No, I would not think opening up to more carriers means that you are expected to double your share.
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No, I would not think opening up to more carriers means that you are expected to double your share.
Thanks that's the argument that kdarling was presenting. His words were more or less it would be a "miracle" if they didn't double their share.
Doubling. Perhaps not. But definitely a HUGE increase given Verizon and Sprint's user base and dare I say it - pent up demand. Not pent up demand for the iPhone 4s. I am saying that those who for one reason or another locked themselves in with their carrier of choice AND wanted the iPhone. Having it now available on the carrier they prefer definitely swings the gate WIDE open.
I never understood why they spend all of their time here (some having close to 28,000 posts) proudly displaying their various Windows systems in their signature. As Aresnio Hall used to say, "things that make you go hmmm...."
I never understood why they spend all of their time here (some having close to 28,000 posts) proudly displaying their various Windows systems in their signature. As Aresnio Hall used to say, "things that make you go hmmm...."
I don't understand trolling for the sake of trolling. I do understand that just because you own Apple products doesn't mean you're 100 percent pro-Apple. I have no idea what "percentage" pro you have to be to not be considered a "troll" on here. Maybe someone can enlighten me.
Also - someone might be completely windows based busy have an iPhone. or and iPod. Should they not be allowed to post? Should they be embarrassed to display what technology they own any more/less than those that list all their apple products? I'm just asking...
Also - as I asked you previously - what does it say about a person who doesn't own an iPhone (but rather an Android device) yet rants and raves about how awesome the iPhone and iOS and pretty much condemns Android and all of their devices. I'm curious what you think about such a person.
AT&T is the piece of the pie that disproves the theory that iPhone growth in the US was directly related to expanded carrier ability. I'm not sure what new or existing customers has to do with what I am discussing.
All smartphone activation growth at AT&T from 4Q2010 to 4Q2011: 27%
iPhone activation growth at AT&T from 4Q2010 to 4Q2011: 46%
What does it say about a person that repeatedly baggers another with incessant prattle?
What does it say about a person that repeatedly baggers another with incessant prattle?
Hello pot, this is the kettle.
Flawed logic. You assume that all phone buyers are geeks who care about the code. The reality is, most smartphone buyers choose a phone for the PHONE. In fact, as the iPhone has grown in popularity, I have come across quite a few iPhone owners who don't know what iOS is! When you get to the Android options (which are staggering), this fact is even more obvious - there is a huge difference between different phones running Android. Do you want more megapixels? A front-facing camera? Virtual keyboard? Physical keyboard? Accelerometer? Because with Android, every model is different and you have to shop for the features you want. Again, average (non-geek) buyers care about the phone MODEL not the OS.
then why do you feel compelled to continuously defend Android here?
You mean you don't know anyone who is AWARE that they have malware on their Android device. Big difference. Just as with PCs, many users drift thru life unaware that they are victims of malware. They just live sith slow interface response, slow processing time, occassional "glitches", etc. without knowing that it is due to malware running in the background.
According to cnet, there was a 4% likelihood of Android users encountering malware links in 2011. PC World blames the lack of security in the Android platform on "lack of high-level APIs for security developers, using an insecure Java-based virtual machine to execute apps, and a lack of trusted digital signatures for apps." They found that 63% of mobile malware attacks were on Android. They go on to say:
"Apple so far has done an excellent job of securing its devices; as we write this there were no reported cases of malware for iPhones that have not been jailbroken."(http://www.pcworld.com/article/245380/ios_safer_from_malware_than_android_security_firm_says.html)
So your experience of not knowing anyone who "EVER" had a problem with malware on Android doesn't really seem to be relevant to what's happening in the real world.
It doesn't disprove anything. Look - are you sincerely suggesting that additional carriers has/had no affect on iPhone sales? Because usually, while I disagree with you - you have valid points. If you sincerely believe that additional carriers didn't contribute to the BOOM of sales, I'm frankly shocked.
1. Doesn't matter about the OS. This is the point. People either buy an iPhone or don't. Which means they either buy iOS (knowingly or not) or Android (again - eliminating windows/BB at the moment). So the logic isn't flawed.
2. I don't really pay too much attention to the percentage of my posts which support Apple vs those that support Android because it doesn't matter to me. When I read a post that I react to - either positively or negatively - I discuss or state my opinion accordingly. If I feel something is being discussed about Apple and I agree with it - I say so. If I don't I say so. Same about Android and any other topic - technology or not.
3. No - the people I know don't have malware. Not that they aren't aware that they HAVE malware. Don't go making assumptions to try and disprove my statement. BIG difference. You can ASK me if they have checked if they have malware, etc. You know - they're in the majority. The 96 percent that haven't encountered malware (as per your article)
And to further - just because the phone may or may not have malware doesn't refute the comment I made that the malware can't TRANSFER to the computer and cause any harm. And that is what one poster on here was implying.
2. I don't really pay too much attention to the percentage of my posts which support Apple vs those that support Android because it doesn't matter to me. When I read a post that I react to - either positively or negatively - I discuss or state my opinion accordingly. If I feel something is being discussed about Apple and I agree with it - I say so. If I don't I say so. Same about Android and any other topic - technology or not.
3. No - the people I know don't have malware. Not that they aren't aware that they HAVE malware. Don't go making assumptions to try and disprove my statement. BIG difference. You can ASK me if they have checked if they have malware, etc. You know - they're in the majority. The 96 percent that haven't encountered malware (as per your article)
And to further - just because the phone may or may not have malware doesn't refute the comment I made that the malware can't TRANSFER to the computer and cause any harm. And that is what one poster on here was implying.
