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I think it's mostly for iLife 2010 and iWork 2010 and how it'll use Snow Leopards underpinnings to make it "better".
 
No, I'm thinking realistically. I find it funny that you didn't offer your thoughts on what can be done with it, that MBP and iPhone cannot. I'm listening, if your willing to share your thoughts.

And don't give me bull about "doing things more efficiently". Technology only gives the illusion of efficiency. A given Word document takes the same amount of time to process whether you are on a Pentium for or Quad-Core i7. It's only now that I can encode H.264 movies, upload photos, listen to music, and watch a Blu-Ray movie - all at the same time when I should be working.

As someone who worked on 500+ page documents in the pentium days and now, i disagree. Modern machines make the going much faster.
 
No, I'm thinking realistically. I find it funny that you didn't offer your thoughts on what can be done with it, that MBP and iPhone cannot. I'm listening, if your willing to share your thoughts.

And don't give me bull about "doing things more efficiently". Technology only gives the illusion of efficiency. A given Word document takes the same amount of time to process whether you are on a Pentium for or Quad-Core i7. It's only now that I can encode H.264 movies, upload photos, listen to music, and watch a Blu-Ray movie - all at the same time when I should be working.

I think you should also consider people who never had any xMac/iPhone product ever or the simple fact that over time the way we are used to handle one thing needs to change for the sake of comfort and simplicity.
So let's say you will start from scratch with your first Apple product.. What will you buy (considering Tablet and MBP would do exactly same thing). I would personally go for the tablet.
 
So let's say you will start from scratch with your first Apple product.. What will you buy (considering Tablet and MBP would do exactly same thing). I would personally go for the tablet.
Most Apple newcomers buy the iPod nano (or formerly the iPod mini).

That's where the "halo effect" comes into play. People are happy with that experience, so they consider the iPhone, Macs, etc. (Apple owners dominate the top of customer satisfaction surveys).

The iPod nano falls within the consumer sweet spot, what some people call the "spousal approval threshold" of $200. You buy a $149 iPod; if you don't like it, you shrug it off, someone might say "I told you so", and you move on. If you buy a $1099 MacBook and you don't like it, you are going to hear about it.

Your average consumer isn't going to splurge on the first Apple tablet, just like they didn't buy the first iPhone. But give this thing a couple of years, and yeah, it has a chance to dominate.

Well, at least that's how this AAPL shareholder sees things. (Yeah, I also own MSFT and INTC -- wish they would actually compete.)
 
I think it's mostly for iLife 2010 and iWork 2010 and how it'll use Snow Leopards underpinnings to make it "better".
I assume you're being sarcastic because there is zero reason to book Yerba Buena Gardens to launch the next version of iLife. Such a dud announcement would not go over well with shareholders.
 
I assume you're being sarcastic because there is zero reason to book Yerba Buena Gardens to launch the next version of iLife. Such a dud announcement would not go over well with shareholders.

Nothing gets past you, does it?
 
I assume you're being sarcastic because there is zero reason to book Yerba Buena Gardens to launch the next version of iLife. Such a dud announcement would not go over well with shareholders.

Tell that to Phil Shiller...lol...remember Macworld this year?

iLife and iWork aren't going to get an update until later in the year. They just redesigned the box to remove "'09" from the logos which suggests they are skipping iLife '10 and going to '11.
 
Tell that to Phil Shiller...lol...remember Macworld this year?

iLife and iWork aren't going to get an update until later in the year. They just redesigned the box to remove "'09" from the logos which suggests they are skipping iLife '10 and going to '11.

Nah. iWork X.
 
And don't give me bull about "doing things more efficiently". Technology only gives the illusion of efficiency. A given Word document takes the same amount of time to process whether you are on a Pentium for or Quad-Core i7. It's only now that I can encode H.264 movies, upload photos, listen to music, and watch a Blu-Ray movie - all at the same time when I should be working.

uhmmm what?

