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I want iOS to be more like the MacOS

Again. That's just reducing choice.
I've enjoyed as an open platform for the last 25 years.

Sounds like Android fits your bill!

Is having OSX, Linux, Windows and others all as open platforms bad for consumer choice?

Having zero closed platforms is literally reducing choice for the consumer. I think that's bad, yes.
 
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The Mac has always been an open OS. iOS has always been closed. Apple is allowed to have different rules for different products, especially when one product has 2 billion users and the other has 150 million, making the former a much greater target for bad actors.
iOS was only closed because they modelled the revenue and platform on the iPod. That was fine because iTunes purchases could be used on a Walkman. But they iPod was also a niche product until they opened up compatibility with other OSes (well, Windows) and its popularity exploded.

I can see where you're coming from with regards to consumer expectation, but its not like Apple's own option magically disappears. Imagine the backlash if they decided to operate the Mac as a closed platform!
 
If you say "don't buy a$$le phone if you don't like this store" I could say "don't buy an app if you believe the payment to be insecure".

Great. Luckily this disclosure on the app store makes it clear, don't buy an app if you don't like the app using a third party vendor. Sounds like you agree?
 
The Mac has always been an open OS. iOS has always been closed. Apple is allowed to have different rules for different products, especially when one product has 2 billion users and the other has 150 million, making the former a much greater target for bad actors.
So why then does Apple’s IAP on iOS only apply to digital goods? And only certain digital goods at that?
 
The Mac has always been an open OS. iOS has always been closed. Apple is allowed to have different rules for different products, especially when one product has 2 billion users and the other has 150 million, making the former a much greater target for bad actors.
No, no, no...you're missing the point. People use all sorts of excuses to support Apple's control but at the same time Apple is doing the exact opposite for Mac users and developers! History is not a legal precedent...if it were, monopolies could stay monopolies because, well, they were always monopolies.
 
There is also here clearly a mindset difference between USA and EU. Let’s all agree on that?

We don’t have, most of, your US problems with banks and payments. And you don’t trust how we trust government and our institutions and you feel violated by just the thought of many of the things we take for granted and appreciate.

I’m not saying which European country I’m from, but everyone can basically find my mobile phone number(s) online, my address, email, who else lives at my address, what my approximate yearly salary is, what my net worth is, what properties I own, what my house looks like, what cars I own, where I work, who I’m married to, what political positions or affiliations I might have, at what boards I might sit in, which stocks I own….and so forth.

Trust only works if its complete and if there isn’t complete trust, anything can be taken advantage of.

I’m not saying our way is the perfect way…but I rather have our negatives with how things are done.
 
Sounds like Android fits your bill!
Android is just as closed as iOS. Google put a lot of barriers in the way of sideloading and 3rd party stores might exist but they don't offer anything different to the Play Store. On iOS 3rd party stores let you do all sorts of cool stuff with your iPhone (which ironically is what Android can do out of the box)
 
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Whilst a tag to say "Does not use Apple's payment system" would be welcome and useful to inform users that they are going outside the Apple ecosystem, saying the app "does not support the App Store's private and secure payment system" suggests that the app instead uses a leaky, public and insecure payment system, which is not necessarily the case and probably isn't the case. The EU will certainly not like this, of course.
 
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Android is just as closed as iOS.

It's not. I've been able to install third party stores on my Android device since the beginning, running things Play Store does not allow.

Google put a lot of barriers

Barriers don't make it a closed system. Windows put plenty of barriers starting with Vista, but it's still considered an open platform because you can still install the software you want.
 
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I love how many comments are like, “Apple only cares about money.”

It’s a business, not some open source project.

Apple only cares about money, as they should. But their whole "aura" is that they are better than everyone else, care about the environment and rainbows and child labour and…..

It’s that they tend to pretend a tad much that they are saints, when they know they are not….
 
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Whilst a tag to say "Does not use Apple's payment system" would be welcome and useful to inform users that they are going outside the Apple ecosystem, saying the app "does not support the App Store's private and secure payment system" suggests that the app instead uses a leaky, public and insecure payment system, which is not necessarily the case and probably isn't the case. The EU will certainly not like this, of course.
I thought the judge’s ruling was that Apple can’t control the styling or location of the warning, just that it has to be displayed, so my assumption was that it will down in the details section where it lists things like in-app purchases.
 
Everyone who thinks payment outside of the app store is unsafe, how about paying with Apple Pay? App's could accept payment with Apple Pay and only pay the normal transaction charge and isn't that secure?
 
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