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Interestingly enough, this is also the first time AT&T didn't offer me an early upgrade for my contract since I bought the 4S. If they had, I would've bought a 5 with glee. I wonder how many people had the same thing happen.

Same with me, although it was because I switched to Verizon with the 4S. I can't upgrade until June.

I'm guessing a lot of the issues have to do with the new Lightning connector. You still can't find many devices with a built-in Lightning connector. If you have a mount in your car to serve as a GPS, that can be a problem.
 
That is because the iPhone 5 feels like the iPhone 4SS. It's been several years since the iPhone really felt like it changed in a fundamental way, from the 2G to the 3G, from the 3GS to the 4, and then...

And there are still hardware features to add to the iphone, and then there's all sorts of cutting edge functionality Apple should be trying to work in. Instead, it's just another phone that does the same things it did last year.

The Maps debacle didn't help sales either. I know three people who recently bought android phones because they heard maps was a mess. The droid models are chintzy and cheap by comparison, but they consider phones disposable so they don't really care that much.
 
When the iPhone 4 came out the 3g was REALLY showing it's age. We are at the point where the 5 is out and while not fast by any stretch the 3gs is still mostly capable with the current OS. The market is flooded with phones from all manufacturers and iOS market is flooded itself with capable phones. Yearly upgrade cycles, 2 year contracts, 100% markups and lack of innovation in the OS has stagnated the iphone market the past couple of years. The software has to sell the hardware and when 3 generation old hardware isn't dropped to it's knees by current software, something is wrong. And I'm not talking about what Apple loves to do with artificially limiting features to sale hardware but push the envelope a little bit.
 
Same with me, although it was because I switched to Verizon with the 4S. I can't upgrade until June.

I'm guessing a lot of the issues have to do with the new Lightning connector. You still can't find many devices with a built-in Lightning connector. If you have a mount in your car to serve as a GPS, that can be a problem.

I think both of your points play a huge factor in this whole ordeal. Alot of people were in your situation and the same will be true with the 5s.
 
Wow

Just talked to a few broker friends in NY and they said that Apple could drop so far and quickly tomorrow that trading on the stock might have to be suspended. Gonna be VERY rough tomorrow.....:eek:
 
It's really simple.

iOS and tiny screens are becoming irrelevant.

Also, many are waiting for a Jailbreak.

All of this is Apple not listening to what consumers want.

Irrelevant to who? You? You count for the mass market? Right you don't. A TON of people just just now jumped on the iPhone. I've seen tons of market research data to prove this point. Personally am a marketing exec. The iPhone has plenty of growth ahead of it.. How? Guess. Good marketing people don't market to themselves and their likes and wants. Aka it's called their core... Apple has grown way past it's core. Core Apple users will be enticed by NEW products not by upgrades. Get it? If your saying Apple should join the race to bigger -- which will ultimately turn to totally impractical then your lame as your statement itself. Apple constricted its internals -- you must have missed that.. Yea the iPhone AND the iPads sizes were reduced - a screen that needs a purse will never ever prevail -
 
I'm so sick of the doom and gloom crap. "This is a worry for Apple and it's investors!" Yes, because the cuts on orders for one of the many products is going to make the company tank. Apple could stop selling phones and focus on computers / iPods / Pads and be perfectly fine. They won't, but they could.

Apple is a prestige company, that being said, I doubt we'll see a cheaper iPhone -- if a "cheaper" iPhone was to be released, it would definitely be same quality, just old internals etc. But I doubt that will happen. People say that you pay more for Apple because of the brand, and you DO! They wouldn't want to ruin that by slapping a cheap product on the market just for market share. People buy Apple over other products because being seen with an iPhone is great, it's keeping up with the Jones'. No one else has that right now in the electronics industry. I don't look at some guy's Kindle and drool, even though he claims to have better internals.

As far as this
It's really simple.

iOS and tiny screens are becoming irrelevant.

Also, many are waiting for a Jailbreak.

All of this is Apple not listening to what consumers want.

Apple is notorious for NOT listening to consumers, and making sure the product is great -- according to Apple. Consumers think they know what they want, but they don't. Personally, a bigger screen would be a turn-off for me. I want my phone to fit in my pocket. I think all these morons buying Otter Boxes and crap need to just buy cheaper phones that they can afford to repair. I pay premium price for a great product, but also for branding. You may think that I'm crazy, but everyone does it at some point and in some hobby, be it cars, electronics, Magic Cards... you get the idea.

If you are saying that you are representing consumers in your post, you must be saying that I am not one. Because I don't agree with any of your statements. I hate jailbreaks (they're garbage for the OS), big screens make you look stupid, and iOS is still the best Mobile OS to date not only in user experience but also in availability of Apps and the network.
 
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Probably because people feel the alternatives offer a better value proposition... like MicroSD and NFC (and to some extent a "fresh" GUI).