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It disproves exactly what I said it disproves. If growth on the existing carrier (AT&T) outpaced the market, then market share growth was not directly related to the expanded carrier availability.
No, I'm not saying that at all. It was a huge factor. You've already agreed with my point when you said that you didn't expect iPhone market share to double simply because of additional carriers. They actually doubled their US market share, not sales. US sales probably more than tripled! (4Q2010 4.1 million, 4Q2011 7.6 million AT&T, 5.5 million Verizon, ??? Sprint)
The argument that I was refuting was that "It would almost be a miracle if Apple's US sales share did not double from the year before." Not many people expected the kind of iPhone sales that Apple had in the US or globally.
Ok. Perhaps I'm being "distracted" by other noise in the thread that seems to imply that opening up to new carriers didn't matter. Because THAT's just crazy talk.
I find the answer to your confusion is clear.I never understood why they spend all of their time here (some having close to 28,000 posts) proudly displaying their various Windows systems in their signature. As Aresnio Hall used to say, "things that make you go hmmm...."
You have an avatar of Calvin urinating on a Windows logo, and whenever you get the opportunity, you write that Windows sucks. You're divisive and negative about anything that you don't like or agree with.
Windows is used much more than OSX, and there are as many people using Android as there are using iOS, and when you berate them, you're insulting and dividing people. If Windows were China and OSX was the United States, and you posted thousands of pictures of yourself worldwide urinating into the mouths of Chinese people, you'd get all sorts of Chinese people upset, don't you think? You can't sit there and say, "Hey, I'm in America (Mac based forum) and those Chinese (users of things beyond Apple) shouldn't be here! Why do they proudly display the Chinese flag and give me a hard time for defiling that flag?"
I think if you really think about it, and take an honest look at yourself and your behavior, you might see the problem. You're free to do as you please to a certain extent, but you said you were confused, and I believe you.
Before you assume I'm anti-Apple, consider that I have a wonderful Mac Pro, an iPhone, and an iPod. Whoops for me, I also happen to have a PC, an Android phone, and prefer Adobe over most Apple programs that do similar functions. I have just as much "right" to be here as you do, and while I could make my avatar into some form of defecating on Minneapolis or something that you're into, I choose to be a little more respectful with a photo of an actor playing a Russian as he discusses the benefits of a heavy handgun.
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Also, it seems that while Minneapolis is rated the #1 city for cyclists and LBGT people, a google-search of "#1 city in America" yields Raleigh, NC., and Pittsburgh as "most livable" city. Sorry.
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In what world is that happening? Tablets may be shipped but no Android tablets are being activated in high numbers (except maybe the Fire, but even so it's not close to the iPad in sales).
Would you gentlemen please stop cherry-picking my sentences to support your claims?
I never said it was just because of more carriers. I listed quite a few reasons besides that:
As for the ATT numbers above, since they include activations of iPhones that were passed down or sold to others, we'd have to do deeper analysis to get a more accurate number. (Verizon also reports "activations", not "sales". Is this an Apple requirement ?)
Of course, to some people, simply stating an important fact like that makes me "negative towards Apple", when in fact, what I'm really negative towards is laziness, ignorance and not questioning / thinking about what we read or are told.
(I also get accused of being negative towards Apple every time I point out that such and such a patent doesn't mean what the press thinks it does. Some people seem to value drama over facts, and take it personally if their myths are mistaken.)
New and repeat customers are not mutually exclusive contributors. You obviously have to become a customer first to later be a repeat customer.
As I said above, opening up the market was just part of it. Other major factors over last year were the almost free 3GS and current owners upgrading to the 4S.
We know from previous ATT announcements, that most of their new model activations are to current iPhone customers. (I was wrong about saying that was true about Verizon as well... unfortunately I trusted an Apple blogger at the time I wrote that. Mea culpa!)
Again, not one person has come back with any good reason to be surprised that the combination of 120 million larger direct customer base, the free 3GS, and especially the delayed 4S, would easily add up to 7 million more sales during the holidays than last year with none of those contributing factors.
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Actually i gave you several reasons. You still fail to understand that apple did not open up to a market of 210 million ppl. The market was always there. You've admitted you made a mistake about the repeat customers on verizon, so i won't mention the "everyone who wants one has one..." garbage but I'd like to see your source where att said this past quarters sales were to repeat customers. If they haven't said so you're no more in the know then anyone else.
Second, you failed to answer my other questions. How come it wasn't expected for android to do so much better, instead of dipping in share? Do they not have free models, cheap models, and if they're waiting for ces why didn't android have an explosion of sales after last years ces? Or are you "expecting" this years ces to be the one that wows all android users? Wasn't the bionic delayed, the nexus? Where was the "expected" sales there? The truth is all the "good reasons" you mentioned apply to android to, yet they lost share. But when apple doubles share, it's no biggie it was expected?
I am negative toward people who contradict themselves constantly and then play innocent or dumb. Not saying that's you as you've admitted you were wrong, but obviously I'm not the only one that sees bias in your posts.
He doesn't fail to understand anything. You fail to understand that REALITY is - that 210 million people really didn't have easy access to the iPhone because they were on a carrier that didn't sell it. For whatever reason.
While technically correct - it's simply not a real world scenario. Because you could then say the entire world (where GSM) exists could have an iPhone already because you can buy one unlocked and use it with any GSM carrier.
Further - if opening it up to different carriers didn't increase the VIABLE market - why do it? There'd be no need.
Finally - you are just a negative person toward just about everyone unless they agree with you 100 percent. And you are the LAST person to talk about writing with bias. That is THE most hysterical thing you have ever written. And you've written some doozies!