Technology DOES make people be more efficient. I have never had a smart phone before the iPhone, and checking things on the go instead of having to go back home or to visit an internet cafe does make me more efficient. Being able to "flick" through a list instead of tapping + holding over a slider is more efficient. Navigation systems make people more efficient. Tapping spacebar on a file to use quicklook to quickly see inside a file is more efficient. Do I really need to go on?
 
uhmmm what?

Technology DOES make people be more efficient. I have never had a smart phone before the iPhone, and checking things on the go instead of having to go back home or to visit an internet cafe does make me more efficient. Being able to "flick" through a list instead of tapping + holding over a slider is more efficient. Navigation systems make people more efficient. Tapping spacebar on a file to use quicklook to quickly see inside a file is more efficient. Do I really need to go on?

Hes just an old man,

The partners at work are more technologically initiated than this guy, an done of them cant even see the screen properly!
 
uhmmm what?

Technology DOES make people be more efficient. I have never had a smart phone before the iPhone, and checking things on the go instead of having to go back home or to visit an internet cafe does make me more efficient. Being able to "flick" through a list instead of tapping + holding over a slider is more efficient. Navigation systems make people more efficient. Tapping spacebar on a file to use quicklook to quickly see inside a file is more efficient. Do I really need to go on?

Perhaps you need to re-read my post. I said tech gives rise to the illusion of efficiency. I also said that it allows you to get more done at the same time, and gave examples. Processing a Word document on a i7 and P4 machine, the work gets done in the same amount of time. Let me ask you: How efficient are you processing this same document on your iPhone? Do you see my point?

However, the iPhone will let you check your document (and slight edits with the right app), listen to music and let you make a phone call at the same time. Note, that more processes at once does not make you more efficient, just more busy. Don't confuse efficiency with being able to complete more tasks.

Hes just an old man,

The partners at work are more technologically initiated than this guy, an done of them cant even see the screen properly!


I'm 32. Hardly old. I have more tech savvy than anyone in my office and from judging from these posts, most people on this forum.
 
Perhaps you need to re-read my post. I said tech gives rise to the illusion of efficiency. I also said that it allows you to get more done at the same time, and gave examples. Processing a Word document on a i7 and P4 machine, the work gets done in the same amount of time. Let me ask you: How efficient are you processing this same document on your iPhone? Do you see my point?

However, the iPhone will let you check your document (and slight edits with the right app), listen to music and let you make a phone call at the same time. Note, that more processes at once does not make you more efficient, just more busy. Don't confuse efficiency with being able to complete more tasks.






I'm 32. Hardly old. I have more tech savvy than anyone in my office and from judging from these posts, most people on this forum.


Umm, your statement conflicts your explanation.
 
Or your grasp of comprehension is lacking.

You said technology only gives the illusion of efficiency, while your first statement is so vague I could apply it to anything. Who needs an i7 to do rendering. All I need is a Pentium 4!!!! Who needs to run a Web Browser Seriously!? I'll just run Unix V1.0. While I'm at it, I'll cancel my internet, phone and stick to horse carried snail mail. Its no productivity lost, I mean it was just an illusion, getting mail in 2 seconds.

You also pick an example so minuscule and irrelevant its hard to disprove to make yourself seem smarter.
You're second statement, is the exact opposite of your opinion.

People like you, the "Dont fix whats broken", "Its enough" and "Why would I want that" that stifle technology. You're prematurely judging it before its even released !!!
 
You said technology only gives the illusion of efficiency, while your first statement is so vague I could apply it to anything. Who needs an i7 to do rendering. All I need is a Pentium 4!!!! Who needs to run a Web Browser Seriously!? I'll just run Unix V1.0. While I'm at it, I'll cancel my internet, phone and stick to horse carried snail mail. Its no productivity lost, I mean it was just an illusion, getting mail in 2 seconds.

You also pick an example so minuscule and irrelevant its hard to disprove to make yourself seem smarter.
You're second statement, is the exact opposite of your opinion.

