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So are they gonna break the tick-tock sequence?

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One partial-iteration does not make a sequence. Just because it went 1,1 ; 1,2 the first time does not imply they would do the same the second time.
 
Here's my theory:

iPhone OS 3,1 is the emulation version of the iPhone that runs on the Mac OSX-based tablet.

They are not field testing the next-gen phone. They are testing the new tablet. To leverage the incredible strengths of the App Store, the tablet will be able to run all iPhone apps (plus new ones yet to be created to take advantage of the tablet form-factor), as well as regular Mac OSX applications.

I'd rather have this than a new iPhone, hands down! My 3GS is fine. The camera is fine. Takes decent pictures to be honest. Everyone looks bad in flash anyway. I don't want a front facing camera.The mp's are fine also but SHARPER lens would be cool with me. More mp's does not = sharper images, just a bigger file so you can blow it up bigger. And really...when have you ever wanted to actually print an iPhone photo.

I would, however, like AT&T to legally unlock the darn thing. That's all I want. And this magical tablet. And better battery life...but borrowing iPhone cables for charging when you forget yours is such a thing to do these days. It's like bumming a cigarette. All the cool kids are doing it. lol.
 
(F)or the 1,000,000,000,000th time Verizon would have just as much trouble as AT&T if they had as many data consuming iPhone users!

That claim doesn't have any technical reasoning behind it.

The only common failing they might've have is lack of backhaul bandwidth, and Verizon's been updating theirs hugely for coming 4G.

Otherwise, there are three major differences between the two networks:

1) Verizon has far greater coverage to prevent drops, especially from 3G to 2G.

2) Verizon designed their cells for CDMA from the start. This is critical. ATT did not, and now suffers from droppage because of having GSM-planned cells backfitted to WCDMA 3G.

3) Verizon keeps 3G and voice networks separate, which means a heavy user load on one does not affect the other. ATT combines voice+data on 3G and will drop (and/or block) users of either kind when the cell gets loaded. (see also #2)
 
Connections

From hearing about 'the cellular phone carrier group' all smart phones will be adopting the micro-USB as the standard connector for data and power on mobile devices, as of January 30, 2009.
So i personally think apple will drop their standard 30 pin connector and replace it with the more widely used mini-USB.
 
From hearing about 'the cellular phone carrier group' all smart phones will be adopting the micro-USB as the standard connector for data and power on mobile devices, as of January 30, 2009.
So i personally think apple will drop their standard 30 pin connector and replace it with the more widely used mini-USB.

sounds like that could wreak havoc with peripherals and accessories that use that connector. Unless they plan to add a separate microUSB connector in addition to the 30 pin so the phone can continue to work with old peripherals.
 
Looking forward to this device. As always, I'll go with my typical move... keep my current phone jailbroken / unlocked, buy the new one the day it comes out, sell the old one on eBay, make a small to medium profit, and enjoy the new phone! Great success!
 
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One partial-iteration does not make a sequence. Just because it went 1,1 ; 1,2 the first time does not imply they would do the same the second time.
I agree - it isn't really a tick-tock at all.

First version - new everything
3G - slightly changed clockspeed, 3G, new design
3Gs - exact same outside, new CPU / memory
next - ?

This has not been a tick/tock pattern. I think you're thinking of Intel's tick-tock pattern, and they actually use the term themselves!
 
Don't you think it would have to include LTE and the 700 MHz frequency?

LTE radio would not be included. LTE is not even out for mayor carriers, hence, no need for it. HSPA+ radio is a more likely choice.

That claim doesn't have any technical reasoning behind it.

The only common failing they might've have is lack of backhaul bandwidth, and Verizon's been updating theirs hugely for coming 4G.

Otherwise, there are three major differences between the two networks:

1) Verizon has far greater coverage to prevent drops, especially from 3G to 2G.

2) Verizon designed their cells for CDMA from the start. This is critical. ATT did not, and now suffers from droppage because of having GSM-planned cells backfitted to WCDMA 3G.

