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Thanks PR snafu. Instead of buying a MBP with Retina display soon like I was considering, now I know that an iMac update is probably coming fairly soonish and should just wait for that. Probably could have been suckered into getting both had I already bought the MBPR
 
This is getting weirder and weirder... Steve Jobs would be horrified. As I said in another thread this morning, Apple's next quarterly earnings call is going to be interesting. They always refuse to talk about unreleased products, but in this case they've already gone on the record. Not a lot of detail, I'll admit, but more than they've ever said before.

The question is why they would promise an updated pro machine at least a year in advance, probably more. I think that this clearly shows that Apple doesn't care if its Mac Pro sales drop to near zero, since they're so unimportant to revenue compared to iPhones, iPads, and laptops. And maybe they figure that their next "pro" desktop will be so great that they'll regain whatever share they're losing now.

As someone who's in the market for an iMac, though, I'm more hopeful that this means that we'll see an updated iMac (Ivy Bridge, USB 3, better SSD options) this year.
 
Looking to get a PC for gaming but what are the odds that Apple will create a gaming Mac Pro, or an iMac with desktop GPU?

You know, since "redesign" is being thrown around.
 
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Exactly. I like the cheese grader. It is heavy and very uncomfortable to carry, but design wise it is great! Internal updates please, keep the box.

Or, maybe they will change the box so that you can install any GPU from the market, instead of a GPU that is built specifically for the Mac Pro...?

Also, considering Adobe CS 6 supports Nvidia graphics, I think we need to see a REALLY high end card in the pro already. :/

This is so embarrassing.
 
Yay... another year w/ my BSOD-prone Dell. :(

The last time I saw a BSOD was when Neil Armstrong landed on the moon. You must be doing something wrong. Seriously. Maybe you should let a professional fix your system for you.

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Looking to get a PC for gaming but what are the odds that Apple will create a gaming Mac Pro, or an iMac with desktop GPU?

You know, since "redesign" is being throw around.

Those chances go against zero. Apple solely targets the consumer market these days, but that does not include the high-end gamer market. Of course, Tim Cook cannot publicly say "we don't care about pro users anymore", but the reality does not leave much room for interpretation anymore: For Apple, the desktop and the pro market are DEAD. Their focus very clearly is on mobile consumer gadgets.

But why they don't simply sell a proper docking station for their high-end notebook line is still beyond me. You know, a 27" or larger iMac where you can simply slide your Macbook Pro in and turn it into a really powerful desktop system when you need or want it.

But who knows, maybe they're working on something like this right now. Or maybe not, maybe they believe their future lies in the iCloud with touch screen gadgets.
 
The "the just-updated but still outdated Mac Pro" - thank you for the reasonable, non-fan, interpretation of the non-update.




If your Dell is running Windows 7 or Windows Vista or Windows XP and is blue-screening - you have one or more of
  • defective hardware (usually bad RAM, but could be a device controller)
  • out-of-date firmware/drivers
  • bad 3rd party hardware/drivers

Windows systems are not "BSOD-prone" unless one or more of these is true.

Mine blue screens all the time. Buying an iMac as soon as new ones come out. Hell. I've waited this long.

I also did nothing wrong to my machine. Been using PCs for 20 years, I know not to mess things up.
 
Maybe I'll get a mini with thunderbolt to act as my storage server until the updated Pro comes out next year. hrm.

Or, one of the current gen iMacs, considering it's got more horsepower than my current Pro. Then, when the Pro comes out, upgrade to that and give my wife the iMac as an upgrade to her existing iMac.
 
finally a redesign of the mac pro!

He didn't say that. He just said something.

Also does anyone else find it suspect that Forbes isn't naming the spokesperson. If Apple really did reach out to them it would be by a person that is authorized to say something so why not say "Apple Spokesperson Mr Blah Blah says"
 
Man, Apple got scared. Having them admit even that much about a year-off product is a huge, huge change for them.

