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Apple Spokesperson Confirms New Mac Pro Designs Likely Coming in 2013 [Update: Not iMac]
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You probably have sick hardware. For starters, download
and let it run overnight. If the problem is bad RAM, an overnight run will likely discover that.
I definitely see your point, and I think one month is a good estimate considering the new os. I'm in exactly the same boat. Been waiting since Christmas. Scanning numerous forums, waiting for anyone to throw me the slightest hint or clue. I use the current iMac at work. I know its a great machine, but I also know its becoming very outdated. I have design work on hold due to the lack of its release. I nearly walked out the apple store with one yesterday.
I have used windows my entire life and to this day, there is no PC close to the combined functionality, speed, and looks of a mac. So although patience is short, I encourage you to take your own advice and hope its right.
What are you smoking? I want some.
Insanely powerful? If being limited to 64gb of ram, coupled with 2 year old processors and a 3 year old video card that was a pile of crap when it was new let alone today counts as insanely powerful. Then sure!
Why would they spend these new engineers on Mac Pro instead of - say - an Apple TV project, or the next iPhone? It's all about priorities. It's obvious that Apple haven't prioritized Mac Pro. Nothing wrong with that, but if I was a pro user I would take notice.
That's why I don't trust placing all my eggs in this 2013 basket. Who knows what they will or won't do or what it may be. I don't expect more attention to Pros as the years go by, I expect less. I think we need to focus on something we can actually count on moving forward.
Lol at All these people saying "What happened to doubling down on secrecy?" Seems like Apple get criticised for not giving us some idea when a new Mac Pro is coming out and then more when they do.....they cant win.
The people using it as an opportunity to forecast doom and lay it all at Tim Cook's door should have a word with themselves.
The people using it as an opportunity to forecast doom and lay it all at Tim Cook's door should have a word with themselves.
Really? You must be on some crappy hardware.
Macs don't have any form of speed advantage, even the Mac pro has laughable hardware, out dated and slow.
Functional? OSX has FAR less software avaliable for it, so nope. Windows 7 is ever bit as good, and much better support and compatibility on windows is much better.
Looks? Its a workstation, looks are meaningless to business.
this is absolutely ridicules!
So you guys actually believe the top man at Apple is going to make a statement on a product thats being planned somewhere next year, plus the fact that its wwdc week...he's not going to make any statement because its simply to far away and because it would make the company look like total idiots
Everything could influence the release of a new mac pro...CPU shortage from Intel and/or delays in production, other hardware supply problems...you name it.
Its really simple, no rocket science here folks...the new mac pro will come, its just not a priority product. Apple is a big company with big players and really smart people on deck, economists, some of the worlds best computer specialists...etc. They will come up with a new mac pro whenever they feel is the right time to do so, technology wise, profit wise and component availability.
You can complain all you want, its not going to make a difference, they are such a big company with such an overhyped product that they just know they can get away with basically everything without hardly losing customers. Publicity and brainwashing at its finest
So you guys actually believe the top man at Apple is going to make a statement on a product thats being planned somewhere next year, plus the fact that its wwdc week...he's not going to make any statement because its simply to far away and because it would make the company look like total idiots
Everything could influence the release of a new mac pro...CPU shortage from Intel and/or delays in production, other hardware supply problems...you name it.
Its really simple, no rocket science here folks...the new mac pro will come, its just not a priority product. Apple is a big company with big players and really smart people on deck, economists, some of the worlds best computer specialists...etc. They will come up with a new mac pro whenever they feel is the right time to do so, technology wise, profit wise and component availability.
You can complain all you want, its not going to make a difference, they are such a big company with such an overhyped product that they just know they can get away with basically everything without hardly losing customers. Publicity and brainwashing at its finest
I seriously hear you on the question of what the Mac Pro redesign might be. On the software side they've moved the Professional focus from single creative professionals & professionals at large organizations to the single creative professional only.
