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Apple Sneaks by Android in Fourth Quarter U.S. Smartphone Sales
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And it's a third person saying he doesn't care about it and continuing to post on it with the "two people" who aren't the "least bit embarrassed". Don't forget what you're doing too...I'll put you on ignore now, something you could have easily done as well, but of course that would prevent you from seeing something you don't care about.
And dgree this is pretty fitting, no? Even with the free 3GS, Apple's average selling price remains consistent.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1314779/
yes because ignore stops people from quoting your trollish arguments. Please be kind to the rest of us and take your BS elsewhere.
Nope this is what I said, go back a few posts and look.
"Same can be said with android. A new phone might come out in 2 months, so they(Verizon) might drop the price. Doesn't mean the phone wasn't selling well before the price drop. "
Never said the phone was in High Demand, never even implied it. That what you are using to try to prove your point that a phone in HIGH demand shouldnt drop in drice within 2 months to one year (Like iPhones).
What logical reason would VERIZON have(Samsung, htc, LG etc have already been paid) to drop the prices?
Again, for the last time, the same reason why the outgoing iPhone(s) drop in price after a new model is released. They make room in the selected price point to fit the new phone in. Android manu's usually have a new "hotness" coming out 2-3 months after the old one. Its all android, no matter how many manu's create the phone to support it. Verizon android saga since sept 2011:
Droid Bionic Release Sept 8th at $299
Droid Bionic Drops to $249 on Oct 27th
Oct 27th begins Droid Razr Preorder
Droid Razr release on Nov 10th for $299
HTC Rezound Releases on Nov 16th for $299
Droid Bionic Price drops to $199 on Nov 24th
Galaxy Nexus Releases on Dec 16th for $299 (First ICS Phone)
HTC Rezound Price Drops January 9th to $199
Droid Razr Maxx announce on Januarth 9th
Droid Razr Price drop to $199 on January 18th
Droid Razr Maxx released on January 26th
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I know I am done with him I promise lol. I just dislike misinformation.
you would think someone that hates the android phone they have so much would find a way to get the iphone they love so much
Right? I mean - the market has always been there too! He wouldn't even need to switch carriers... unless he's on Boost or something...
Ok so you never implied that the phone was in high demand (or so you claim) but you had a 3 page argument about me who was saying the phone isn't in demand? Umm...why?
Yes, Verizon. I keep doing that thing where I give you the benefit of the doubt thinking you'll know what I'm talking about and you keep proving me wrong. Yes, when I said "companies" I meant "Verizon" and other carriers, I didn't mean HTC called up Verizon the day the Nexus dropped and said "Why don't you go ahead and make the Rezound $199"
Ok awesome, so next question (since this has to be done in baby steps). If the Rezound was in high demand on Dec 16th, and was selling as fast as Verizon could put them on the shelves, would compan...sorry, Verizon, still have dropped the price? If so, why?
Why are you taking advice from this guy? He's been on ignore for like 3 months and follows me from thread to thread (including this one) telling me how wrong I am and sending me PMs because I don't acknowledge him...Hey samcraig, you're on ignore and have been for a long time. I appreciate you visiting my blog, though.
You think very highly of yourself. But really - no need to flatter yourself so. I post in many threads. They also happen to be threads you post in. And I don't know who has me on ignore or not. And personally - I don't care if you do. If I reply to your post (again - not knowing if you have me on ignore or not) it's because I have something to say about it. And even if you can't read it - others can and respond to. Guess what - the internet isn't all about you. Tough for you to understand, I am sure.
And you can lie all you want. I sent you ONE PM - on November 17th. And it was about Google music - which has nothing to do with acknowledging me or not. One. Not plural.
But it doesn't surprise me in the least that you're twisting the truth around for some wacky-ass agenda in hopes of accomplishing what? To discredit me? LOL. Keep trying.
