So you admit that for some people, working remotely all the time, is viable.. ?
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You literally said you jumped at the chance to spend time in the office, away from your home. How else do you expect people to interpret that?
You didn't say "I jumped at the chance to get out and enjoy life with my family" because "lockdowns" made us all depressed and claustrophobic. You did specifically mention time away from your home, at your office. The one place it's usually safe to assume, the rest of your family won't be.
I don’t wear a tie to work either. Even the CEO of my company doesn’t and I think it’s less of a stiff approach when you are smart but not too formal. A lot of visitors to our company seem to wear suits and ties though, so it’s not that uncommon even now.Never understood why internal bank IT folks need to wear a tie. They are picked up with/cramped into a bus at the railway station. In my head someone wearing a tie is restricted to doing meetings and has nothing to do with public transportation.
You're saying people can't work remotely all the time, as a blanket statement.
I haven’t claimed anything about myself or my staff wearing a suit and tie. We don’t. I wear a shirt and trousers though. Wearing board shorts and a T-shirt wouldn’t be appropriate when meeting some of our clients. Software companies tend to be much more relaxed in that regard and all of our IT specialists work remotely and have minimal contact to the day to day staff working within our company.
I didn't base that statement on your opinion.
I based it on you saying you "jumped at the chance to split time between home and the office"
Just respect each other
It's hard to respect someone when they keep insisting that they surely know what "everyone" wants and how "everyone" works best, and ignores all other input on the topic.
Not sure what type of marketing you are referring to but the marketing departments I have worked with are teams of people. Handing out flyers on the high street is a sector I am not at all familiar with.
Well holy ****, how on earth do they cope?
I thought you told us "everyone is more productive when face to face" and "everyone wants to get back to the office".
back to the point I made twice before, it depends on the job. Some can't work remotely any of the time and some can split between office and workplace. People like yoursef work 100% of the time from home. I haven't blanket stated anything as I am not the one suggesting everybody who works via a computer is capable and to be trusted working remotely. The pendamic for me exposed how some are very productive when working remotely and some quite literally take the mick.
Apple are obviously a company that see the benefit of splitting employee's time between home and office and I would assume they have data that suggests this works to their benefit and is a generous package for the employees. Its also nice from a business perspective to get people back to the office and collaborating in a face to face manner., in my humble opinion
So by me saying 'i jumped at the chance to work some of the time back in the workplace', you assumed I have a 'miserable home life'? Personally i think you said that because it was something negative to say to me because you disagree with my opinion, and not a particularly nice thing to say either.
What input am I ignoring on this topic? The fact you prefer working from home and are very productive? I support that and respect that.
And yet you keep insisting that people who until recently worked in an office, cannot work remotely. No one is saying they all should or can or want to. But you have repeatedly claimed that they cannot.
No "it depends on the job". No ****, everything depends on something. But that hasn't been your argument. You've been arguing that everyone needs to either work from an office all the time, or at best split their time between an office and home/remote.
Who has made this claim?
Why would you assume that? You're assuming the same thing and have no such data.
Every time Apple does something, people are always so quick to come out with the "I assume they have data on this".... until it's something they don't agree with, and then Apple have "made a mistake".
You still haven't identified why.
45 pages in, and we still haven't heard a conclusive argument that holds water when compared to actual planned remote working.
As I said before, if your (and I don't mean just @The-Real-Deal82) 'basis' for evaluating remote work is a bunch of people scared out of their minds about an apocalypse and forced to work from their dining table or sofa with somewhere between zero and **** all time or resources to prepare, you need to realise that is not indicative of actual remote working.
If you want to continue to use such a situation as the basis for comparing the two, I'm going to start using the movie Bloodsucking Bastards as the representative basis for office work in such comparisons. Not only are half the workers lazy and incompetent - but somehow not fired - there's also vampires.
I read this exact statement, and interpret that to mean you're not happy to spend that extra time at your home, yes.
It had nothing to do with being unhappy and everything to do with being glad to have a change of scenery after 10 months working solidly from home. Love my wife and 2 daughters, but also enjoy working with my colleagues. My home life is very happy and apologies if that sentence in any way suggsted I wasn't. That was not the inetion or even something I considered when i wrote it.
I am working from home tomorrow and Thursday this week, so it is clearly something I support and benefit from.
Fair enough.
After a year and a half of limited activities away from home already, worsening control of the apocalypse here and realistically no vaccination until October at the earliest, I'll be glad to be able to go get that change of scenery with my family. That's why I understood your statement the way I did.
Yes, I did ”read what I replied to.” I don’t waste “hours per week sitting in traffic.” I spend five minutes per day walking each way.
Perhaps their "arguments" are based more on envy than reason?
Envious of people working from home? It’s nice sometimes but not everybody wants it all of the time. When I was doing it 100% of the time during the pandemic, the novelty soon wore off for me and most that I know. Some people love it though.
Apple offered a great proposal here and for those that quit, that’s probably for the best
Yeah it’s all because people are working from home. Not due to the chip shortage at all.
And according to people here, enhancements = innovation. So there was A LOT of innovation for this keynote.
Things NEED to slow down. Apple, and Microsoft too, have been releasing such buggy software the last few years. I’d be happy to see them both slow down.
Not in the least. I certainly don’t want to spend my valuable time mowing a massive lawn, or maintaining far more property than I need. You do you. I’m going to the Hamptons. 😂
OMG, who pays you? Apple. Apple is the company you WORK FOR, who PAYS your salary.... don't like, move on.
If you don't like working there move on; many would love to. What is happening in this world, no respect.
If you don't like working there move on; many would love to. What is happening in this world, no respect.
All of them? How does that work when their job requires the use of equipment or tools they don’t have at home?
The vast majority of software companies enjoyed the same if not increased productivity due to working from home, with there being actual large-scale studies on this confirming that. When you consider how much money and energy is saved by not:
- renting office space
- paying for monthly parking which is mad expensive downtown
- having to wake up an hour early to get ready
- being stuck for possibly hours a day in bumper to bumper traffic
- increased gas, maintenance costs, chances of accidents, more insurance costs
all to go sit down in front of our monitors with headphones on…
it’s really a no brainer for the majority of companies to go remote. There may be exceptions with some offices demanding more in person collaboration (design and such) but devs in general don’t need to be showing up at the office on a daily basis. I hope Apple at least offers a hybrid solution to these people.
- renting office space
- paying for monthly parking which is mad expensive downtown
- having to wake up an hour early to get ready
- being stuck for possibly hours a day in bumper to bumper traffic
- increased gas, maintenance costs, chances of accidents, more insurance costs
all to go sit down in front of our monitors with headphones on…
it’s really a no brainer for the majority of companies to go remote. There may be exceptions with some offices demanding more in person collaboration (design and such) but devs in general don’t need to be showing up at the office on a daily basis. I hope Apple at least offers a hybrid solution to these people.
Software companies…there are quite a few Fortune 500 companies who aren’t software companies where a culture of in-person meetings works best. Yeah for those who may be an island full 100% remote is an option.