If Apple had more control over their chips, they would be in a better situation. I trust there are reasons on their end why they aren't using some of the chips that have been released by Intel. It's inevitable that Apple will move on.
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Apple Sold Fewest Macs in Any Quarter Since 2010 as Nearly Entire Lineup Was Outdated
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If Apple had more control over their chips, they would be in a better situation. I trust there are reasons on their end why they aren't using some of the chips that have been released by Intel. It's inevitable that Apple will move on.
Yup. I mean, I'm never going to switch to that DREADED Android crap, but I'm now officially just keeping the iPhone until it dies. I used to buy every other model (3G, 4, 5, 6, etc) but I learned my lesson when I traded in a perfectly good iPhone 5 for my 6Plus, and still had to fork over about $300 bucks. Geez.
What I wonder is, does your average consumer know or care if a Mac is full of old tech if it's got a beautiful, well-marketed exterior? I mean, anybody on these forums here is by definition tuned in to tech specs, but aside from something like the very obvious non-retina display of the Air, don't most consumers just shop on price and design?
Very true, but any CEO who doesn't do this will be removed by the shareholders and replaced with one who toes this line.
They tried that under Michael Spindler and Gil Amelio in the 1990's and they almost destroyed the company.
Other PC companies want market share because their average sales price is a fraction of what Apple's is. HP sold 270% more PCs than Apple sold Macs in a recent quarter and only made 27% more money. HP, Dell and Lenovo would kill for the $1400 ASP a Mac brings and would happily sell less than half as many machines as they do now to do it.
Probably. And then when sales increase over the next quarters as the new MBPs and other Macs start to sell in volume, the stock will rise again.
It makes no sense because you are using the numbers from 2009 forward to explain why sales dipped this last quarter... If your argument held water it would have been in decline for most of this decade with the last quarter accelerating the decline.
Instead of buying, or even considering a new Mac Pro, I poured several hundred dollars $$$$ into my classic Mac Pro. I'm probably not alone.
1) Marketing and show of status. Same reason people buy flashy cars when really any basic vehicle will get you where you're going. Pull up in a beat-up Toyota or pull out a conspicuously old phone and right or wrong, people will make assumptions about your economic status. You can shrug and say F- those people and I'm inclined to agree with you, but not everyone is as enlightened.
2) The phone may stay the same, have the same capabilities and everything -- but apps and OS'es are a moving target, always optimized for newer hardware. I learned this when I tried to keep using an old iPod Touch as a household device to stream Spotify and a few other basic functions. iOS 10 basically slowed it to a crawl, and every update to Spotify got laggier and worse.
My "classic" Mac Pro (2008) had plenty of upgrades over the years, but it is not worth continuing to upgrade at this point. The 8-core CPU has 'benchmarks' considerably lower (up to half the top end of the new MacBook Pro) [and yes benchmarks alone don't tell the story]. It has no thunderbolt (the thing I miss the most), it has USB2, etc. It past it's prime about 4 years ago and at that point, I stopped upgrading (other than hard drives). I love the design, but I will chose whatever serves me the best going forward -- and that is not simple upgrades.
If the Mac was it's own company, there might actually be more focus on keeping it up to date with current hardware and with the ability to upgrade components in the pro-lines with off the shelf parts (nVidia GPU please).
There might also be a focus on keeping components of the OS current as well. Rather then ditching OpenGL/CL, they could be updated to the current versions along side Metal. The focus on getting mobile applications to compile or run natively could be done in combination with a touch screen device/tablet running the desktop OS as well. Emoji's and thinness could be de-prioritized in favor of the above.
I’ve always used iMacs since they were first introduced. Even still have my Pixar lamp iMac running well and a 2010 iMac I just started up for the first time in 6-7 years just to see what is on it. (Clearing out the basement).
Not a single iMac has remotely made me want to shell out the thousands of dollars to upgrade. Their computers are being released with already quite outdated parts and pricing is just becoming absurd for those outdated computers. Not to mention, they’ve made it near impossible for users to upgrade their rigs even going so far as sealing up the RAM area so you’re forced to pay for apples overpriced memory upgrade. It’s just silly.
I’m realistic and fully aware Apple is a company first and foremost. Profit over Users. Not a foreign concept, but there comes a point when the users trump profits, especially when folks stop buying their products for a number of reasons. I think that’s what set Jobs apart from Cooks. Jobs hiked prices but also wasn’t entirely out of touch with who uses the stuff. Cooks only sees dollars signs, nothing more.
