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Isn't it full of malware? The only kind of malware I know of is Android and Windows.
Sounds like you're talking about worldwide profits.
I was talking about the number of USA iPhone sales, which just by adding Verizon and Sprint, Apple had well over double the potential market size from the previous year.
I think we're on different topics
I don't know man, you say a lot of seemingly intelligent things without much substance. To say that doubling your sales is something that should be "expected" is about as funny as it gets.
Hahaha... Well I don't agree that the Android Marketplace is full of malware. I do believe it's easier to get malware into the Android Marketplace. Google doesn't rule with an iron-fist like Apple.
They probably should...
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/22_sms_malware_apps_reach_android_market_removed_b.php
http://techland.time.com/2011/12/02...arket-is-number-one-source-of-mobile-malware/
http://www.mobiledia.com/news/116835.html
Of course this might be FUD....
They probably should...
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/22_sms_malware_apps_reach_android_market_removed_b.php
http://techland.time.com/2011/12/02...arket-is-number-one-source-of-mobile-malware/
http://www.mobiledia.com/news/116835.html
Of course this might be FUD....
Hahaha... after using an iPhone carefree for years I've learned to appreciate the ability to install whatever I want without having to monitor my network or research an app.
Reports like the above remind me of XP's darkest days. I never had malware problems, but only because of constant vigilance. Letting someone else provide the vigilance feels really good.
What argument am I losing? How is Android not full of malware?
Should I pull out a pocket full of crickets? Oh wait that's your trick.
My Android experience has been awesome so far. I love using Firefox on it.
On the flip side, my iPhone downloads random non-explicit versions of songs instead of the explicit version on my Mac via iCloud/iTunes Match. Apple has no answer, but they gave me five song tokens to make up for the dozens of times I've been subjected to the wrong music. I guess that was supposed to make me happy.
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So, we have me and my happy friends, and you with your happy friends, right? Breathe in fresh air, and exhale the negativity.
On the flip side, my iPhone downloads random non-explicit versions of songs instead of the explicit version on my Mac via iCloud/iTunes Match. Apple has no answer, but they gave me five song tokens to make up for the dozens of times I've been subjected to the wrong music.
I guess that was supposed to make me happy.----------
The answer is that it's not full of malware. Do you have one, or are you spreading lies? Maybe if you had one, you'd realize it's not full of malware. I don't know of anyone personally that has a problem with their Android, either. More of my friends have ditched iPhones for Android, and they're happy, too.How is Android not full of malware?
So, we have me and my happy friends, and you with your happy friends, right? Breathe in fresh air, and exhale the negativity.
My Android experience has been awesome so far. I love using Firefox on it.
On the flip side, my iPhone downloads random non-explicit versions of songs instead of the explicit version on my Mac via iCloud/iTunes Match. Apple has no answer, but they gave me five song tokens to make up for the dozens of times I've been subjected to the wrong music.
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The answer is that it's not full of malware. Do you have one, or are you spreading lies? Maybe if you had one, you'd realize it's not full of malware. I don't know of anyone personally that has a problem with their Android, either. More of my friends have ditched iPhones for Android, and they're happy, too.
So, we have me and my happy friends, and you with your happy friends, right? Breathe in fresh air, and exhale the negativity.
Android is full of malware. To deny that is silly. Your anecdotal "my friends and I" does not mean malware isn't a threat or that no one is affected by it.
And you enjoy Firefox on Android?? Holy crap, you are easily impressed...that's easily the buggiest browser on android...you should try dolphin or opera
Well, whatever came with the phone wouldn't always work when I clicked a link. With Firefox it's faster, and no more problems. Not sure what malware you mean. Everything works. So, yeah, I'm denying any problems with my phone and the many apps I've installed on it... silly me!
I'll try other browsers. At least I have the ability to do so. My iPhone is stuck with what it comes with.
What problems have you had with Android? I'd like to know, so I can avoid them and learn from your mistakes.
What problems have you had with Android? I'd like to know, so I can avoid them and learn from your mistakes.
You fall into the category of new to smartphones because you're mesmerized by a smartphone thats not all that smart.
No, not irrational, just not objective because the're either new to smartphones and think iphones are the most capable smartphones, or loyal Apple fans that have never used anything but iphones.It would "almost be a miracle" if Apple didn't have the fourth largest quarter of any company in history? Talk about grading on a curve!
The old, preemptive "anyone who disagrees with me is ignorant or irrational" argument. Bravo.
Samsung just got Samsunged?