The next iPhone or the one after (iPhone 6) really needs to be aggressive or else Apple's marketshare will continue to dwindle and will be in jeopardy of becoming the next RIM.

1. You noticed, that more and more Android devices get rid of the MicroSD slot and just use internal memory like Apple has been doing since 2007, didn't you?

2. You do know that Apple doesn't care for marketshare, don't you?

Apple has 120 billion dollars, if they wanted marketshare, they could give out 300 millionen iPhone 5 devices (if they cost 400$ to make) FOR FREE!
That would burn all their money, but they would have doubled the number of iPhones in use.

3. You do know, that 120 billion dollars can support Apple's operations for 9 more years, don't you?

If they stopped selling ANYTHING tomorrow - they would have to shut down in the beginning of 2022!
If i am not mistaken, that includes even the Apple Stores - which of course would be closed if they fail to sell anything for two years - so expect an even longer timeframe before Apple would have to shut down.

Like 11 or 12 years.

The 11 or 12 years since the release of the iPod and iMac G4, the timeframe in which iPod, iPhone, iPad, MacBook Air have been released.

Saying that Apple will be like RIM in the foreseeable future is...not very clever.


Take for example, Apple's 6 year total rejection of the professional graphics market that needs matte or anti-glare screens on its desktop equipment. Do you realise that Apple - as a major supplier of a worldwide OS -- does not provide ANY desktop hardware that has an anti-glare screen.

A professional EIZO monitor costs as much as an 27" iMac, so Apple will never get any professional user to buy a Thunderbolt-display to replace their Eizos, even if they add an anti-glare screen.
 
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I've never owned those big Samsung phones, however, I did have an opportunity to use the Note 2. Despite all the better configuration(at least on paper I'm guessing) and bigger screen, I never felt I was holding a premium phone. It felt like just another phone. This has never been the case with my iPhone 4 or iPad 2 (I'll be upgrading soon).
 
Irrelevant to who? You? You count for the mass market? Right you don't. A TON of people just just now jumped on the iPhone. I've seen tons of market research data to prove this point. Personally am a marketing exec. The iPhone has plenty of growth ahead of it.. How? Guess. Good marketing people don't market to themselves and their likes and wants. Aka it's called their core... Apple has grown way past it's core. Core Apple users will be enticed by NEW products not by upgrades. Get it? If your saying Apple should join the race to bigger -- which will ultimately turn to totally impractical then your lame as your statement itself. Apple constricted its internals -- you must have missed that.. Yea the iPhone AND the iPads sizes were reduced - a screen that needs a purse will never ever prevail -

That was.... HILARIOUS !

Reminds me of a certain interview I just saw.

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" 1776 will commence again if you try to take away our iPhones":mad::mad::mad:


:p:D
 
I don't know many iPhone users switching to android but a lot of android users going iPhone...
A lot of them have been women... They say android is as confusing as a pc and the iPhone is much easier to use...
 
I didn't upgrade to iPhone 5 mostly because of the Maps fiasco.
3 months after the iPhone launch the problem was mostly addressed by the release of Google Maps, but by that time, I had realized that there were not that much to be excited for the new iPhone, at least not enough to justify upgrading from my perfectly functioning iPhone 4.

And I would assume that there's a lot of iPhone 4/4S users in the same position, which would explain weaker demand for iPhone 5. iPhone 5's main new feature is its slightly bigger and better screen; the faster chip is nice if you're into high quality 3D games (something that Android hasn't) but the improved camera comes with its own issues (purple haze) and the new OS features are minor -not always necessary- tweaks (Passbook, Facebook integration, call decline).

The OS UI has been basically the same since 2007, and the latest updates were mostly about adding more of that tasteless skeuomorphic design.

I really hope for Apple that they step up their game and make the next iPhone something that current iPhone owners can look forward to.
 
Well thats not a wonder. And I remember I stated it would be like this when the iPhone 5 was launched. It's boring for custumors, cos it's just the same looking phone all over again. Laying our 4S near our 5, it looks like the same phone. That dont work. People want NEWS or nothing.

Love my iPhone and my Samsung Galaxy Note 2 is beeing used less again, but iOS and iPhone must evolve. Or it's soon just "Do you remember back when Apple did a great phone? Where did that go?"

If they want to sell again. They must reinvent and come with new features.

The Galaxy has some features that are quite empressing. It does all iPhone does. What I miss with the Galaxy is the "touch top to scroll all up" ... Thats it. For example. If you are holding your Galaxy and you stare at it while reading, it wont go dark cos it follows your eyes. If you tilt because you wanna lay on the site, the screen stays. It first rotates if you dont look at it.

iOS hasnt changes looks or functionality since 2007 ... So new features are only seen by us nerds :) ... Well MMS was a big NEWS on iPhone remember... Hmmmm :-/ But was fun. You had a 1000$ phone and couldnt do basic things. That has changed. And now you can do everything.