Oh absolutely, it's your prerogative to respond to me and it's mine to ignore you or not. The problem is when you post silly animated gifs about beating dead horses and then contribute to the beating of the dead horse by quoting the things I'm saying and responding to it, it makes you look hypocritical. You will now be back to being ignored, maybe in 3 months I'll acknowledge you again.
LOL - keep on stretching the truth there. It wasn't an animated gif. And then since I posted it - I haven't replied to you about the subject matter. I posted in response to your lies.
And again - ignore more or not. I really don't care. I don't base my replies to what you say on whether or not you are reading them. I know that's a very complex thing for you to understand. Maybe in 3 months I'll start to care. Oh wait - I'll spoil it for you. I won't.
No, it didn't for the most part. I brought up AT&T because you said that a Verizon or Sprint contract was a hindrance to switching to the iPhone. AT&T customers had the same exact hindrance if they were under contract.
Take three people, one on each network in the 4th quarter 2010. If all three of them are under contract, all three of them would need to pay to break their contract to get a subsidized iPhone (on AT&T). If none of them are under contract, any of them could get a subsidized iPhone on AT&T. No extra costs to switching based on the network that they were on at the time.
All customers on all three networks (except those few that do not have access to AT&T at all) were a part of the market that Apple was addressing with the iPhone in the US. Wide reports of Verizon customers switching to AT&T for the iPhone confirm this fact. The fact that Apple added a feature that made the iPhone more attractive to more people (multiple carrier support) does not change the size of the market. It increases market penetration.
Isn't that like saying Budweiser's market size doesn't increase every time someone turns 21. I mean an 18 year old can get alcohol(Directly or Indirectly) but doesn't mean its easy?
Not at all. Again, it was no harder for a Verizon or Sprint customer to buy an iPhone in 4Q 2010 than an AT&T customer (with limited exceptions). And, of course, there are those people that didn't have a mobile phone at all.
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What about 2007-2010? If it wasn't hard for them to switch then - why didn't they?
Because staying on Verizon or Sprint was more important to them than an iPhone? Is that a trick question? There are lots of reasons not to choose a device even if you are in the market.
At&t offers Early upgrades, so it is easier to upgrade while on At&t(I guess that fits into your limited exceptions). No cancellation required. No number porting. No billing changes.
For a Verizon or Sprint customer, it would take a contract cancellation, to buy an iPhone in 4Q 2010.
One is clearly easier than the other. no? You are talking theory, but what about in reality?
oh so you are saying they could have bought a phone that would not work on their network in Q4 2010
No - he's suggesting that they could have switched. So since they COULD have - they were already part of the iPhone market. Clearly and logical!
No - he's suggesting that they could have switched. So since they COULD have - they were already part of the iPhone market. Clearly and logical!
ohhh, man I would have to drink a few to get that reasoning
I was having fun, just reading every 3rd post or so (it really works sometimes), but I saw this.
Apple's selling price is not subsidized. YOUR buying price is subsidized. There is someone in between the 2 of you.
You are talking about the limited exceptions that I mentioned. Of course, people under contract are locked in to their current carrier and cannot get a subsidized phone without breaking that contract. It clearly doesn't imply that the iPhone market in the US expanded by 130 million customers, which was the point that I was refuting. Just a small subset of that number.
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No, I'm saying they could have bought the iPhone and switched to AT&T.
No - he's suggesting that they could have switched. So since they COULD have - they were already part of the iPhone market. Clearly and logical!
What's with the eye roll?
Maybe they prefered an Android phone the "hate" on Verizon to an iPhone on AT&T. Maybe they get a corporate discount on Sprint. Lots of reasons.
I was wondering if I can just get your answer to the following.
If the entire market (let's say US) was already available to the iPhone. Why add additional carriers? What difference does that make?
That's the whole point being made. Many people declared themselves out of Apple's market, and put themselves in when it came to other providers. Either in 1st Q for VZW or 4th for Sprint.
Regardless of why, these people were not in the iPhone market. I am one, for instance. Until sometime in early 2010 I was not in VZW's market, either. It became a possibility in my mind at that point, and then solidified when they offered the iPhone 4.