3) Verizon keeps 3G and voice networks separate, which means a heavy user load on one does not affect the other. ATT combines voice+data on 3G and will drop (and/or block) users of either kind when the cell gets loaded. (see also #2)

You've got to be kidding me. So you are claiming that if the pressure AT&T's network is under (a 2000% percent increase) is never going to bring Verizon's network down? So the pressure of having the equivalent of 90M blackberries will never bring Verizon done? Boy, that's one hell of a claim I don't see any evidence for. You have to back it up somehow. Saying stuff like that doesn't make it so. Also, Verizon will have faired no better. Remember, no one, not even Apple, saw this explosion in mobile data/browsing coming. Everyone thought it'd be a slow thing, but guess what, it wasn't so.

Sure AT&T is having problems. However, recall well that AT&T is setting up new hardware to develop 3G signal, where as Verizon has it easy with the software upgrades. There is a big difference in cost. That however, will change once Verizon goes LTE. Verizon will have to buy new hardware and infrastructure for LTE radios while AT&T will happily just software update the existing hardware.....

To address your points:

1. Coverage are the same. As far as hand off from 3G to 2G, GSM has an inherent disadvantage because while CDMA does a soft-hand off, GSM does a hard hand off (actually disconnect and reconnect). In the GSM environment, it's easier to loose a call like that, specially if the tower is being hammered.

2. So? Verizon will have the same problem with EV-DO and LTE.

3. Again, so? Their data network would be down while calls work. People will bitch at not having data or slow data speeds. Remember, EV-DO is much slower than UMTS. EDGE beat EV-DO Rev0.
 
Can't wait but will

My 3G is doing just fine, and there is an App for everything, haha. Love that commercial also.

I could see multicore and maybe even better video card but what I am really wondering is LED or OLED for the next incarnation of the iphone, Love to see more resolution but hope they keep the same size which is perfect for me.
 
Not shocking, and yet it is still on AT&T's network. Also, that means Apple is nearing final production details on the new iPhone.

The whole 3,1 monicker makes me think this iPhone will be very different internally. A whole tick in the front numbers means new hardware revision (1,1 v 2,1 v 3,1).

I hope Apple goes back to the Aluminum finish it gave the 1st Gen iPhone.

Unibody iphone, now that be interesting to see, but metal my understanding makes it harder for connections, unless this is a resolved issue.
 
But that's just Apple though, I can barely think of one phone company who has made a phone without a removable battery

I for one thing that Apple's stance on not having a removable battery to dead on.

I can't tell you the number of times that I've dropped non-iPhones and the battery goes flying off on the floor and the phone itself needs to be taped together.

I've dropped my iPhone several times (the first day I had my iPhone I had it on my desk and walked away, forgetting that I had headphones connected and it hit the floor hard and guess what, no damage!) and it's no worst for wear. I've been using a 1st generation iPhone since they came out and it's still perfect. I don't even carry it in a case any more (hoping that it would break and give me an excuse to upgrade to a 3Gs).

The next iPhone will be coming out in early Summer. Expect a better display and better camera.
 
Here's my theory:

iPhone OS 3,1 is the emulation version of the iPhone that runs on the Mac OSX-based tablet.

They are not field testing the next-gen phone. They are testing the new tablet. To leverage the incredible strengths of the App Store, the tablet will be able to run all iPhone apps (plus new ones yet to be created to take advantage of the tablet form-factor), as well as regular Mac OSX applications.

Bingo. :apple:
 
From hearing about 'the cellular phone carrier group' all smart phones will be adopting the micro-USB as the standard connector for data and power on mobile devices, as of January 30, 2009.
So i personally think apple will drop their standard 30 pin connector and replace it with the more widely used mini-USB.

Nope Apple will be using a special doggle.
 
Since we are all posting our wish list for the next iphone.
I'd love to see...

A better screen
Improvements to the camera.
Google Voice
Larger hard drive size
Any increase in speed and performance with the processor is always nice.
Tethering
NFC payment support

I'd also like them to announce more 3rd party developers that have created hardware for the iphone.
 
I've never actually used it, or seen anyone use it, but that's not the point, it was always tied to expensive video calling, if apple used it as a webcam for ichat, that'd be amazing, people might use it then.

Considering we pay a whole lot more to att for an iphone imagine the :eek: that att would have if the data been moved with the iphone was now 300% :D

That one expensive toy, rather have more GPU, CPU, and memory. Less complicated extra that add no real value to what I use the iphone for, same for the camera 3Gs is fine from what I have seen, need more, real camera real video is better every time, though catching that cop smacking some guy on the street, priceless.
 
sounds like that could wreak havoc with peripherals and accessories that use that connector. Unless they plan to add a separate microUSB connector in addition to the 30 pin so the phone can continue to work with old peripherals.