People like you, the "Dont fix whats broken", "Its enough" and "Why would I want that" that stifle technology. You're prematurely judging it before its even released !!!

I can see my logic is over your level of intelligence, so I'll bring it down a notch.

I don't want you to cancel your internet, continue to use snail mail, etc. That's the technology (such as i7's, internet, Web browers, etc. makes you more productive (more busy), NOT more efficient.

So to again use my "minuscule and irrelevant, hard to disprove" example of a Word document:

Technology, such as the latest OS, i7's processors, make me more productive since it loads faster, less crash-prone, and I can receive emails in the background, etc. without slowing down my word processing.

However, that does not make me more efficient at word processing. What makes one more efficient at word processing is training, trial and error, auto correcting words, etc.

So, are you going to tell me that when Word 2007 came out, that made people more efficient? With the new ribbon and such? I can tell you that made efficiency go down, and it didn't make word processing any faster - until people got training, trial and error and grown accustomed to the new layout (learning curves).

I really can't put it any simpler. I'm sorry the difference in the concepts of productivity and efficiency are beyond you.
 
I am starting to think Apple will not be able to live up to all these rumors even if they do release a tablet. So all you AAPL investors it is time to sell on rumors and buy back after the Apple announcement, when all the hopefuls are let down (the stock will go down for that day or two). :D
 
I am starting to think Apple will not be able to live up to all these rumors even if they do release a tablet. So all you AAPL investors it is time to sell on rumors and buy back after the Apple announcement, when all the hopefuls are let down (the stock will go down for that day or two). :D

I thought the same thing during the era of rampant iPhone speculation - until the day Jobs actually unveiled the thing. The iPhone miraculously managed to not only meet expectations, but surpass them.

Can Apple manage a repeat performance? I hope so.
 
I can see my logic is over your level of intelligence, so I'll bring it down a notch.

I don't want you to cancel your internet, continue to use snail mail, etc. That's the technology (such as i7's, internet, Web browers, etc. makes you more productive (more busy), NOT more efficient.

So to again use my "minuscule and irrelevant, hard to disprove" example of a Word document:

Technology, such as the latest OS, i7's processors, make me more productive since it loads faster, less crash-prone, and I can receive emails in the background, etc. without slowing down my word processing.

However, that does not make me more efficient at word processing. What makes one more efficient at word processing is training, trial and error, auto correcting words, etc.

So, are you going to tell me that when Word 2007 came out, that made people more efficient? With the new ribbon and such? I can tell you that made efficiency go down, and it didn't make word processing any faster - until people got training, trial and error and grown accustomed to the new layout (learning curves).

I really can't put it any simpler. I'm sorry the difference in the concepts of productivity and efficiency are beyond you.

Efficiency means the extent to which time is well used for the intended task. Any thing that helps you get your job done faster improves your efficiency.

The fact that you picked up a piece of software and described that it can reduce your efficiency just proves my point. On the other hand, a good piece of software can improve your efficiency. Imagine having to do 3 mouse clicks to turn a word into bold as compared to another word processor that lets you do that with a single keyboard shortcut.
 
Efficiency means the extent to which time is well used for the intended task. Any thing that helps you get your job done faster improves your efficiency.

The fact that you picked up a piece of software and described that it can reduce your efficiency just proves my point. On the other hand, a good piece of software can improve your efficiency. Imagine having to do 3 mouse clicks to turn a word into bold as compared to another word processor that lets you do that with a single keyboard shortcut.

And if the person does not know the keyboard command and reaches for the mouse to guide the pointer to the "bold" icon? Is he efficient? Or not? If me and such a person were side by side, typing the same document, and had the same WPM speed, would I not be more efficient than he?

The MS Word program gives you the capability to be more efficient, but the software itself does not. Having Word 2007, does not allow you to get the job done faster, than Word 2003. In fact, I can make someone more efficient in Word 2003 than he's ever been with the proper training and know how, than him simply moving over 2007.

Again, Word 2007 uses better technology, but doesn't make one more efficient. I'm not saying technology and efficiency are mutually exclusive.
 