You missed the latest Samsung commercial making fun of iPhone owners it seems. There is a hipster Samsung guy who makes fun of the "losers" standing inline at an Apple store and one of the "losers" says: "we got Samsunged
". In a "we got owned" kind of way.
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Get Out, Retarded Ashtrayed Dog in The Wrong Place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why, Are Ya Here in The First Place??????
No One to Play With??????
Why Don't Ya Spend The Time More Constructive Way Instead of Trolling Apple's Site??????
Or Ya're The Kind of Cain's Race??????
Why, Are Ya Here in The First Place??????
No One to Play With??????
Why Don't Ya Spend The Time More Constructive Way Instead of Trolling Apple's Site??????
Or Ya're The Kind of Cain's Race??????
I don't own an Android phone. But I'm pretty sure I've read several articles that state that Google can and has remotely pulled apps just like Apple has.
Also - If you have Android on your phone and Windows (or OSX) on your computer - what are the odds that malware on ANDROID is going to infect the computer OS?
Apple is great at vetting apps. But they aren't infallible either. I'm not saying the marketplace isn't better than Android's. But there have been several apps that have EVENTUALLY been removed because of code/API violations. Sure - these aren't "malware" apps. But vetting is vetting. So it's clear that on some level - code isn't being scrutinized
How convenient. Back on the threads when OSX was vulnerable to malware (not virus) people on this forum WERE blaming the victims. This is no different.
I firmly believe that iOS is more secure and that Apple's vetting saves many people from having App issues. I, too, have read that there is a problem (note the lack of hyperbole) of malware in the Android marketplace.
At the same time - I don't know anyone PERSONALLY who has EVER had a problem with malware on their Android devices. And I know dozens ranging from the complete smartphone "newbie" to the techies of all techies.
My .02
44.8% of marketshare is bad? With any other product/industry 44.8% would be seen as awesome.
And really, it is the "victim" who's at fault. iOS is not more secure, it's secured differently. Apple have their human reviewers but Google implemented something different since they do not have a vetting process and the market is more open :
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/security/security.html#permissions
So basically when you install an app, it'll tell you what permissions this app is requesting if it's not something allowed by the app signature (the signature permissions are for app to app exchanges, basically, a developer requesting acccess to data inside another one of their apps) or by the user explicitly. Also note the text about it not nagging the user. You only need to tell that Note taking app once that you do not allow it to send data over the Internet or to poll your location.
So Android and iOS both have mecanisms in place that secure them from malware posing as legitimate applications. The problem is users are made responsible on Android and some of them just are too conditionned to click YES on everything, the same reason that malware managed to spread on OS X.
Umm, I'm not sure I'm reading you correctly.
Are you claiming that Verizon or Sprint customers could've used an iPhone in 4Q 2010?
Apple apparently expected it. They had ramped up 4S production so much ahead of time, they reportedly had to scale it back at one point.
Apple's US market potential jumped from ~80 million to ~210 million by adding Verizon and Sprint. That's 2.5 times the previous market size.
In 4Q 2010 ATT alone sold ~3.5 million iPhones, and those were all at least six month old models. There was no Verizon or Sprint model.
In 4Q 2011, the iPhone US carrier audience was over twice as big, PLUS there was a new model, and a large number of 3GS owners (at least 5 million, I'd say) ready to upgrade for a discount.
I've explained why it wasn't so surprising. Given all that information, what number would you have predicted? What amount would have not been surprising to you, and can you explain why?
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"Technically" speaking - they could have broken their contract and switched to ATT. Or they could have had a 2nd phone.
But how realistic/practical is that. I would say EXTREMELY slim. And only for the extreme die-hards who couldn't possibly wait. But if they were that die-hard, I am sure they switched before the 4S anyway.
LOL. So to recap, a market that allows any one with 25 dollars to publish a malware app with zero vetting is ok because everyone should understand what all the permissions mean?
Have you ever used an android phone? Here's an example of the crystal-clear permissions that everyone should understand for Cut the Rope, a simple game where you cut the rope:
YOUR LOCATION
COARSE (NETWORK-BASED) LOCATION
Access coarse location sources such as the cellular network database to determine an approximate device location, where available. Malicious applications can use this to determine approximately where you are.
NETWORK COMMUNICATION
FULL INTERNET ACCESS
Allows an application to create network sockets.
PHONE CALLS
READ PHONE STATE AND IDENTITY
Allows the application to access the phone features of the device. An application with this permission can determine the phone number and serial number of this phone, whether a call is active, the number that call is connected to and the like.
