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If you design something even an idiot can use, only idiots will find it useful.
-Engineer proverb

Not necessarily. I, while despise Apple's refusing to cater for us pro users*, kinda like their products:

- no need to play with virus finders on OS X; no mysterious slowdowns and the like
- when (and only when!) jailbroken, their iOS is pretty powerful with the right selection of tweaks and hacks (f.lux, my own tweaks widely discussed in the Hacks forum here, VideoPane etc.)

*: I don't only mean iOS being dumb and Apple's refusing to offer a "Pro" mode, but other examples like stopping the 17" MBP line altogether because of the lowish sales (compared to the lower-sized variants).
 
I don't only mean iOS being dumb and Apple's refusing to offer a "Pro" mode, but other examples like stopping the 17" MBP line altogether because of the lowish sales (compared to the lower-sized variants).

I really don't get it. People have real uses for 17" laptops, and Apple was making a profit off of them. Why did Apple push those users over to Dell et al.? They must have bet on the users buying higher-margin 15" and 13" laptops instead, but I seriously doubt that that's what happened. They could have just raised the prices at least.
 
Not going to happen it seems. They made knockoffs, modified enough to not look illegal. Even the names "S4, S5" being reversed versions of "4S, 5S"… geez.
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Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.when it comes to put downs of rival.handsets....the galaxy series was called galaxy s in 2009, and then onwards 1 number at a time.. s2, s3 etc.. simple... The 3gs was also 2009 later in the year. Can you patent the letter "s"?.. so its just coincidence considering Apple uses S every second yr that year they are on s5 and 5s, no one's copying anyone.. let it go.. GEEZ!..
 
Agreed!

Skeuomorphism still has value and was uniquely Apple!

iOS 7 goes along with the crowd and boring flat designs of windows & android platforms. Nothing wrong with that. if you like that you can chose those devices, but Apple has lost a few things, most notably, to think different!

I'm an IT person, but I understand that "normal" people do not want to jailbreak, hack, or constantly re-learn how to operate a device. That's for engineers to tinker with and those that demand "something new" every few months or the phone "sucks".

Usability vs gimmicks is the issue here. To me, the iPhone 4 with iOS 6.1.3 was the pinnacle of design & usability. Much like Snow Leopard was the pinnacle for Mac OS X.

"Normal" people aren't stupid just because they don't know how to program a microwave clock. They just prefer to spend their time different to those that constantly like to tweak and tinker. Steve Jobs understood so well to reign in engineers' wet dreams and channel them into magically fantastic products.

All I essentially want from a smartphone is a) make a phone call, b) listen to music, c) check my calendar, d) read email, e) browse the web, f) set an alarm and g) take the occasional snapshot.

Everything else is gimmicky to me and often a waste of time.

Vote up for this and Agreed! iOS 7 is not look unique... And... can somebody explain usability of parallax effect? :) i don't see any usable point of this... looks cool, but it needs polishing like all iOS7
 
Vote up for this and Agreed! iOS 7 is not look unique... And... can somebody explain usability of parallax effect? :) i don't see any usable point of this... looks cool, but it needs polishing like all iOS7

I do like the Control Center, very elegant looking. Well done Apple.
 
What I want to know is whether or not they tested their designs on toddlers before finalizing anything. Simply amazing how young kids can use them.
 
And then they ruined everything with iOS7.

Totally and utterly a billion percent agree! Hence why I ditched it and got a Nexus 5 :)

Apple went from a really simple easy to use self explanatory your granny could use it OS, to one that you need multiple science doctorates to fathom out the mystical non sensual icons in iOS7.

iOS7 is a puzzle for ubber smart people. Here's an icon, a funny random icon, looks like nothing for the feature is serves but hey, it looks pretty... if the OS hasn't crashed by this point.
 
I do like the Control Center, very elegant looking. Well done Apple.

That's the only feature in iOS7 that increases usability.
Turning wifi/bt/led etc on/off from the lock screen.

Parallax et al. is gimmicky. At least they've offered the option to turn it off.
 
Not necessarily. I, while despise Apple's refusing to cater for us pro users*, kinda like their products:
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*: I don't only mean iOS being dumb and Apple's refusing to offer a "Pro" mode, but other examples like stopping the 17" MBP line altogether because of the lowish sales (compared to the lower-sized variants).

Of the nearly 300 million iPads out there, a very large percentage is in the hands of professionals: lawyers, doctors, journalists, photographers, musicians etc..

