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We can argue features and facts until our faces are blue. The reality is this...

With the iPhone 5, Apple released a product that a SIZABLE portion of previous iPhone owners simply don't want. Whether that be due to the dock connector change, or the easily damaged anodized case, or the inferior iOS 6 Maps app.

Apple has created a situation where a sizable portion of its fans are actually rooting for a product to fail.

THAT is a problem much larger than the specifics that caused the problem.

Mark
 
I would love for them to offer a smaller, 3.5-inch screen on the next update (5S?). For me, the screen is just too big to use comfortably. With the 3.5" I could hold it with one hand and had no problem using it. With the iPhone 5, I can't. I am REALLY hoping they don't make the screen any wider.

The only reason I bought the iPhone 5, in all honesty, is LTE. If Apple had offered an iPhone with LTE in the iPhone 4/4S form factor, I would have bought it in a heartbeat.
 
Everyone knowing it going to happen. Iphone 5 is no winner and it all because Apple too afraid to make big change because they think their lucky will run out. If Iphone 6 design flop like Iphone 5 they stock will go nose dive and if they walmart size stores start to losing money you will seeing panic. Wise thing is selling stock and count you blessing.
 
So to me Apple is facing a two-pronged affront by competition: not only is Android hardware getting better but the OS is getting better too. And at a faster rate than Apple.

Apple has always had this problem... being unable to keep up with the competition when it comes to software.

We're seeing this in OSX too - features are put into OSX much later than Windows, and some important features like iSCSI are still missing after several years.
 
A closer analogy would be changing the power connector on a 120-volt lamp and then telling the customer he needs to buy an additional adapter to plug the lamp into the wall.

As opposed to, say, using a ~100-year old connector technology the customer needs to buy (usually bundled but still an extra cost) an additional adapter to plug anything but a lamp into the wall. I've got boxfuls of such adapters.

The 120v AC standard power outlet is in dire need of updating. It's fine for high-voltage high-current motorized devices, but everything about it must then get modified by a "wall wart" or some such to drop the voltage to 1/20th, flatten out AC into DC, and mitigate max current draw to ~1% of capacity. Every outlet should include something like a power-only USB port (5v, 0.5A, DC) alongside, so we can just plug in any low-power delicate-electronics device (phones etc.) for charging without a "wall wart". (BTW: someone did a teardown of the "overpriced" 1" :apple: power cube vs cheap alternatives...there's a reason it's $30 vs the $5 knock-offs - one is robust & safe, while the other is dang near lethal.)
 
Apple still makes the best tablet and the best laptops. My wife quit using her windows laptop after she got her first ipad. She's now using the lte ipad. I wouldn't trade my macbook air for any windows laptop - and I've tried comprable ultrabooks. My work tablet is trash compared to my wife's ipad. But I would never consider giving up my galaxy skyrocket for an iphone.

If apple makes 2 sizes of tablets, why not make 2 sizes of phones?
 
Orders cut in half for the screens for the iPhone 5 = iPhone shuffle !

Orders cut for the screen used in both the 5 and the iPod Touch. The "Half" can't be confirmed until the call. The WSJ has removed the 65 Million units from their Stock Manipulating Story.

So, there are no facts in any numbers until the call. Just remember the iPod Touch uses the identical screen. ;)
 
We can argue features and facts until our faces are blue. The reality is this...

With the iPhone 5, Apple released a product that a SIZABLE portion of previous iPhone owners simply don't want. Whether that be due to the dock connector change, or the easily damaged anodized case, or the inferior iOS 6 Maps app.

Apple has created a situation where a sizable portion of its fans are actually rooting for a product to fail.

THAT is a problem much larger than the specifics that caused the problem.

Mark

I have the 4s. I would have gladly upgraded to the 5, but ATT only allows that every 2 years (unless you want to pay full retail) which I think is a crazy policy. Obviously I'll wait for the 5s or 6 now.

While in BestBuy I though I'd grab a ipad mini.....never in stock.

Really need a upgraded MacPro, been 3 years since they really made any substantial changes.

I think Apple has become their own worst enemy.
 
Elsewhere people have been noticing that apparently someone has been pulling numbers out of their arse. Like starting with a number of 65 million iPhones that Apple was supposed to have ordered for this quarter (which would have been a lot more than a good christmas quarter), a totally unrealistic number, and then going to a realistic number is made to look like a big drop.
 
Are you going to sincerely state that the scratches on your phone magically appeared without any interference from you or another object?

Like many others, I have obtained numerous scuffs and scratches on my iPhone 5's edges from no contact whatsoever. Apple made a poor choice with respect to how poorly the aluminum holds up.
 
Apple "borrowed" the GUI from Xerox... more like coerced a demo.

And in the words of Steve Jobs “good artists copy, great artists steal' - and we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas.”

So...

Not that again.
Read up before spewing. Xerox IP came along with cross financing agreements.

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or perhaps Apple should stop reusing the same design every year.. or expand their iphone catalog to include different types of iphones...

FINS! FINS I tell ya'. That's what they need to put on it!
 
2x RAM ? that's just another pointless spec, memory management on iOS is better than android. Samsung can stick in all the RAM they want, but this is getting to the point where it's like having 8GB RAM on a pc vs a 16GB RAM one, doesnt really mean much for average users.