Could they come out with a Mac Pro redesign that is focused on the single Professional / Power user? Say mini tower size Pro redesign with some gorgeous form factor that goes for normal Intel CPU parts (drop Xeons), drops ECC DRAM, drops most ports (ala the new retina MacbookPro that's what those $40 adaptors are for), room for two drives, drops room for a full size Video Card and then call it the best Pro desktop yet....while casting off the remaining corporate, render farm market (like they did with Final Cut Pro X).
Of course they could...and based on the focus of the Company over the last couple of years its a serious risk for the redesign. I'm a Mac Pro 1,1 user who was looking forward to updating and it seems a big risk that Apple will go for a smaller form factor based on their past actions over the last 4 years or so. I'd still be okay with that, but I don't think alot of Mac Pro users would be.
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Mostly all true, but it's pretty common knowledge that you can get 96 gigs of RAM into even a 2009 model. (128 GBs if you boot into Windows. OS X doesn't yet support being able to "see/use" that much)
Oh, I didnt know it would actually support up to 128gb, never bought a Mac Pro, Even when it was new is was a.little weak for me.
I was all ready to buy the " new Mac pro " just to have at home for some fun. Until this" update " lol
Makes me feel a lot better about going through with purchasing that refurb iMac along with the new Macbook Air
Just kidding.
It escapes me how with all the PC stuff out there and the sheer variety, nobody has a PC case that simply accepts a MacPro motherboard and adds expansion and ports not supported by Apple proper.
I certainly understand the folks who in search of leading edge compute power resort to using PCs and Hackintoshes.
But some apps NEED a PC and some NEED a Mac. For those that need a mac one can only do with what is available and no level of complaining will change it. So one can currently grid several macs, still get used Xserve Macs, so clusters and grids are practical today.
Business often has to customize to achieve its goals. It's no shock to me Apple in its continuing focus on mobile and consumer is serving increasingly fewer upper end needs. It's sad because Apple software is capable to servicing upper end needs. I have posted repeatedly over the years I feel the macpro line should morph to a modular system because if you are the sort of guy that needs a top like hackintosh or a full boat mac Pro isn't even fast enough, all you need to do is stack 4-8 CPUs and use software that recognizes the configuration.
I think Apple has given unusual forward visibility on the product line to 2013 and it may not be EOL but it is pretty much a speed bump.
It seems to me a PC builder could do considerable niche business hacking legally licensed macintoshes.
Rocketman
I certainly understand the folks who in search of leading edge compute power resort to using PCs and Hackintoshes.
But some apps NEED a PC and some NEED a Mac. For those that need a mac one can only do with what is available and no level of complaining will change it. So one can currently grid several macs, still get used Xserve Macs, so clusters and grids are practical today.
Business often has to customize to achieve its goals. It's no shock to me Apple in its continuing focus on mobile and consumer is serving increasingly fewer upper end needs. It's sad because Apple software is capable to servicing upper end needs. I have posted repeatedly over the years I feel the macpro line should morph to a modular system because if you are the sort of guy that needs a top like hackintosh or a full boat mac Pro isn't even fast enough, all you need to do is stack 4-8 CPUs and use software that recognizes the configuration.
I think Apple has given unusual forward visibility on the product line to 2013 and it may not be EOL but it is pretty much a speed bump.
It seems to me a PC builder could do considerable niche business hacking legally licensed macintoshes.
Rocketman
Just thinking this morning, after reading most of what was said over the last two days regarding the desktop Macs. The articles and Apple have clarified that the Mac Pro is being redesigned in 2013, not the iMac. This helps us out to speculate with some reasoning.
This is just a hunch, but I feel that it is this simple. No malice or spitefulness on Apple's part, just maximizing the press exposure for the latest newness. Mac Pro, well, maybe a quiet option upgrade before the redesign, like an updated GPU or if they figure out TB on PCIe card.
Again, just a hunch, but I feel pretty good saying it.