Funny thing on this site is. Say something bad and you get flamed and warned by moderators - and that for beeing right. N. Korea here ? :-O

Would love to see a new iPhone that would blow me away.
 
Apple needs to go back to the early SJ model of keeping very tight control on unreleased product information. I know of one friend who was toying her upgrade to 5 but held back because a bunch of friends telling her that the 5S is coming (in March). These grossly exaggerated information don't help. Further, I think Apple needs to reconsider the material they use. Black iPhone 5's lack of scratch resistance in many ways has severely affected the reputation of 5. A very unfortunate situation.

You can't completely halt rumors. I'd be surprised if we see a 5S in March. Even if it happens, I think you're overstating the osbourne effect here.

Those of you old enough to remember Apple's 1st era of market dominance in the early 90's, before it fell off the cliff of near bankruptcy, only to be saved by Steve Jobs' return --- this will feel all too familiar: Apple pioneers a new market segment, dominates market, refuses to budge on price. A competitor comes out with an inferior but widely-licensed product (then, Microsoft/IBM), and gradually Apple loses market share to the point of obscurity.

All this stuff of Phil Schiller's -- "we're not going to reduce price to compromise quality" -- is the same tape recorder as Apple's approach in the late 80's, when Apple did not see it coming. Apple did not see it coming then, and Apple does not see it coming now.

The $120 billion cash pile perhaps makes Apple less vulnerable, but, as you can see from RIM Blackberry, a cash pile will prolong the torture as the victim dies a slow rather than quick death, but a cash pile cannot save you when the market says, "Hey, iPhones aren't cool anymore." That is the point of the death spiral, when a sufficient critical mass says, "Hey, Apple's not cool anymore".

And don't anyone say that's not possible.

Apple's biggest problem (also a big success) is most likely that they're very tied to the success of of a small product line. They've shown enormous growth in a very specific market that has greatly outpaced the rest of their products. It just means that for the moment they're tied to the success of the iphone as opposed to it being a part of a broader overall strategy. That must be stressful.
 
Good news in a weird way (unless you're a stock holder :) ).... Now they know they cant just rest on their laurels. Time to give us something revolutionary, not evolutionary.

I still have my 3GS and nothing that has come out since has given me the need to upgrade. Thats not good for Apple as i'm sure i'm not alone.
 
I don't buy it.

The phone has only just arrived in Malaysia and no one can keep them in stock. Waiting lists are still 3-4 weeks from the time of the order.
 
You can't completely halt rumors. I'd be surprised if we see a 5S in March. Even if it happens, I think you're overstating the osbourne effect here.



Apple's biggest problem is most likely that they're very tied to the success of of a small product line. They've shown enormous growth in a very specific market that has greatly outpaced the rest of their products. It just means that for the moment they're tied to the success of the iphone as opposed to it being a part of a broader overall strategy. That must be stressful.

Let's think about this report a bit.. Do we really really buy into "reports" from suppliers "stating" a drop in orders "indicating" a drop in sales??

Seriously... ANY supplier who would leak this type of info if true -- if true -- would likely loose their contract due to a strict NDA.. C'mon people think about it. How could the same three suppliers all quite publicly state the same circumstances ?? This information is damaging and smells like a plant. No credible supplier of Apples no less would reveal info like this, even IF true. Could be real FUD
 
Good news in a weird way (unless you're a stock holder :) ).... Now they know they cant just rest on their laurels. Time to give us something revolutionary, not evolutionary.

I still have my 3GS and nothing that has come out since has given me the need to upgrade. Thats not good for Apple as i'm sure i'm not alone.

Obviously you haven't used..... anything else. I'd take my nokia over a 3GS
 
iPhone is losing market share??? You mean less people are buying plain cell phones and dumb phones.....
Going to carrier stores and getting android phones....
Verizon has its own droid brand.....so u know what they are gonna make them buy....
A friend got a Samsung blaze... That is an awful android phone....
All I see are people that just surf and text and make calls....
 
Irrelevant to who? You? You count for the mass market? Right you don't. A TON of people just just now jumped on the iPhone. I've seen tons of market research data to prove this point. Personally am a marketing exec. The iPhone has plenty of growth ahead of it.. How? Guess. Good marketing people don't market to themselves and their likes and wants. Aka it's called their core... Apple has grown way past it's core. Core Apple users will be enticed by NEW products not by upgrades. Get it? If your saying Apple should join the race to bigger -- which will ultimately turn to totally impractical then your lame as your statement itself. Apple constricted its internals -- you must have missed that.. Yea the iPhone AND the iPads sizes were reduced - a screen that needs a purse will never ever prevail -

Ah yes, the Kantar report that is purposely misinterpreted by Apple loyalists as to what it actually says mean while ignoring the ComScore report that directly contracts Kantar and to top that all off, Apple loyalists conveniently think the US market is the centre of the universe while ignoring the rest of the world where Apple is tanking like a rock. Would you like to know how well Apple is doing in Brazil?
 
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