Not going to happen, when do we care what others do, and apple cares even less, look how they are trying to move away from even using USB to the new fiber, its only a matter of time before apple climbs on a new horse and says goodbye to others.
 
But that's just Apple though, I can barely think of one phone company who has made a phone without a removable battery
Are we not talking about the iPhone and not any other phone? If you don’t like it you can choose a different brand but it seems there are plenty of people that don’t mind having an internal battery. How many spare batteries do you carry with you and why is the iPhone’s options for additional juice not sufficient?


How about a Screen-Zoom feature or Resolution Independence. I wish :apple: would and could use the proximity sensor while typing to increase or zoom the keys nearest to your thumb or finger when reaching to press it. That would be a million dollar feature right there. At present the virtual keyboard only pop-up when you press it and defeats the purpose in usage, not to mention that others can see what key you have pressed when it pop-up.
RI doesn’t resolve any problem. It’s still trying to cram everything that was on a 3.5” display into a 2.8” display.


But with that logic, the iPhone is a smartphone. It should be able to cover the features even my old nokia can do. Give me a decent camera, removable battery and real bluetooth. The iPhone is the only phone I've had so far that does not allow file transfer, that's pretty weak.

EDIT: Oh, and folders too, please. Seriously.
Since when has Apple ever tried to copy others to enter a market. Let’s leave that to the Chinese knock offs.

Note that it’s Apple that now generates more profit than any other handset vendor in the world while Nokia keeps dropping huge amounts of marketshare each quarter. Perhaps the rationale of “someone else has this or that so every other product should have it” isn’t a great way to do business.
 
more touch

I think that the most logical thing apple could do, in terms of gaming, and without changing the appearance of the iPhone/iTouch dramatically is to make the areas on the front of the device, on either side of the home button and the speaker touch sensitive.
This would give developers another four "buttons" that they could use for gaming, leaving the screen for player movement, and the "buttons" for example, firing a gun or something among those lines.
The developers cloud then, instead of having to rewrite whole games for a new version, just make a menu setting for moving specific functions to the new "buttons".

This could possibly allow apple to create a function for changing songs while the touch/iPhone is in your pocket... tap the bezel on the right of the home button to go to the next song, left to backwards... either one twice to pause/play.

I personally cannot justify paying that amount of money for a device that isn't completely different to the cheap phone and old iPod i have at the moment.
 
I think that the most logical thing apple could do, in terms of gaming, and without changing the appearance of the iPhone/iTouch dramatically is to make the areas on the front of the device, on either side of the home button and the speaker touch sensitive.
This would give developers another four "buttons" that they could use for gaming, leaving the screen for player movement, and the "buttons" for example, firing a gun or something among those lines.
The developers cloud then, instead of having to rewrite whole games for a new version, just make a menu setting for moving specific functions to the new "buttons".

This could possibly allow apple to create a function for changing songs while the touch/iPhone is in your pocket... tap the bezel on the right of the home button to go to the next song, left to backwards... either one twice to pause/play.

I personally cannot justify paying that amount of money for a device that isn't completely different to the cheap phone and old iPod i have at the moment.

How would you hold the thing w/o setting off secret "features"?
 
That however, will change once Verizon goes LTE. Verizon will have to buy new hardware and infrastructure for LTE radios while AT&T will happily just software update the existing hardware.....

Incorrect. LTE is not a simple "software update". LTE will require a new IP based core, fiber/metro-ethernet backhaul, VOIP protocols, new mobile chipsets, cell-site reconfiguration and tweaking (a lengthy process seeing that new frequencies, using new propagation techniques, are required), etc.

The only advantage AT&T will have over Verizon is a fallback in to its HSPA network. Verizon's advantages are its head start in R&D, deployment, and its fiber-to-cell site program.

Also, the forum member you rail against actually has some valid points. You simply regurgitate marketing speak terms such as "software update" without any technical understanding.
 
Wha??

The 1st Gen iPhone was unibody. In fact I think it was the iPhone and MacBook Air that inspired the unibody machines.

Looks stamped to me. I think it'd be pretty common knowledge if it were milled. Like the fact that some parts of the air were milled out of solid aluminum. Besides, what's unibody about gen1? it's two separate parts. The current iPhone is more unibody than that.
 
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