- The portable line was fully refreshed this week. All in sync with similar specs/options [Ivy Bridge, USB 3, TB] iMac and Mac Mini - the last 2-4 updates for both have been either at the same time or within a month or so, so they are basically in sync, sort of. Mac Pro is on its own really, and the audience is a bit different anyway.
- I see the iMac and Mac Mini updating in one month [July 2012], shipping with Mountain Lion [no technical reason though]. This delay is to simply not take away from the chatter and reviews of the new MacBook Pro Retina. Simple as that. It is about maximizing the press on the portable line, then press releasing the iMac and Mini in July to coincide with ML. [with Ivy Bridge, USB 3, Intel 4000 graphics and possibly updated discrete GPU in appropriate models. Maaaaayybe new SSD/HDD options] No Retina, nothing else really. Parity with the portable lineup.
- Retina displays will debut across the portable line over the next 1-2 years, then make their way into iMac and TB Display in 2013-14.
This is just a hunch, but I feel that it is this simple. No malice or spitefulness on Apple's part, just maximizing the press exposure for the latest newness. Mac Pro, well, maybe a quiet option upgrade before the redesign, like an updated GPU or if they figure out TB on PCIe card.
Again, just a hunch, but I feel pretty good saying it.
What a bipolar existence it is to be a Mac Pro user. Last week it was all love and cheers and champagne corks when it looked like a new update was coming. Monday it was back to pitchforks and torches. A kind word from Tim Cook and people are reaching for the champagne again. I think I'll keep my pitchfork handy for this time next year
It's pretty pathetic that one of the largest companies in the world can't update all of their product lines in a timely fashion. Apple should be on the bleeding edge in all of their markets. It's embarassing.
What a bipolar existence it is to be a Mac Pro user. Last week it was all love and cheers and champagne corks when it looked like a new update was coming. Monday it was back to pitchforks and torches. A kind word from Tim Cook and people are reaching for the champagne again. I think I'll keep my pitchfork handy for this time next year
There will be no champagne next year. By next year most people will have forgotten about the Mac Pro so they can just as well stop making it.
Pros should jump ship anyways. The fact that apple hasn't updated the machine in nearly three years is proof enough that they don't take pros seriously. Dell and HP update their machines several times a year. They also change their pricing when the cost of the parts become cheaper. The writing is on the wall. There are some great professional machines from HP and Dell and most of them come with 3 year on site service standard, something apple does't even offer.
Also cutting support for machines that are barely 3 years old is pretty crappy as well. My macbook runs windows 7 and windows 8 better than it runs lion and windows 8 runs on machines that are 10 years old now and pretty well. My macbook won't run Mountain lion only because apple says so. Theres no real technical limitation for it not running. Mountain lion is not really an OS upgrade. Its just an update of a few built in apps and a few new ones. The hackintosh community already has ways to get it to run on unsupported machines. Heck it can run on windows machines from like 2003.
Also cutting support for machines that are barely 3 years old is pretty crappy as well. My macbook runs windows 7 and windows 8 better than it runs lion and windows 8 runs on machines that are 10 years old now and pretty well. My macbook won't run Mountain lion only because apple says so. Theres no real technical limitation for it not running. Mountain lion is not really an OS upgrade. Its just an update of a few built in apps and a few new ones. The hackintosh community already has ways to get it to run on unsupported machines. Heck it can run on windows machines from like 2003.
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Well you basically missed the point completely. I'm not sure what buisness your in, but as web designer and creator of several successful ecommerce sites, the iMac has took everything I've thrown at it. I'm sure that there are several applications that are not yet compatible, but that is quickly becoming nonexistent.
Just to set things straight, I am not an Apple Fan boy. I takes things as I seem them. Your assumption that I'm on "crappy hardware" is incredibly naive. I appreciate a good pc just as much as a good mac. My point was in reference to the iMac as an all in one unit, not the best desktop on the market.
Ah, and FYI...The appearance of a desktop is far from meaningless to a graphic designer. Having an clean, attractive workspace encourages productivity and just makes it easier to enjoy work everyday. Say as you please, but its gonna take a lot more than that to change my outlook on the iMac, regardless of their current horrible business strategy.