Don't confuse "pro" users with tech enthusiasts, like developers, hackers, sysadmins. Let's call 'em "tech pros".

I'm a pro user working with UN*X systems since the early 80s and I enjoy the fact that iOS is least hackable and very stable for a defined set of tasks I need.

Apple offers "tech pro" capabilities on OS X once you open Terminal or install dev kits.
iOS is not intended for that purpose.
 
Of the nearly 300 million iPads out there, a very large percentage is in the hands of professionals: lawyers, doctors, journalists, photographers, musicians etc.

Very large?. 80%.. so there's 240 million lawyers and doctors with ipads, and only 60 million kids and housewives with them... Mmmm..

Remind me, why do they say 82.4% of statistics are made up on the spot...!
 
Did you get a response in any of the threads?

I asked this on another thread but got no reply.. Can you list maybe a top 10 of what they have stolen.. if its true they have copied loads of stuff it shudnt be too hard.. thanks in advance..

I do not think so. Good move. I am sure you can give a couple that Apple stole from Samsung/Android. - One is on the way I guess (Phablet iPhone)..
 
Consider "normal" people

Who ever said someone posted on Twitter was normal..

It's a different universe.. Kudos to Apple :) Part of this was the "one path" in security the engineers had to tread..

Very few companies can do this.
 
Consider "normal" people

Who ever said someone posted on Twitter was normal..

It's a different universe.. Kudos to Apple :) Part of this was the "one path" in security the engineers had to tread..

Very few companies can do this.

Please explain what you mean by that.
 
But it does. Apple's product are loved by the tech-unsavvy because of their, among other things, simplicity.

Of course there are a lot tech-savvy* Apple users / customers, but they (we) are in the minority. 2%? 5%?

*: tech-savvy Apple users are customers who could live with the much more complicated Android too, meaning they use Apple for other reasons (e.g., superior 3rd party software support), (mainly) not because of its simplicity. Unlike the tech-unsavvy.


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You are mixing things up and forgetting a complete category: the pseudo-tech-savvy people.

tech-unsavvy people
like Apple tech because of it's easy to do 'complex' things with in a simple way

tech-savvy people
like Apple for the same reason as the tech-unsavvy people. The reason is that if you are using technology in your job, you just want your phone to just work.
Nowadays in my case, after 8 hours of HP ALM, software testing, xml spy, kDiff, Enterprise Architect...I don't want to put 1 extra second in my smartphone.
In my developer times it was 8 hours with Visual Studio.net, Oracle DB, Versioning software and also then I just wanted my phone to work.

Pseudo-tech-savvy people
are the ones that know a very little bit of technology (mostly about their phones) and most of the time they are not working in a pure tech environment. (bureautica with some specialized software in the best case) and these are the ones that compensate with tweaking their phone for hours at a time. These are also the ones that are whining and bitching here over a phone OS.
 

tech-savvy people
like Apple for the same reason as the tech-unsavvy people. The reason is that if you are using technology in your job, you just want your phone to just work.
Nowadays in my case, after 8 hours of HP ALM, software testing, xml spy, kDiff, Enterprise Architect...I don't want to put 1 extra second in my smartphone.
In my developer times it was 8 hours with Visual Studio.net, Oracle DB, Versioning software and also then I just wanted my phone to work.

Well, I'm afraid I also belong to this category. (Nowadays, I'm an 8-hour iOS developer with occasional Android projects.)

Nevertheless, I still love tinkering my JB'n iPhone (and also developing JB tweaks for it for fun - see my numerous tweaks here at the Hacks forum). The same stands for my Nokia 808, my second phone I use for stereo, extra-high-quality audio recording and because of the camera.

However, as both OS'es are pretty stable and are very rarely updated with very few new tweaks / hacks compared to Android (assuming the same timescale), these phones definitely not require much tinkering after the initial setup, which, with the 808, takes no more than two minutes (to install and register AudioRecorder Pro and Camera Pro - and nothing else).

Of course, had I an Android phone as my main phone, I may need more time to keep it updated. With iOS and Symbian, I certainly don't need it. That is, the time you need for tinkering / optimizing a given phone is heavily OS-dependent.
 
I see this patent debated a lot, and personally I feel it's completely valid.

Sorry, but it is not completely valid. In July 2013, the USPTO permanently rejected 16 of its 20 claims.

We've had UI's since the 70s and nobody else thought to add bounce back to a scrollable computing device.