Looks like all the Internet bit**ing achieved at least a tiny result. That's new.
Funny isnt it? most professionals want a road map and never get one. now some info gets released and almost everyone is still complaining.
As far no one buying that's a crock. Corps have budgets and have to spend it at a certain time. If they budgeted for a dozen mac pros then they have to buy whatever is available and has to be mac pro's.
Speaking from experience of course.
 
Apple giving info on something they cannot be sure will even be ready on time is complete rubbish.


Actually that is the only part that isn't rubbish and is completely Apple. They don't give dates etc until they know it will happen. Which is why they were vague and said 'next year'.

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There is secrecy and there is being an ***hole. Apple decided not to do both after the backlash.

Not true. If they were trying to negate the latter they would have said details. Not some vague "next year" but "We are totally redesigning the Mac Pro to be THE machine for Pros but the parts we need won't be ready until early 2013 as we already have a deal on a brand new state of the art processor and graphics card that won't be available until then" or some such.

If they really made this statement at all it is basically a vague "Chill the F out, your time will come. Eventually."
 
Not even before Christmas?! Are they solely banking on the iPhone to round up the 4th Quater, and the year? Is Apple on Vacation?

Actually if they go with an Oct release that will be Q1 2013. So the iPad and these new notebooks will be rounding things out.

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How does this sound? Tim Cook, the good guy, rolling back Steve Jobs' mistakes?

Cook never had anything to do with design and product decisions in terms of what they released. He was the guy that was handed what Jobs wanted done and he hooked up the contracts etc to do it.

Plus anything they are releasing now and for as much as the next 10 years has Steve Jobs hands in it to some degree or another. Stuff for this year and even next are likely completely picked and designed by Steve as it would take a good 1-2 years after the design to test etc.

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Intel isn't releasing Ivy Bridge E. It got called off.

That's moot cause Apple probably has an exclusive deal for Ivy Bridge F (for way the heck Faster).

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Could be FY2013. That would make it a Oct. 2012 release. I'm just saying.

Good one. One always has to be careful about that whole fiscal year thing. Because it doesn't add up the way we instinctive think. And a Q1 release right before Christmas a bad plan

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Apple taking away the "NEW" badge from the Mac Pro in the Apple online store is huge. This is a clear admission they made a mistake.

What mistake. It said New not "New, Amazing, Totally Changed and Improved". That tag is used when something is changed up and isn't the same specs it was before, which is true of the Mac Pro even if the changes were very small.

They did it to shut folks up. Period. There's no admission of anything.
 
lol I feel like this is more of an update than the spec release update they did. I'm ok with the year wait, I think my current Mac will hold me just fine till then. Considering how long we had to wait for a real spec update, what's one more year :rolleyes:
 
A new design in 2013 is no reason not to refresh the iMac with ivy/USB 3/new graphics in 2012. Would be a very simple upgrade and wouldn't interfere with the new design the following year.

Nothing has been said either way about the iMac.

that said, don't be shocked if all the main line up gets is USB3 and a little processor kick. Perhaps the 512 GB SSD option. And then there will be some mega expensive top of the light, no ODD, possibly SSD drives only slimmer iMac with this same lower glare Retina display. And possibly only in the 27 inch. Just like what happened with the notebooks.
 
Now then, as Apple has CONFIRMED NEW DESIGN MAC PRO'S NEXT YEAR, are the pro's happy?
I mean, when was the last time Apple confirmed anything a year in advance?

As for the iMac I think they are still going to wait for reaction to the new MacBook Pro Retina before releasing it's update as it too will have a stupid resolution screen considering they are up to 27", OR will Apple update the current range AND release a new design iMac with Retina too?

If the MBPr is any guide the no way in hell am I going to pay a premium for a retina iMac on top of the $2k asking price for the current 27" model, given the screen size covers 4x the area I can only imagine the price difference. Besides I don't think retina display is needed on such a big screen given how close the average user sits to the screen, a laptop is different.
 
Mine blue screens all the time. Buying an iMac as soon as new ones come out. Hell. I've waited this long.

I also did nothing wrong to my machine. Been using PCs for 20 years, I know not to mess things up.