Clearly, all users must understand why Cut the Rope needs full internet access, your phone state and identity and your location...
Here's some of the crystal clear permissions for Handcent SMS, an SMS app:
READ SENSITIVE LOG DATA
Allows an application to read from the system's various log files. This allows it to discover general information about what you are doing with the device, potentially including personal or private information.
MODIFY GLOBAL SYSTEM SETTINGS
Allows an application to modify the system's settings data. Malicious applications can corrupt your system's configuration.
RETRIEVE RUNNING APPLICATIONS
Allows application to retrieve information about currently and recently running tasks. May allow malicious applications to discover private information about other applications.
So clear! I know my SMS app modifying my global system settings is what I always expected it to do!
Man, Google sure has some people wrapped around their fingers..."We'll create an "open" marketplace where anyone can publish anything, at anytime, we won't do any vetting, and we'll blame the victim if they don't understand the permissions!"...and they call iPhone users sheep...
Any simple intent in an Android app can set off a myriad of "permissions" that appear to be malicious and actually are not. Following your silly logic, people should not be installing any apps whatsoever on their phones because all of them have weird permissions...
Yes. You're claiming that if I wanted an iPhone in 4Q 2010, I was SOL because I had Verizon?
I think the point that you're missing is that there was no sudden "potential market" that they gained by adding Verizon and Sprint. Anyone in the US could have had an iPhone at anytime they wanted since 2007. You are making the incorrect claim that because they added Verizon and Sprint, that suddenly they opened up their iPhone to 210 million people that had no way of having one before that. Not sure how you don't see the flaw in your logic...
Suddenly the "everyone who wants an iPhone probably already has one" argument is being backtracked (not saying you said that)....convenient.
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He did say something similar before. I remember it because I replied to him arguing it was a ludicrous notion.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1305968/
In other words when the sales are merely great, it's because Apple "core" buyers who keep buying Apple products whereas Android is getting all these new customers. When Apple succeeds in an unprecedented fashion, it's "expected" that a company would succeed like that because, you know, adding a new carrier automatically boosts sale, even though the very same poster said Apple's mostly getting old Apple iPhone buyers instead of getting new customers.
Apple just cannot win with some people on this forum.
LOL, well there you go. Like I said, kdarling says a lot of seemingly intelligent things but when you analyze what he's saying he's just a walking contradiction.
Your logic is flawed thought because it assumes a lack of reality. Most people in contracts don't break them. Most people don't have service on more than one carrier. Most people who have discounts on one carrier and enjoy those benefits don't want to give those discounts up.
To imply that EVERYONE could just get an iPhone on ATT is technically true - but not realistic. Especially since there's been such an outrage against ATT's network. Or perhaps you failed to see how many posts there were about people not switching over to "ATT's crappy network" and that they can't wait for Verizon to carry the iPhone.
So yes - but offering the iPhone on other carriers - it opens up the market tremendously.
If we go by YOUR "argument" - everyone in the world could have had an iPhone because if you go overseas, you can get one unlocked and put it on any GSM network.
Technically correct. But again - not at ALL realistic.
No, I'm claiming that they could have bought the iPhone in 4Q 2010 (and switch to AT&T.) They were already part of the market.
Because they had a good product that they were confident of with unprecedented demand. Not because of some inevitability.
Again, the only change in the market size were the addition of potential customers who did not have access to AT&T, but do have access to Verizon or Sprint. That's only a small percentage of Verizon and Sprint customers. Not 130 million.
Maybe you are trying to say it wasn't surprising given how well Apple is executing. That's a far cry from "It would almost be a miracle if Apple's US sales share did not double from the year before..."
Where are all these accurate predictions of 4Q 2011 iPhone US sales prior to the iPhone 4S release? Considering how low the worldwide estimates by professional analysts and independents turned out to be, I have a feeling your going to have a hard time finding them.
http://fortunebrainstormtech.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/screen-shot-2012-01-24-at-9-16-50-pm.png
Apple beat every single prediction. And they have yet to launch the 4S in China.
I do respect kdarling for being a gentleman and usually making reasonable arguments. However as you've said, he's one of many here who is definitely slanted against the grain and be a contrarian whenever possible.
If the anti-Apple crowds here were more to be about the potential strategic pitfall of Apple without trying to resort to making overreaching arguments on how Apple isn't really all that successful.
Also if they really want to have a "neutral" conversation, why aren't they doing it on other non-Apple centric sites? If it's only to have the attention of Apple enthusiasts, that's in a good part trolling.