search in Safari this year; hardley the act of a company looking to "screw Apple over"
https://9to5mac.com/2018/09/28/google-paying-apple-9-billion-default-seach-engine/
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Something tells me you are wrong!! Not that they won't wipe Bing entirely but THE new boy in town duckduckgo is getting more attention and it is everything Googles search engine is not (privacy oriented) so yeah, I would not hold my breath if I was you.
DuckDuckGo was founded in 2008; hardly a "new boy"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo
 
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Lol - they just pulled a Qualcomm on google and Facebook. If you yourself are bullied, it’s only logical from the perspective of 3-year-old to bully someone else for satisfaction.

What a joke - I hope they know that Google doesn’t let itself be bullied. That’s going to backfire dramatically and will hurt Google (and Facebook) services on Android.

Honestly, if I were google, I’d immediately have pulled the plug on google search on all iOS devices. I’m sure Bing would serve the fanbois just fine.

Bulling? You cant use Enterprise Certificate designed for internal usuage and app testing to distribute App outside the AppStore to the wider public. You just cant do that. Apple has the full right to pull the plug. Bulling is what you suggest - pulling the plug on google search for no reason. BTW, you are troll and that is more than aparent.
 
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Perhaps read this:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/...ces-and-that-was-the-wrong-move/#52e96e8b63a9

It was Google that wasn't willing to bend to Apple that resulted in Apple having to do their own map service.

Any company who wages war with the Apple ecosystem wages war with me as a consumer.

I use Apple maps exclusively, don’t even have google maps installed on my iOS devices, and it’s staying that way.

In the end, it all comes down to leverage. Apple has the strength to stand up to foes like google and Facebook and this is precisely why I pay to use Apple devices. You are most definitely not going to see the same sort of oversight on android.
 
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