A brand new iMac in our office does the vertical screen wipe/grey text screen of death all the time. While running FCPX.

My 4 year old MacBookPro - with the known nVidia failure issue - has been totally rock solid.

I've had two dell machines - one lemon - and one that still runs like new when I reformatted it last month. It's 5 years old.

The windows machine I built myself and overclocked to hell and back has no issues, even while left rendering for 3 days.

A bad machine can be from any company. Roll the dice.
 
Yet all of that and more is available on external boxes on a low end MacBook Air for $950 brand new. Thunderbolt.

http://www.magma.com/

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r27215765-Can-I-do-this-External-Drives-USB-3-Thunderbolt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express

I almost fell off my chair laughing, Thanks for the laugh.

Do you really expect something like what your describing to be able to do anything remotely intensive?

My workstation almost chokes on what I do for a living, and it has 4 Quadros, 128gb of ram,( very recently upgraded thank god, more than one project at a time now :D ) dual over clocked xeons, and 10 hard drives. With a boot SSD Drive . How in the name of god is a Mac Book air with a PCIE 4x expansion slots with cables attached going to come CLOSE to what a high end work station can do?

To give you an idea, this is SORTA what my workstation I use at work is. Mine is more of a totally Custom build, but this is the closest thing you can buy today. And have shipped in a few days. The main differences is that I have 128gb of ram, better processors, ( OCed Xeons ). And Quadros instead of gaming cards.

http://www.gamepc.com/shop/systemfamily.asp?family=gpg

http://www.gamepc.com/shop/systemfamily.asp?family=gpgx2

Think of it as kind of a mixture of those two ( I think I might have the same case as the second link I posted. )

But you get the general idea right? How in the hell is a MacBook Air with some choked external TB devices gonna come slightly close to what a machine like that can do? Apple should be building machines more than that, the profit margin is pretty huge on something like that.

Now GamePC is just one of MANY high end PC vendors, HP, Dell, BOXX, RainPC, and just to damn many to list. Look around the GamePC site just as an example.

Apple doesn't offer any computers with anything like the capability of those machines, and they need to. Which is what a lot of Mac Pro users wanted. And didn't get. That's why people are pissed. I'm pissed myself for not being able to get a good Mac Workstation for some fun at home.

Apple saying " yeah we updated it ermmmm kinda? MAYBE in a year and a half or something you'll get a new one...maybe "

Sorry Apple, but as much as that kind of money for a new MP isn't so much an object for me. I won't be spending my hard earned cash on a two year old Workstation that isn't worthy of being called a workstation. At least not anymore.

Cmon Apple, what the hell happened to the constant Power Mac G5, G4 and G3 updates? When you actually kept pace with PC hardware? You actually supported your most loyal customers? What the hell happened to Apple being considered a serious computer company that offered some very serious machines.

I still remember buying my Dual 2.7 G5. I was excited, at the time it was probably one of the best made and one of, if not the fastest desktop you could buy for anything under 10 grand. I loved and still love mine. Sad to say, I don't think I'll ever get excited over another Apple.

Half assed update 2 years later....maybe we'll think about building another one....uhhh...buy an iMac? iPhone? ITS SHINY - Thats how I see apple right now.

Its to little. To late.

And I REALLY don't want to hear " Oh that machine is total overkill! A Mac Pro is already plenty fast for most people who really need a workstation!!!!! "

WRONG.
 
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Update: Apple PR has reached out and clarified that only the Mac Pro is expected to be next updated in 2013. The company had no comment about the iMac, which perhaps means that the iMac could see updates earlier than next year. It has been 406 days since the iMac last received an update, significantly longer than the traditional iMac update interval.
 
I have a MacPro 1,1

It's been upgraded a bit over the years, but within the next year or two it will need to be replaced.

Rather convenient.
 
When you consider what they just put into the crazy thin Retina MBP, the next iMac, which needs no battery (still the majority of space in the rMBP), should be insanely thin... and powerful.

IMHO, it would likely look a lot like the coming Apple TV... which could be part of the 'delay'.
 
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