Apple Silicon Mac Pro Reportedly Not Coming at WWDC, Mac Studio Refresh Likely Delayed Until M3

[gugy]

I used to have an MP and switched to the MBP M1 Max. I'm happy about it but I damn want a new 32"+ XDR display. Bring it!

 

[Kierkegaarden]

Where is a current Mac with more than 128GB of RAM? This is what I need. Plus the GPUs do not compete with NVIDIA cards at all which locks out a LOT of professional workflow. Why do you think I still use Intel and NVIDIA setups? I want to get rid of Windows, I cannot stand it.

I understand. The term “professional” is subjective — most I would classify as such would probably be satisfied with what is currently available, but it sounds like your needs go far beyond that. The good news is that it may be Apple doesn’t want to rush a flagship product and maybe rethink their strategy a bit. What kind of work are you doing that you think the current Macs can’t handle?

 

[alexanderwolf]

These delays are kind of crazy in regards to the Pro launch. Although selfishly I don’t hate the idea that my Mac Studio with M1 Ultra will still be among the best you can buy from Apple for a while longer. I’m still impressed with its performance nearly every day! Most of the apps I professionally use still aren’t even remotely optimized for it, so and M2 ultra would only further be overkill.

 

[bmot]

He added that the next-generation Mac Studio will likely not contain M2-series chips, with Apple postponing a refresh of the device until the M3 generation to avoid cannibalizing the new Mac Pro.

I call this BS. If you are not able to keep your products on track with your own chip improvements that is one issue. If you are worried one of your products is cannibalizing another then get your product lineup straight. Even if one of those reasons is true it does not shine a good light on Apple’s product structure.

 

[Zeke92]

Really goes to shows how poorly thought out the entire Apple silicon transition was.

lol what? largely the transition has been seamless and results have been amazing. These apple silicon chips are amazing. Taking a longer time to engineer something isn't poor planning. Planning and actually engineering are very different.

 

[Boil]

Oh... My... Gawd...

SO much FUD in this thread...

Gurman sez... And everyone derides him as being an idiot...

But then Gurman sez... And everyone praises him for speaking the Gospel...

I'm going to hold fast...

ASi Mac Pro / N3B process / A17 cores / WWDC 2023...

 

[bombardier10]

This is my new MacPro with Intel i9-13900K

 

[Zeke92]

Love how Apple fanboys complained about the slow update cadence for Intel chips and now face the same problem with Apple chips. Now you have slow updates and loss of mainstream Microsoft capabilities.

I guess with bootcamp yes. But parallels with windows 11 works flawlessly

 

[avkills]

I understand. The term “professional” is subjective — most I would classify as such would probably be satisfied with what is currently available, but it sounds like your needs go far beyond that. The good news is that it may be Apple doesn’t want to rush a flagship product and maybe rethink their strategy a bit. What kind of work are you doing that you think the current Macs can’t handle?

Virtual Production is practically a dead end on the Mac since most of the back end stuff just does not work on the Mac; I know I have tried.

Designing motion graphics for massive LED displays requires a boat load of RAM and VRAM. My 2019 is an entirely different machine going from 32GB of RAM to 240GB.

Everyone's biggest gripe is the lack of a road map. Just the slightest hint of what Apple has planned would be helpful. The stalling by Apple could be the last nail in the coffin for many. For the initial spend on the 2019 Mac Pro, Apple needs to continue support; and dare I say release AMD W7xxx MPX GPU modules.

My personal thought is that Apple should release a new Mac Pro around the latest Xeon and also offer a motherboard swap option for current 2019 Mac Pro owners. Doing this would allow them the time needed to really hone and perfect what they need to do with Apple Silicon to truly compete within the workstation market.

 

[SpotOnT]

I wish they would just update the Mac Studio with M2 wile they get the Mac Pro fully sorted out.

 

[avkills]

This is my new MacPro with Intel i9-13900K

This is the sad part; and it happened with the trashcan also. Nobody should be able to build a hackintosh that outperforms the top end Mac Pro by that large of a margin.

 

[DavidSchaub]

Without reading the whole thread so it might have been mentioned, I think Apple either has to do the following.

A - separate the CPU, GPU & RAM onto separate upgradeable modules

or

B - make multiple sockets/slots for multiple SoC's to be populated later if the user chooses to expand, and commit to at least a next generation upgrade support for the chassis/logic board.

I would be surprised by either happening.

If Apple can get a 4x M* Max working ("M3 Quadra", or whatever), I expect they will consider that enough; Include a PCIe bridge chip so you can put in a pile of cards (GPUs for software acceleration not video out, plus lots of other niche hardware, etc...) and call it a day.

If it is initially limited to an M* Ultra... hopefully that limitation is only for one generation.

