Apple Staff Complain About Plans for Return to Office Work in Letter to Tim Cook

[Silverstring]

No wonder it took you so long to reply, you're writing novels over there, I'ma keep it short and sweet for your big brain to keep up.

If OUR children (regardless if you're a parent or not, their OUR children because we are all humans and THEY ARE THE FUTURE) have to go back into learning environments because it is NOW deemed safe enough for them to return, then it's perfectly acceptable thinking for a company to assume all able bodied adults who can SAFELY return to work do so. That's the point I'm making, stop writing novels trying to make yourself look smart or logical, you sound dumb AF, if my niece and nephew gotta risk catching corona or whatever new strain that's fresh of the expressway from hell then you gotta go out there and catch it too. 🤷🏽‍♂️

I'll keep it short and simple, don't want to overwhelm you:

1. I agree it's safe to work on-site/in-person: I do myself.
2. Assuming working at home or remote is equally safe, are you saying people should work on site just because they can? To you there is literally no other reason to want to work remotely?
3. Removing the safety concern, do you have any other "point" against remote work?
4. Fleshing out thoughts require words...what a concept! You might familiarize yourself with it.
5. I'd encourage you to read better "novels"...sounds like your novels are more like shallow pamphlets? Hand-outs?

 

[cmcbhi]

Good on them for standing up for themselves.

Stand up and there's the door.

 

[ctucci]

Whole lotta middle managers whining how they miss standing over their staff and badgering them about TPS reports and such... Reconnecting with colleagues? We're more connected than ever, and without the 10 minutes of cube small talk for each encounter.

 

[Internaut]

Seems a bit daft to have a full house three days a week. Surely it is better to let staff choose their three days to keep a bit of space between people. This disease, and the reasons for managing the risks that go with it, aren’t going away anytime soon.

 

[Boris Bronson]

True but it also shows that when you strip away the rainbow wokery you still have management attitudes that owe more to dark satanic mills than the idealistic Apple people in their commercials.

Not that I’m surprised, these people are utterly ruthless in their nickel and diming

Cannot say I am overly surprised by how many people here are pro-Victorian working conditions.

Look at the list of nations that celebrate May Day and spot the conspicuous absence.

 

[fishmoose]

I don’t see a reason to force workers to work at site a specified days a week. Unless your work has to be done on site I think people should be able to choose freely. I can foresee a future when being able to work from home will be the most important factor when taking a job, salary excluded.

 

[Boris Bronson]

If ya don't want to come in to work, we can find someone who does.
Perhaps they forget who is paying whom.

It’s a labour exchange. If you don’t own your own business then frankly you’re an idiot if you forget that a working contract is supposed to be equitable for all parties.

 

[mdatwood]

I'm love remote work, and have been mostly remote for my entire career. Companies are free to set their own policies though. I know (everyone knows) Apple is an in person company. I know people who got jobs at Apple, started remote, and eventually had to move to the HQ. For that reason (among others), I've never applied to work at Apple - and that's fine.

When/If Apple has problems finding talent they will change. Until then, if people want to be fully remote, there are plenty of jobs elsewhere.

 

[Silverstring]

Forget the employees of Apple. What an outdated, lazy group of posters I stumbled across.

Who on earth cares where Apple employees work? The article clearly states Apple had an outdated telework policy before the pandemic, was forced to let everyone work remotely during the pandemic, found out to their shock and awe that it worked fine, and is relaxing the policy in the new normal. Corporate employees are asking for it to be relaxed further.

Why on earth do you care?

Very easy answers.

Many of you hate your jobs, hate your lives, don’t have the ability to work remotely, and hate anyone else who does.

Many of you have a little prestige, had a little advancement, from the help of education loans, support from friends and family and the kindness of coworkers who helped you climb the ladder, and now you think you’re a big shot who got there all alone and hate anyone else who asks for anything along the way.

Many of you have been conditioned to lash out at anyone who isn’t a stick-in-the-mud to the old guard and you whip out “SJW” and “woke” like you get coins and power-ups every time you use them in a sentence.

The last year proved the world doesn’t need cavernous office parks with supervisors watching over people’s backs with clipboards. Why do you think Apple offered a 3 day work week? Does anyone believe it’s because they expect productivity to drop 40% and they’re willing to eat it?

That said, unless you work for Apple, or work for a competitor who may be affected by Apple’s policies impacting competitors, it doesn’t impact you. If it does make you feel furious that you have to drive into the office everyday because you can’t stand your own life and raging against someone getting a better deal makes you feel better about yourself, I guess it’s more healthy to do it here than to subject your family to another screaming match. But for those of you still thinking, remember Apple could accept two days of remote work, so they can easily accept three days, or a two day, three day, two day rotation. This is how compromise works, despite you hating that the world isn’t the same as it was in 1968.

