Do you notice those still capable 2015 and 2016 MacBook Pro’s that Apple says can’t run Ventura with unofficial hacks? Try taking one of those to Apple store and see what kinda response you get? If you think Apple is not gonna do the same with M1 MacBook Pro’s in a few years, think again. That’s why I said when Apple drops OS support, you at least have the choice of a Linux distribution you can keep using to still maintain capable hardware that Apple deeming not capable anymore. #tunnelvision
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I know WoW has a Metal client, unsure about Factorio, so that would explain the smooth experience. Most games running off some translation toolkit or emulation seem to offer varying experiences, but overall expectations to be able to play the latest titles acceptably should be low.
I understand what you are trying to say in this round-about way, but also what what people mean when they say obsolete - that it stops getting major OS upgrades.
I remember when my Macbook Pro Core 2 Duo suddenly didn't get OS upgrades anymore despite being a perfectly good computer. And after a while major web browsers stopped supporting the macOS version I was using on my dearly loved MBP. Fortunately I was able to install Ubuntu on it and continue to use the latest browsers.
Asahi Linux is getting there. I'm amazed that they have working openGL support at all given that Apple does not help with this at all (there is no documentation on how these things work internally). The fact that they've already achieved this and have been able to make it reasonably reliable means we will very likely see much improved support in the years to come.
For Asahi Linux, many of the hardest challenges have already been solved. As more people use it and the ecosystem grows, there will be more people to develop solutions for other sorts of things that come up. I really do think support will be reasonably good a few years down the line.
(And in 5+ years, when Apple starts rolling off support for the first M1 Macs, the user base for projects like Asahi will explode.)
I still have a 2006 Mac mini. I should see if I can do something similar.
No they don’t remote wipe it. They stop supporting it with software updates etc.
I'm happy about that now just waiting to see game developers actually adopt it. i'm looking for some real action games FPS etc not things like crossy road or pac man.
It's not even major OS updates, it's when the security updates stop too.
So the machine has to either come off the internet, or be stripped of any personal information, critical files, etc. Which means its fine for playing old games (if there are any) or looking up old tax records, or as a platform for undisturbed writing of the next great novel, but anything else, no.
Apple is a hardware company, they have no interest in extended service lives. The 2009 mini still works fine, but El Capitan is abandoned even by Firefox. But it still works fine and is fully supported on the current version of Mint Linux.
Of course the big insult was that Apple wrote a Metal driver for the 2012 Mac mini's HD 4000 graphics, but not for the 2012 Mac Pro's standard Radeon 5770 video card. You had to upgrade to a better card, and they abandoned that at Catalina. For the price of Mac Pros the 2012 should have been supported until Monterey. Cheapskates.
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Tell us you have no clue how the real world works without telling us you have no clue how the real world works.
In my experience by the time they get their last OS update they are already running a bit sluggish on that. Combine that with the fact that Apple literally has a list of products they add to "vintage" and "obsolete" categories and your argument makes no sense. Apple categorizes anything as "obsolete" if it has been discontinued for at least 7 years. It's their own designation that they use publicly.
It's definitely not a good idea to use hardware that stops receiving security patches. However, if the open source community keeps updating Linux for the Mac hardware, then it can give it a longer lifespan. Could also use it to run server software, etc.
From Alyssa Rosenzweig on the OpenGL ES 3.1 progress on Apple Silicon:
Who is this manufacturer? This big corporation that they beat?
Nonetheless, the work that they have done over the past two years to reverse engineer M1/M2 graphics and create a comformant 3D driver is very impressive. Seems like they have done what Apple itself should have done. But of course, Apple is focused on macOS, not Linux or Windows.
Who is this manufacturer? This big corporation that they beat?
Nonetheless, the work that they have done over the past two years to reverse engineer M1/M2 graphics and create a comformant 3D driver is very impressive. Seems like they have done what Apple itself should have done. But of course, Apple is focused on macOS, not Linux or Windows.
Some day, the then-curent macOS will not run on the M1. So you will be forced to run an older OS. The older OS will not support the apps you want to run. When a computer can not run the apps you want to run, we call it "obsolete".
Yes the old M1 will still run the old software. I actually have a working Mac (Apple called it a "512k Mac" that runs OS 3. I don't use it because while it still works it is obsolete. I don't think it even has a web browser, as browsers were not common back in those days.
An obsolete computer is one that will not run the software you want to run. The M1 might be obsolete is 6 years.
More interested in using the M1 as a web server with no macOS installed, I'm assuming that can be done now.
I do daily, although I have chosen to do so virtualized so that I can use macOS at the same time.
Everything else ≠ games.
I rely on Drafts, Pastebot, Pages, BBEdit, Keynote and FCP to name just a few, and they all run fine in macOS and not at all on other platforms.
Don’t be obtuse, it’s pretty clear in context that the poster you’re replying to means when Apple drops new OS support
Thanks for stating this I was thinking, “if you’re running Linux on current Apple hardware you’re doing it wrong,” but the M1 is already “old” by some measurements and won’t be supported by MacOS forever. Now I get it.
If it’s a core solo or og core duo swap out the CPU for a core 2 duo, pretty easy upgrade and it’ll get you 64 bit support. Swap the drive for an SSD and max the ram and it’ll run ubuntu et al surprisingly well
I really want some cool gaming brought to the Mac. It seems to be going backwards. All that there is these days is Nintendo style kiddy games in my opinion.
Did you seriously call Nintendo games "kiddy?"
Metroid and Bayonetta are right there lmao.
does this work using virtualbox? if no one knows, I'll be reporting back soon with that info!
Well on Linux you have access to Steam Proton so pretty much everything. If it's Deck Verified, it's gonna run.
Use ProtonDB for reference to see how your favorite game works on Linux https://www.protondb.com/