At this point, unless something changes, Apple will continue releasing computers with stock that’s years outdated for way more than they’d remotely be worth. I’ll continue to use my iMac regularly but when it breaks down, I may be only using an iPad and iPhone with a pc that wildly outperforms their latest and greatest technologies no matter the year. I do not want to (changing ecosystems is always difficult), but I’m certainly not paying thousands of dollars to inferior technology again unless something changes with Apple to make worthy Macs again.
Not a single iMac has remotely made me want to shell out the thousands of dollars to upgrade. Their computers are being released with already quite outdated parts and pricing is just becoming absurd for those outdated computers. Not to mention, they’ve made it near impossible for users to upgrade their rigs even going so far as sealing up the RAM area so you’re forced to pay for apples overpriced memory upgrade. It’s just silly.
I’m realistic and fully aware Apple is a company first and foremost. Profit over Users. Not a foreign concept, but there comes a point when the users trump profits, especially when folks stop buying their products for a number of reasons. I think that’s what set Jobs apart from Cooks. Jobs hiked prices but also wasn’t entirely out of touch with who uses the stuff. Cooks only sees dollars signs, nothing more.
At this point, unless something changes, Apple will continue releasing computers with stock that’s years outdated for way more than they’d remotely be worth. I’ll continue to use my iMac regularly but when it breaks down, I may be only using an iPad and iPhone with a pc that wildly outperforms their latest and greatest technologies no matter the year. I do not want to (changing ecosystems is always difficult), but I’m certainly not paying thousands of dollars to inferior technology again unless something changes with Apple to make worthy Macs again.
The Mac won't die.
It creates all of the iOS value through apps and content.
The Mac is very important to them.
They stated that didn't they?
Also the new 2018 MBP is awesome.
It creates all of the iOS value through apps and content.
The Mac is very important to them.
They stated that didn't they?
Also the new 2018 MBP is awesome.
Nope, not buying due to outdatedness. I speak for myself, of course.
You're probably right about the tech specs. However its the features that the Macs are really lagging and wont ever catch up. The windows hybrid tablet is a really nice device and more and more I wish I had gone that route over a Macbook Pro.
The hybrids have a ton of useful features such as touch screen, ability to use as a tablet or a full Windows computer, ports etc. The macbook is just a laptop and the only thing it has going for it at this point is MacOS and in theory better driver compatibility since they make both the hardware and software.
Yep. We've moved to other hardware for the first time ever. Tired of lack of updates, high prices, lack of ports, lack of performance, lack of known product strategy, and Apple arrogance.
We don't need an Ive/Cook machine which is over designed to be a fashion toy and over priced for the given performance. We just need a basic performance computer running macOS, with a bit of macOS loving care (updates).
I can see them refreshing the Lisa lineup before the Mac gets updated.
- assy keyboard
- useless and distracting touchbar
- gold-plated SSD prices
- dongle hell
Still got a relatively great OS though.
- useless and distracting touchbar
- gold-plated SSD prices
- dongle hell
Still got a relatively great OS though.
Speaking only for myself, my nMP is still fine for what I need and hopefully will continue for another 4 or so years. That will be 8 years I have used this computer. By that time, I will probably need a new desktop. If lets their desktops lag as badly then as they have up to this point, especially at the ridiculous prices they ask, I see myself going back to a Windows PC that will have more power at less money than what may be asking. Whether or not I opt to go with android is a separate topic for discussions.
I believe it. I’ve been holding out on getting an iMac until they redesign it. Hoping for this fall.
Amazing. You mean if you don't offer anything to sell, people won't buy anything? What a complete shock.
Apple computer users are holding onto their old macs, maintaining them as best they can, until that mythical day when a new mac comes around that can update their aging workstations.
Think of the car situation in Cuba. People there have cars from the fifties. They're desperately held together by duct tape and jury-rigged parts, but they keep them running because there's nothing else to use. That's us and Tim Kook is Castro.
He'll use this as an excuse to blame the desktop users for the mac's demise and stop production on desktops altogether.
Apple computer users are holding onto their old macs, maintaining them as best they can, until that mythical day when a new mac comes around that can update their aging workstations.
Think of the car situation in Cuba. People there have cars from the fifties. They're desperately held together by duct tape and jury-rigged parts, but they keep them running because there's nothing else to use. That's us and Tim Kook is Castro.
He'll use this as an excuse to blame the desktop users for the mac's demise and stop production on desktops altogether.
So much pent up demand here, waiting on a good excuse to upgrade my 2013 iMac, 2012 Mini and my 2015 MBA.