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I’d still be a little wary. Although the silicon appears impressive we dont know how load over time is dealt with. The architecture of the chip is significantly different in comparison to the normal train of thought (when it comes to chip design) that it may possibly be that the some quirk of the m1 layout might make it better at performing with these short workloads. Not saying that the performance isn’t real, just don’t assume because a handful of geek benches show it as powerful that it actually is.
Those who remember the g4/5 days know what I mean. Apple was good at demonstrating superiority that actual users were often unable to reproduce in normal workloads. I’d wait for actual reviews from trusted sources before buying into the hype.

The architecture of the chip is squarely dead center of the normal train of thought when it comes to chip design. What are you talking about?
 
Real surprise for me is how close the non-virtual M1 scores of the mini, pro and air (the first 3 scores). Have Apple released an Air that's as fast as the Macbook pro? No throttling in benchmarks? Looking forward to the reviews!!!
 
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How the heck is Apple so far ahead in performance? It's incredible how much of a lead they have it's like alien technology.
I said it in another article's comment: Legacy support. Apple was able to shed all the x86 legacy BS and focus on just what's needed for today's OS and apps. Intel and AMD have to maintain compatibility with a slew of antiquated technologies.
 
As a tech enthusiast but someone who doesn't necessarily understand the finer side of this kind of thing, can anyone confirm if my understanding is correct—the M1 in the lowest type of configuration (a MacBook Air), emulating Intel-based macOS applications, performs better than the best high-end Intel iMac running x86 natively?

Is there a way to see how the iMac Pro and Mac Pro perform compared to the computers in the graphic?
 
But what are all the Apple-haters and Me-doubters going to complain about if that’s the case?

Oh, I know. They’ll fall back to “but it doesn’t virtualize x86.”

Anyway, that’s actually more of a Rosetta-speed hit than I expected, but we’ll see when we get real world data.

Either that or you don't know what "doubt" means or, very likely can't simply handle criticism of Apple.

There's nothing wrong, at all, with doubting a company or someone. There's still plenty of doubt to be had.

Further, failing to virtualize x86 is not insignificant. Software, in the real world, isn't always $0.99 from the store on Macs. It can be very expensive. Asking people to pay for it twice? That's.. a tough pill to swallow and Apple needs to offer something huge in return. Or risk people jumping to Microsoft.

When you force people to jump into a new ecosystem -- then their options to jump into ANY ecosystem because possible and reasonable. It's a very risky move.
 
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But what are all the Apple-haters and Me-doubters going to complain about if that’s the case?

Oh, I know. They’ll fall back to “but it doesn’t virtualize x86.”

I’m definitely not an apple hater and these M1s look genuinely amazing. But, I rely on an x86 windows app for work. Currently use Parallels for it. Something will have to give when I next need a new computer.
 
As a tech enthusiast but someone who doesn't necessarily understand the finer side of this kind of thing, can anyone confirm if my understanding is correct—the M1 in the lowest type of configuration (a MacBook Air), emulating Intel-based macOS applications, performs better than the best high-end Intel iMac running x86 natively?

Is there a way to see how the iMac Pro and Mac Pro perform compared to the computers in the graphic?
Yes, that’s what this is saying. At least In this single core benchmark.

Visit here https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks

And you can tab between single and multi core results to find the mac you want to compare to
 
I’m definitely not an apple hater and these M1s look genuinely amazing. But, I rely on an x86 windows app for work. Currently use Parallels for it. Something will have to give when I next need a new computer.

If you need windows, then you will eventually likely need a windows machine. Luckily for Apple, only 1% of users use bootcamp, and something like 5% use VMs, so even if they lose those customers, they will more than make up for it with new buyers who want to run iOS software on their laptop or desktop.
 
The architecture of the chip is squarely dead center of the normal train of thought when it comes to chip design. What are you talking about?
Granted I’m no designer but isn’t the big difference that the AS chip is using vertical layers and a SoC vs opposed to a taditional layout across a pcb board?

curious to your thoughts with your background
 
Granted I’m no designer but isn’t the big difference that the AS chip is using vertical layers and a SoC vs opposed to a taditional layout across a pcb board?
No. And that’s not an issue of CPU architecture, anyway. That’s just CPU packaging.

There’s really little difference between how typical x86 parts and Apple’s parts are packaged.

And I’m not sure what you mean by vertical layers - if you mean stacked chips then, no, Apple is not doing that. The RAM chips in the SoC package (which are the only other chips in the package) are lateral, on the same plane as the SoC.
 
The architecture of the chip is squarely dead center of the normal train of thought when it comes to chip design. What are you talking about?
How about the width compared to other silicon (and yes, I’m aware x86 struggles on width due to its instruction set baggage), the massive reorder buffer, the large number of dedicated units for processing or accelerating single tasks in parallel with the cpu, the on die memory? There are other deviations too, but then again you can easily educate yourself on that if you so wish without me spouting off about it. There are large deviations in this chip from the normal train of thought and standard processor design. But feel free to inform me of chips that have this style of architecture if you know of any, I’m happy to see hard facts.
 
Further, failing to virtualize x86 is not insignificant. Software, in the real world, isn't always $0.99 from the store on Macs. It can be very expensive. Asking people to pay for it twice? That's.. a tough pill to swallow and Apple needs to offer something huge in return. Or risk people jumping to Microsoft.

When you force people to jump into a new ecosystem -- then their options to jump into ANY ecosystem because possible and reasonable. It's a very risky move.

With respect, if running Windows applications (which is what we're really talking here, either via VM or BC) was so important, Mac sales would have risen a lot higher with the switch to Intel than they did.

Yes, running Windows applications is important to some people - and I am one of them. I've installed Boot Camp because of WFH rules to make it easier to do so, but I have an iMac 5K for all the reasons other than that. If I needed to run Windows software all the time, I would not have a Mac - PC OEMs just do it better for less, frankly. It's why I have a dedicated Windows gaming machine - it proved to be a much better value than trying to upgrade my iMac 5K every 1-2 years for a (slightly better) GPU.

Even with my reliance on Windows apps, I am very excited to see what the ASi large screen iMac looks like and really don't want to replace my 2017 iMac 5K with another Intel iMac as I believe an ASi one will be better in so many ways.
 
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