 

[Serqetry]

He added that the next-generation Mac Studio will likely not contain M2-series chips, with Apple postponing a refresh of the device until the M3 generation to avoid cannibalizing the new Mac Pro.

There he goes again with this garbage nonsense he completely made up. This is so stupid I can't handle it.

Even if this absurd "cannibalizing" logic made any sense, Apple would update the Mac Studio with M2 and then give the Mac Pro M3, since it's supposedly not even going to be at WWDC.

I predict WWDC will give us M2 Mac Studios and no Mac Pros yet. I also predict Mark Gurman will say this right before WWDC and everyone will praise his amazing track record.

 

[Serqetry]

Gurman keeps saying this, that the 15" Air is coming at WWDC with M2, followed a few months later by the 13" Air with M3. That just makes no sense. Why would they not just wait until the fall to launch them both with M3? Why make it so the larger Air is "behind" the smaller one?

Unfortunately I also learned that sometimes the most disappointing rumors end up being true...

Nah, all his rumors are just too dumb right now to be true. And you can tell by his wording he really has no idea, he is just making this up.

 

[smoking monkey]

I think this was always going to happen. M1 was such a huge leap forward and really still amazingly good. M2 while better, won’t be anywhere near as good as M3 due the the 3nm chip. So if you can wait, definitely wait for M3. That doesn’t mean M2 machines are bad. I just think they won’t be value for money when they sit in between M1 and M3.

Edit- There is a rumor floating around that the 15 inch air will use M2 because Apple has surplus stock. I understand but I personally wouldn’t buy it unless you had to. In a fanless computer that big you want the far greater potential efficiency and cooling that a 3nm chip should bring.

 

[richinaus]

That would be a good idea cause the M3 will have Ray tracing hardware capabilities. Something that makes the difference in various content creation workflows. And if Mas wants to seriously compete with PC the have to be able to offer Super graphics performance.

that would be nice but I don’t see them offering anything superior to pcs when it comes to graphics.
Anyway hardware is one thing, the software is another……

 

[Rookbird¥]

Time to move back to x86 already?

I think the main reason why Apple silicon performance is so good and energy efficient is because they are using a 5nm process while Intel is stuck on a 10nm process. I think if Intel was using the same 5nm process with their chips that they would pass Apple in performance easily with about the same power.

 

[rb2112]

... but nothing is peaking my interest.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/pique-the-interest

 

[Darren.h]

Mac Studio M3 Max. Thats when I pull the trigger and BUY.

Screw the Mac Pro. Its a failed product and it will never sell. And Apple knows it.

 

[Rookbird¥]

Yeah, I think the MP has gone the way of AirPower. If the entire platform is built around everything being built in to an SoC, what is there to be modular?

And the biggest problem is Apple charges $200 just to upgrade memory by 8 GB. I just bought 64 GB of memory for my older Mac and paid $150. People used to not get too bothered by Apple’s crazy upgrade prices because they could just buy the base model and upgrade the SSD and memory themselves. Now that you have to pay Apple to get any kind of upgrades and because Apple is charging insane prices for those upgrades Apple is going to see a good drop in sales especially with the economy slowing down.

 

[Ethosik]

Mac Studio M3 Max. Thats when I pull the trigger and BUY.

Screw the Mac Pro. Its a failed product and it will never sell. And Apple knows it.

Then the macOS situation will never improve to what we have now. Macs lack a lot A LOT of software that is on Windows. Without any focus on the professional market, this will NEVER change. Macs will NEVER get better than what we have now. And this is coming from someone just sick to death of Windows garbage. But that is my only choice.

 

[tdar]

Mac Studio M3 Max. Thats when I pull the trigger and BUY.

Screw the Mac Pro. Its a failed product and it will never sell. And Apple knows it.

One of the problems that Apple won’t admit is that a large number of the real pros have already given up and gone to their choice of a x86 workstation class system. I am with you on the Studio, that’s exactly what I want. If apple was to do that in a workstation, they would have to beat the Lenovo P630 with as many as 64 cores. Just upgrade the studio.

 

[Wanted797]

I wonder if Apple would ever consider appeasing the high end Pro market by selling licensed copies of a specific version of Mac OS Pro?

So they can build their own awesome customer pc and run Mac OS still.

 

[lovehateapple]

What a dud year for Macs.

This is the year of the AR / VR headset, lol. According to Gurman, Mac Pro could still come by December?

 

[Serqetry]

I wonder if Apple would ever consider appeasing the high end Pro market by selling licensed copies of a specific version of Mac OS Pro?

So they can build their own awesome customer pc and run Mac OS still.

No. Then it would be a janky hackintosh experience and not an Apple experience. It will never happen, but you're free to do it right now if you don't care about x86 MacOS support ending soon.