But it does make a difference for some and comes in at the same price point or less than a comparative iPhone so the additional RAM is a boon.

wireless charging? not exactly wireless if I have to carry a huge inductive pad.

When they become ubiquitous and adhere to the Qi standard, you will no longer need to bring your own mat.

higher resolution screen? that's because it's bigger. Apple could stuff in a 1080p 4" screen, but the human eye doesnt notice the 400ppi anyway.

Firstly, a 16:9 1080p screen whose diagonal is 4 inches would have a PPI of 550.

Secondly, the 400+ PPI actually does make a difference in certain situations, such as:
- you hold the phone closer than the typical user does
- you have eyesight which is greater than 20:20; with 20:15 vision 400 PPI at a typical distance would be right on the threshold of Retina

File system? most android users I know didnt purchase an android device for that reason. As a matter of fact, they dont even know what it is.

The file system is amazing and useful. For example, I recorded my niece's Christmas play on my Galaxy S2 and the video files came to 6.3 GB :eek:. Because I had a cheap micro-USB to USB dongle (£0.70/$1) I was able to copy it to my USB stick in 12 mins via the file system ('DCIM' to 'UsbDriveA').

If I had recorded it on an iDevice, I would have had to have either uploaded it to the cloud or use Bluetooth which are both magnitudes more inefficient and time consuming.
 
We'll see a week from Wednesday, I guess. I'm a little suspicious, though the WSJ usually doesn't report shoddy news. The 5 was actually a massive upgrade, considering that LTE is a big deal. But if Samsung struck a nerve with the "bigger is better" theme then perhaps Apple will be forced to dumb its devices down to public demand. I hope not.

How is giving consumers what they want equal to "dumb its devices down"? Have you looked at some of the innovative features in Android smart phones? Have you held a Galaxy S3? I have, and I'll tell you - and I'm a big Apple fan and stockholder - Samsung is on to something with that large screen. The reason Apple simply made the iPhone 5 taller, but not wider, is because it required a minimum of re-engineering and otherwise software changes to accommodate the taller form factor.

Apple needs to hop on the large screen bandwagon and then take it to a new place, or it will become irrelevant in an industry that it helped spark. Hmmm... deja vu?
 
We can both see where he's coming from. Sure - scratches and damages don't appear without fault. But I and many others believe these scratches and imperfections happy way too easily.

Anodising aluminium is such a fundamental error and design flaw. I have no sympathy for people who dropped their iPhone 4/S and their screens suffered, they clearly weren't looking after their devices. But we should be at least be able to use our iPhones 5 without them being so EASILY damaged from daily uses.

Been using my IP5 without a case since day 1 and don't have a scratch on it.
Take care of your tools and stop bitching.
 
And your point is what? The word "phone" is nowadays used to describe "small mobile devices that can be used for voice and data communications". My original point stands.
Nope. You shouted PHONE as if we are talking about a simple phone. You didn't even write "smartPHONE". Just phone. (If anything SMARTphone would be better.)

In my opinion that is a naive way to look at the smartphone arena as it stands today. The "phone" part is becoming more and more irrelevant.





Michael
 
Maybe they are cutting back on displays because the "iPhone Nano" is coming out

That would be marvelous. Those of us who tote a tablet everywhere are not in need of an equally capable phone, we just want a separate phone. My late-model iPhone is nifty, but now I have to keep yet another device updated alongside the iPad. There's a lot to be said for a dumb phone, if only it could auto-sync a few basics with an iPad and make calls with :apple: UX sensibilities. Holding an iPad Nano to my ear just ain't right. An iPhone Shuffle (hold the "make random calls" jokes and add a subset of Siri) would be awesome.
 
Apple has a problem when many of us have

Google maps
Gmail app
YouTube
Google calendar
Google search

Basically apple is getting the short end of the stick

Even if you have all of those services on an iPhone - you still bought the iPhone.

Google is in the services/ads business whereas Apple is in the hardware business. Two different strategies - which leads to Apple being perfectly content with all of those services on an iPhone. Not ideal, but content.
 
Like many others, I have obtained numerous scuffs and scratches on my iPhone 5's edges from no contact whatsoever. Apple made a poor choice with respect to how poorly the aluminum holds up.

Are you stating that when you opened up your iPhone box, the phone had "numerous scuffs and scratches"

Or, again - are you implying that these scuffs and scratches magically materialized "from no contact whatsoever"

I will not argue about Apple's choice of materials and whether or not they were the right choice.

I will, however, feel free to doubt that the laws of physics cease to exist when it comes to your phone.

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Even if you have all of those services on an iPhone - you still bought the iPhone.

Google is in the services/ads business whereas Apple is in the hardware business. Two different strategies - which leads to Apple being perfectly content with all of those services on an iPhone. Not ideal, but content.

...until they bought Motorola's cell division...
 
Like many others, I have obtained numerous scuffs and scratches on my iPhone 5's edges from no contact whatsoever. Apple made a poor choice with respect to how poorly the aluminum holds up.

So you're saying that "numerous scuffs and scratches" appeared "from no contact whatsoever"?

So you are disappointed by Apple making a poor choice with respect to how poorly the aluminum holds up to.....invisible forces scuffing your phone?

It cracks me up the lengths people will go to to be disappointed in a device that isn't quite what they wanted or expected....
 
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