Absolutely agree.
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This is just a hunch, but I feel that it is this simple. No malice or spitefulness on Apple's part, just maximizing the press exposure for the latest newness.
Again, just a hunch, but I feel pretty good saying it.
No malice, no spite, just apathy.
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Good morning Tim.
It's damage control.
Exactly. They severely underestimated the backlash.
Later in 2013 may mean Christmas or later. Maybe a New Year's Eve announcement with shipping on Valentine's Day. We could then call it the holiday Mac Pro.
Also one thing to remember is that the product has not shipped yet. We may be saying that for over another 18 months. If I am able to purchase a new work station with the newest dual 8-core 3.1 GHz processors in it that also has twice the memory slots of a Mac Pro, more internal & external drives slots, & still come in at a price lower than Apple's long outdated just updated Mac Pro, means that if Apple was not all about very, very, very high profit they could have come up with a new processor now & not in an additional 18 months.
I had money in hand to purchase a new Mac Pro & a new 17" Ivy Bridge MacBook Pro but Apple told me that they did not need or want my $10,000+ that I would have spent. They should have renamed the Mac Pro the New Mac Semi-Pro. We can't totally complain as at least the OLD Mac Pro is still shipping, unlike the quietly removed 17" MacBook Pro.
I've put off building a Hackintosh as Apple would make something that met my companies minimum requirements. This new round of iToy Macs means that why spend the $19.95 + tax change to Mountain Lion. I may do that purchase, but will keep it on only testing partitions for a while. Having a 1st Gen Mac Pro I have been told that Mountain Lion will not work. I'm still running Mac OS 10.6 on my MacBook Pro. The WOW factor of the new Mac OS has not been there for a while. No wonder these iOS on the Mac updates have been so cheap. There's that old saying that we get what we pay for. Thus pay little, get little.
Sounds right on the money. Do you think the iMacs and Minis will release with Ivy Bridge i5 or i7?
Just thinking this morning, after reading most of what was said over the last two days regarding the desktop Macs. The articles and Apple have clarified that the Mac Pro is being redesigned in 2013, not the iMac. This helps us out to speculate with some reasoning.
- The portable line was fully refreshed this week. All in sync with similar specs/options [Ivy Bridge, USB 3, TB] iMac and Mac Mini - the last 2-4 updates for both have been either at the same time or within a month or so, so they are basically in sync, sort of. Mac Pro is on its own really, and the audience is a bit different anyway.
- I see the iMac and Mac Mini updating in one month [July 2012], shipping with Mountain Lion [no technical reason though]. This delay is to simply not take away from the chatter and reviews of the new MacBook Pro Retina. Simple as that. It is about maximizing the press on the portable line, then press releasing the iMac and Mini in July to coincide with ML. [with Ivy Bridge, USB 3, Intel 4000 graphics and possibly updated discrete GPU in appropriate models. Maaaaayybe new SSD/HDD options] No Retina, nothing else really. Parity with the portable lineup.
- Retina displays will debut across the portable line over the next 1-2 years, then make their way into iMac and TB Display in 2013-14.
This is just a hunch, but I feel that it is this simple. No malice or spitefulness on Apple's part, just maximizing the press exposure for the latest newness. Mac Pro, well, maybe a quiet option upgrade before the redesign, like an updated GPU or if they figure out TB on PCIe card.
Again, just a hunch, but I feel pretty good saying it.
But they may have so much money that they will forget about this update. 18 months is a long time to wait.
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I thought that the article said later in 2013. To me that means after the middle of June at the very least. And maybe as late as New Year's Eve. Apple as well as most other companies tend to deliver at the end of the date range that they talk about. Why would this be any different?
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But until the computer is shipping & in our hands it is just another piece of Vapor Ware. With the quiet deletion of the 17" MacBook Pro I am not very long on trust when it comes to the Mac. Apple is all about iToys. Some of us are about doing a lot of real computer intensive work.