On the contrary, of course others had thought of bounceback. That's why most of the claims were rejected.

If you get a chance, read Exhibit A in this Scribd document from the USPTO. It goes into detail about the Lira patent that predated the Apple patent. For that matter, Apple itself had a previous patent that anticipated their newer one, and even Apple failed to know about it (!).

The fact is, there is almost never anything new under the sun as far as software goes. Something that seems new to many people, can often be decades old. For example, flick scrolling seems new, but is really old.

Apple does it, other OEM's see just how much better it makes the experience and copy it.

Sure, just as Apple has "copied" many more important features from other systems (e.g. multitasking cards from WebOS, pulldown notifications and control centers and flatness from Android and Samsung and Microsoft, etc).

Since neither side actually invented most of this stuff, I don't think anyone using the same things is "copying" in the meaning of "stealing". It's more like each company sees that something which was already known, is now popular, and chooses to include that feature to take advantage of its new popularity (or obvious usefulness).

In other words, you can't "copy" something that pre-existed. If you want car analogies, the one I always use is tail fins. They had been around almost as long as cars have, yet it wasn't until Cadillac used them in the 50s that they became popular and a must-have item. However, that did not mean Cadillac owned the idea.
 
I just wanted to add that I like that the headline has normal people in quotes. Because if you spend a day on this forum, you might question normality ;)
 
Normal people? Have they seen some of the posters on here?

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Sorry that's a matter of opinion. Personally I think iOS 7 is better than what came before.

You are correct that it is a matter of opinion which is overall better, iOS 6 vs. iOS 7.

The very fact there exist pros and cons to debate, combined with the fact that there are a non-trivial number of people in both camps arguing superiority, proves that iOS 7 is not a universal improvement and step forward from iOS 6. I don't recall any other iOS version receiving so much continued criticism.

Even if that doesn't sway your opinion about which is overall better, it should at least convince you that iOS 7 fell short of what it should have been. There is no reason it should not have pleased the overwhelming majority of iOS users. That there exist so many upgrade hold-outs is a failure on Apple's part. iOS 7 was not good enough.
 
And then they ruined everything with iOS7.

"Ruined everything"? Are you unable to text, make calls, email, or use apps?

Like each iOS update (actually any OS update), there are some things that are better, some things that are worse, and some things that weren't improved upon enough. And like before, they gradually improve things. But like all change, there are some things that will just never be acceptable but it's almost always subjective. eg If you're a skeumorphic person, you'll never think iOS 7 is better.

It's been 7 months. Get over it. And while you're at it, gain some perspective.
 
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How about a IOS for the none electronically moronic people ??

Personally I think we all should file a class action lawsuit demanding Apple to make a more advanced IOS, we bought into the contract and with the new IOS upgrades we get CRAP for added features. Why the hell can't we put a folder inside a folder ? Why can't I forward my voicemails in a email yet ? on and on and on, YES I know jailbeaking will give me that, but I don't want to waste even more time looking for add-ons that should already come with the latest upgrade.

WTF are the "normal" people they are talking about ?? My mom and dad who don't even know how to program the microwave clock ??

COME ON APPLE, stop assuming the entire world is STUPID !!!!

You're buying from the wrong company. Buy an Android of some kind. Customize the hell out of it with whatever skin and "advanced" features you want.
 
"Normal People" ????

Apple might have put some thought about ergonomics but was far more about form over function. Look at the size of the text under the main screen Icons and then in menus such as Music. Sorry, but many of us don't have perfect vision and hate having to put on and off our glasses.

Apple's accessibility options are a workaround that doesn't quite do it. What might have made sense is to offer up 2 frameworks for screens. Perhaps one would be the 4x5 matrix they use now and the other 3x4 so that icons and text underneath are larger.

While it may take most people some time to get used to how things are done on the iPhone, in general it is not a huge learning curve. Some things of course don't make much sense such as where the airplay option is located which seems to be a moving target with each major upgrade. Oh well, you can't have everything. - Sigh.
 
They ruined it by making it better ?!

I dislike the fact that people complain about hard work spent by developers and really anyone with a type of public service job that intends to make the public enjoy the product/service. I find that people whine too much when it comes to that. I'd like to see them try and make an IOS at all. BUT, I must admit if everyone were to have one job, the planet wouldn't function properly XD. So, I must say that in my opinion we should give gratitude in a formal way and that we should also show the creators of such product/service what we think they should work on. Because we know their potential. :)
 
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