I'm not a remote worker, am not young and anywhere near my first job, and I *enjoy* going into the office—and I still think you nailed it.

Watch, you'll get thumbs down reactions, or criticisms about your writing style/length, or called lazy and entitled yourself...but someone responding to the points you raised? Won't happen, because it can't. The people on the other side of the argument know they don't have evidence otherwise, so they have to attack using some other vector.

 

[thatsmyfish]

If ya don't want to come in to work, we can find someone who does.
Perhaps they forget who is paying whom.

You know what’s funny?

There are a few shuttered restaurants whining they can’t open because employees won’t work for $7 an hour with no benefits and a red-faced boss who actually use that as a recruiting slogan.

 

[JokerGengy]

I'll keep it short and simple, don't want to overwhelm you:

1. I agree it's safe to work on-site/in-person: I do myself.
2. Assuming working at home or remote is equally safe, are you saying people should work on site just because they can? To you there is literally no other reason to want to work remotely?
3. Removing the safety concern, do you have any other "point" against remote work?
4. Fleshing out thoughts require words...what a concept! You might familiarize yourself with it.
5. I'd encourage you to read better "novels"...sounds like your novels are more like shallow pamphlets? Hand-outs?

Feel free to continuously try and talk down to me just because I don't agree with you 100%. I've already stated that you're correct most people who work from home are just as productive or even more, go back and read all my replies I never state that the work doesn't get done or the person is lazy about the actual work load. I've only stated it's lazy to not wanna come in to work even though it's safe to do so......these are cry babies who are upset Tim said come to the office 72 hrs a pay period, IF THE KIDS GOTTA GO, THEN WE ALL SHOULD GO and shoulder the responsibility we all have to our community and our fellow man in trying to return some normalcy to ALL OF OUR LIVES.

Answer the question......If it's safe for the kids then why should the adults be treated any differently? I continue to hammer this point home because a office building like the Stargate apple built for these BUMS is no different than a school (well we all know the school is inadequate in comparison) it houses a large number of people in a closed in space where verbal interaction is key to the environment, if the kids have no choice but to do as the school system and the adults tell them then it's perfectly OK for a company paying the money that apple pays to ask their employees to BRING DAT @$$.


Go ahead and belittle me and talk to me as if I'm some toddler or inferior being ......I still breathe and continue to get money either way🤷🏽‍♂️💯🙌🏼😎

 

[thatsmyfish]

I'm not a remote worker, am not young and anywhere near my first job, and I *enjoy* going into the office—and I still think you nailed it.

Watch, you'll get thumbs down reactions, or criticisms about your writing style/length, or called lazy and entitled yourself...but someone responding to the points you raised? Won't happen, because it can't. The people on the other side of the argument know they don't have evidence otherwise, so they have to attack using some other vector.

Precisely. I wonder how many SJW power ups they’ll get. 😂

I get so much more done remotely than I ever did in the office. 5-6pm is my second wind and I’m not spending it fighting with traffic. I can turn the computer on at 10pm if I had a brainstorm.

Are there days I need to be in the office? Of course. Some tasks are easier, some are necessary, and I’d never want to do 100% remote, but from the company that literally invented FaceTime, why do you need to be in the same room with people to work with them? There’s an app for that.

 

[thatsmyfish]

Feel free to continuously try and talk down to me just because I don't agree with you 100%. I've already stated that you're correct most people who work from home are just as productive or even more, go back and read all my replies I never state that the work doesn't get done or the person is lazy about the actual work load. I've only stated it's lazy to not wanna come in to work even though it's safe to do so......these are cry babies who are upset Tim said come to the office 72 hrs a pay period, IF THE KIDS GOTTA GO, THEN WE ALL SHOULD GO and shoulder the responsibility we all have to our community and our fellow man in trying to return some normalcy to ALL OF OUR LIVES.

Answer the question......If it's safe for the kids then why should the adults be treated any differently? I continue to hammer this point home because a office building like the Stargate apple built for these BUMS is no different than a school (well we all know the school is inadequate in comparison) it houses a large number of people in a closed in space where verbal interaction is key to the environment, if the kids have no choice but to do as the school system and the adults tell them then it's perfectly OK for a company paying the money that apple pays to ask their employees to BRING DAT @$$.