And if the person does not know the keyboard command and reaches for the mouse to guide the pointer to the "bold" icon? Is he efficient? Or not? If me and such a person were side by side, typing the same document, and had the same WPM speed, would I not be more efficient than he?

The MS Word program gives you the capability to be more efficient, but the software itself does not. Having Word 2007, does not allow you to get the job done faster, than Word 2003. In fact, I can make someone more efficient in Word 2003 than he's ever been with the proper training and know how, than him simply moving over 2007.

Again, Word 2007 uses better technology, but doesn't make one more efficient. I'm not saying technology and efficiency are mutually exclusive.

Hey fellas last time i checked this was the upcoming apple event thread not the crappy "efficiency" discussion that's happening in here.
So why don't you guys take it to PM or something so we can actually read what we clicked on ok?
 
Hey fellas last time i checked this was the upcoming apple event thread not the crappy "efficiency" discussion that's happening in here.
So why don't you guys take it to PM or something so we can actually read what we clicked on ok?

...but you will always read what you clicked on.
 
I can see my logic is over your level of intelligence, so I'll bring it down a notch.

I don't want you to cancel your internet, continue to use snail mail, etc. That's the technology (such as i7's, internet, Web browers, etc. makes you more productive (more busy), NOT more efficient.

So to again use my "minuscule and irrelevant, hard to disprove" example of a Word document:

Technology, such as the latest OS, i7's processors, make me more productive since it loads faster, less crash-prone, and I can receive emails in the background, etc. without slowing down my word processing.

However, that does not make me more efficient at word processing. What makes one more efficient at word processing is training, trial and error, auto correcting words, etc.

So, are you going to tell me that when Word 2007 came out, that made people more efficient? With the new ribbon and such? I can tell you that made efficiency go down, and it didn't make word processing any faster - until people got training, trial and error and grown accustomed to the new layout (learning curves).

I really can't put it any simpler. I'm sorry the difference in the concepts of productivity and efficiency are beyond you.

No, you're initial statement is so vague it could be applied to anything. As I showed. Then you go and pick something even more vague so its hard to disprove your point. Yes we all know the Word 2007 is ****. Stop complaining. I can think of plenty situations, even in the Law Office were I work, where an i7 would be more efficient. The point of the first bit was because 'Technology only gives the illusion of efficiency'. Were as I gave a situation (more like a point in time) were technology was at its minimum. Productivity went down and more effort had to be done to do the same thing.

How do web browsers not make you more efficient? Instead of spending the time to look up something in the dictionary. I can put it in google and get it in a few seconds. Or what the partners do at work instead of looking through books for a statute. They look it up in the intranet. They were more efficient at that point because they weren't wasting time looking it up in a book.

efficient |iˈfi sh ənt|
adjective
(esp. of a system or machine) achieving maximum productivity with minimum wasted effort or expense : fluorescent lamps are efficient at converting electricity into light. See note at effective .
• (of a person) working in a well-organized and competent way : an efficient administrator.
• [in combination ] preventing the wasteful use of a particular resource : an energy-efficient heating system.

You dont know how the tablet could make you more efficient. I can think of ways how it could make me more efficient at work. Just because one piece of consumer technology seems useless to you, doesn't mean every single bit of technology is an illusion of efficiency.

Get this I looked up efficient in my normal dictionary, it took me three times as long to get the same thing.

"efficient - adj - working or producing effectively without wasting effort, energy or money. [Latin efficiens]"
 
I thought the same thing during the era of rampant iPhone speculation - until the day Jobs actually unveiled the thing. The iPhone miraculously managed to not only meet expectations, but surpass them.

Can Apple manage a repeat performance? I hope so.

Well I really now think most Mac users are expecting this thing to be the greatest tablet that can do anything. Even if Apple releases a tablet you can expect many users here to jump all over them and then be closely followed be the tech blogging & journalists on how this will be a failure.

The expectations are just way to high now, so the stock will take a fall for a little while.
 
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