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What is the difference between me downloading external apps on my Mac vs on my iPhone? Why would I get a gigantic warning of death on my iPhone for downloading the same app I downloaded on my Mac, but not on the Mac? Logically speaking, this doesn’t make any sense.

If I can download Spotify externally from my Mac without issue or warnings my identity eill be stolen, why is there all of a sudden such a big fuss on iPhone?
The difference is a 30% tax from a$$le...

Greed at the maximum level!
 
Choice is pro-consumer.

A choice to have an open platform where you have full and maximum choices (Android) or a closed platform where the user experience is simplified by having minimal choice is great.

Making iOS like Android reduces choice.

Epic to their credit have two payment options in Fortnite: 1 that links to the Epic Store at a lower price and one that uses the Apple system at a higher price. Buyers can vote with their wallets.

A user should be able to have a platform choice where there's only 1 way to purchase digital goods inside apps.

without those developers it has no platform.

It's mutually beneficial relationship. Apple benefits from developers just as much as developers benefits from Apple's platform. And you have a choice to not develop for Apple platforms.
 
How is that different than my Mac Mini and MacBook where I can both download and pay for apps OUTSIDE of the App Store using Apple's OS? Your logic makes no sense.
The Mac has always been an open OS. iOS has always been closed. Apple is allowed to have different rules for different products, especially when one product has 2 billion users and the other has 150 million, making the former a much greater target for bad actors.
 
For knowing before I buy an app that the app may use insecure methods to handle payments? COMEDY.
If you say "don't buy a$$le phone if you don't like this store" I could say "don't buy an app if you believe the payment to be insecure".

PS do you shop on Amazon?
 
Good. Consumers deserve to know whether or not the app they're downloading is going to be insecure and/or frustrating to use. Epic deserves this.

Anyone who is against this is clearly not being objective. This is pro-consumer.
Sorry consumer or Epic? How can you judge the a$$le payment more secure than somebody else?
 
It is absolutely not “funded entirely by the $100/year developer fee”. The $100 fee was set with the idea that paid apps subsidize the free ones.
Isn't that a contradiction? Free apps still pay the $100.

The 30% commission was decided upon because it was what Apple charged the music industry for iTunes purchases. But none of the music on iTunes was/is free.

The fact they're fighting tooth and nail for this income stream tells us it is not just about operating costs, as they have plenty of income to swallow that elsewhere.

They've just gotten too big and blind to the value of their developers (and I'm not a developer). They could magic away all of their lawsuits in one day by just running the App Store at cost, as Phil Schiller suggested.
 
It’s your phone, but not your OS or your App Store.
Yes thanks Tim Cook for the courage of having a monopolistic 30% Apple Store with a warning logo like you are downloading a virus just to avoid the 30% cut of the richest company in the world. Surely it's all about privacy and courage. There is no greed or abuse of power at all, surely.

We should ask Microsoft and Google to put big fatty warnings whenever we buy anything without giving them 30% on their OS so they can protect us better.

More seriously, people defending those practices or advicing to just buy from a different brand are not pro-consumers or pro-safety whatever BS, they are just clueless.
 
Ridiculous. Especially since this this is about money not privacy or security. I like what Gruber wrote:

The uncompetitive nature of the App Store — I’m using uncompetitive rather than anticompetitive just to give Apple the benefit of the doubt here — has left at least some top Apple executives hopelessly naive about the state of online payments. It’s like when they still blather on about software being sold on discs inside boxes in physical retail stores. That was true. It was once relevant. It no longer is and hasn’t been for over a decade.

Same with payments. Online payments through, say, Stripe — which zillions of companies use — are completely private and secure today. Amazon payments are completely private and secure. I’m sure there remain sketchy corners of the Internet, but for the most part, all mainstream online payments today are private and secure. Apple’s IAP system has numerous advantages and user-centric features. (If Apple were actively competing, it would have many more.) But the fact that it’s “private and secure” is no longer distinguishing at all.
 
Should Apple pop this message up when you buy a stapler from the Amazon app?
The message is visible when downloading the Amazon app from the iOS App Store, not when purchasing an item from the app.
And should it pop up when you buy it from Amazon in Safari on the Mac too?
Yes if you are downloading the app from the Mac App Store, but not it you are visiting a website or downloading an app from a company website.
 
Thats a load of poppycock. They are conflating thentruth and using dirty tactics here.

BECAUSE the payment itself and its functioning has very little with Apple’s privacy focused mindset or ideals. Because payments online firstly are secure in the first place. And if you are swindled, you get your money back from the card issuer or your bank. Any payment via any of your cards via Apple Pay will also be required by law to state what you bought, what amount, what time, to whom. Every detail Apple here claims are a danger to your privacy, they are by law required to show everyone involved in the transaction.

This is just scare tactics that works on my aunt.

There ARE reasons why it’s better for some to use Apple Pay, convenience is one. And Apple should be embarrassed for basically lying to their users. They should be better than this. And this sort of stuff is more likely to reduce trust in them.
 
Do you do not ever download apps for your PC or Mac outside an app store?!
Irrelevant. This alert is visible when downloading from the iOS App Store where the consumer assumption is that Apple handles payment; not when downloading from a 3rd party website where there is no assumption of that. Consumers have the right to know this detail of the App before they download it.
 
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Honestly I think there should be a big visible warning for apps allowing external purchases, consumers should be warned that the payments are outside of Apples control beforehand so they can make the decision of wether or not they want to take the risk that is involved.
But Apple’s in-app purchase doesn’t apply to non-digital goods. Is everyone at risk when they order an Uber or do Door Dash on their phone? Are they at risk when they buy a physical book from the Amazon app? It’s ridiculous. Of course Apple’s ‘scare screen’ can’t say if you leave this app to purchase you’re not paying us for use of our IP so they scare people about privacy and security instead.
 
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