Go ahead and belittle me and talk to me as if I'm some toddler or inferior being ......I still breathe and continue to get money either way🤷🏽‍♂️💯🙌🏼😎

Kids learn best in person.

Workers do not work best in person.

👍

 

[Halikaarn]

Apple is so rich, what do they care if people are working from home? If you want the best people give them the best options. Commenters calling these employees entitled are jealous.

 

[Tikatika]

California will require masks be worn in the workplace until the first of the year.

 

[Blowback]

A large group of Apple employees are opposing the company's plans to require three days of in-person work a week from September, according to a internal letter seen by The Verge.

In the detailed letter sent yesterday afternoon, addressed to CEO Tim Cook and the company's executive leadership, the Apple employees said that they want a more flexible approach where those who want to work remotely are able to do so.



Earlier this week, Tim Cook sent a note to Apple employees explaining that they will need to return to the office for at least three days a week starting in September. Teams that require in-person work will return to the office for four to five days a week, but most employees will still be able to have two days of remote work. Employees will also be able to work entirely remotely for up to two weeks every year, but the remote work requests will need to be approved by managers.



The new remote working policy is a distinctive easing compare to the company's previous working from home policy, but some Apple staff believe that the new plan does not go far enough and is "not sufficient in addressing many of our needs."

Benefits of more flexible work highlighted by the employees included diversity and inclusion in retention and hiring, tearing down previously-existing communication barriers, better work-life balance, better integration of existing remote workers, and reduced spread of pathogens.



The letter reportedly began in an Apple Slack channel for "remote work advocates" with around 2,800 members. As many as 80 employees are said to have been involved in writing and editing the note.

The letter summarised its formal requests as follows:



See the full letter at The Verge for more information.

Article Link: Apple Staff Complain About Plans for Return to Office Work in Letter to Tim Cook

You were Hired, and Work For, a Company! Get over it!!! Or: Exercise your ‘Rights’ and ….LEAVE! End of what should not even be a discussion.

 

[Blowback]

You're not promoting empowerment and are against inclusivity. Anyone asking them to go back to the office is racist, imho.

You forgot your ‘sarcasm’ emoji…..

 

[ctucci]

If some prefer to telework I don't see why a company would say no as long as the work is done
It's less fees for the company (office cost a lot) and less fees for the employee

However, this is a dangerous game for the employee in the long run
Why would they hire people from the US where they need to give them 200k$+ per year when they can hire people from other places (India or even Europe) where they pay them 5 to 10 times less?
As soon as everything is fully remote, there is no reason to hire from the US

Helluva good point.

 

[thatsmyfish]

You were Hired, and Work For, a Company! Get over it!!! Or: Exercise your ‘Rights’ and ….LEAVE! End of what should not even be a discussion.

And if you hate your job, hate your salary, get no respect or trust from your employer, and if you have to take it, they have to take it as well.

 

[Blowback]

Apple is so rich, what do they care if people are working from home? If you want the best people give them the best options. Commenters calling these employees entitled are jealous.

NO…..realists and not MSM fed …..(fill in the blank….).

 

[Abazigal]

I don’t see a reason to force workers to work at site a specified days a week. Unless your work has to be done on site I think people should be able to choose freely. I can foresee a future when being able to work from home will be the most important factor when taking a job, salary excluded.

I imagine the days when they have to back at the workplace typically coincide with meetings with other people. So what I am guessing will happen is that all the meetings will be scheduled during these few days, and they can then use the rest of the time to get their work done.

So people may not really have that much of a say in when they want to come back.

 

[JokerGengy]

Kids learn best in person.

Workers do not work best in person.

👍

So all of these hundreds of years of societal development came from the millions of people working at home and apart from all their fellow coworkers because "Workers do not work best in person" 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣 Let me get you a chair.......you need to have a seat.

 

[Jbusick7944]

The environmental impact request is stupid. As if those same people aren’t leaving their house and driving other places?

 

[fishmoose]

I imagine the days when they have to back at the workplace typically coincide with meetings with other people. So what I am guessing will happen is that all the meetings will be scheduled during these few days, and they can then use the rest of the time to get their work done.

So people may not really have that much of a say in when they want to come back.

I can only speak for myself and my workplace but online meetings are so much more effective than meetings on-site. Don’t see a reason why everyone has to be on-site for a meeting. Some can be remote, some on-site.

 

[gagarin04]

Damn the workers at Apple.

What matters is what's good for the company and shareholders. As long as we can extract as much labour for the lowest possible cost, I'm happy. No compromise with workers whining about working hours and/or location.

Larger pockets for the shareholders and executives, smaller pockets for the entitled whining workers. Payment where payment is due.