How is their choice being 'disrespected' by giving others the freedom to choose?
Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything outside their safe space.
Until the apps that used to be available in the App Store start moving to alternative app stores.
How is their choice being 'disrespected' by giving others the freedom to choose?
Nobody is forcing anyone to buy anything outside their safe space.
Until the apps that used to be available in the App Store start moving to alternative app stores.
The entire point of alternative app marketplaces is so that Apple can't control them...
No. Even physically visiting Europe for a week probably won't let you access alternative app stores. You probably need your Apple ID to be in an European country.Question- Would I theoretically be able to use a VPN to access alternative app stores from the US?
The core technology fee is basically a poison pill. I would be very surprised if many alternate app stores spring up. Unless the EU says nope to Apple’s proposal.Until the apps that used to be available in the App Store start moving to alternative app stores.
No there won't. Marketplace Apps have to be downloaded from the developer's website and are not allowed in Apple's App Store.When iOS 17.4 is released, there will be new Marketplace Apps in European App Stores that you can choose to download
Probably a lot. Safe, secure and privacy respecting are major selling points for the iPhone. They might not understand the technicalities of how Apple achieves that but it’s an attractive proposition. There’s potential here for that to be damaged. But at least Apple can blame someone else for that damage.How many specifically factor in the lack of ability to sideload into the "positives" column when weighing their decision to go with an iPhone?
At the expense of people who think you are making it worse, especially when it’s being changed AFTER purchase. Talk about bait and switch.No and I absolutely understand that argument. But that’s kind of an American thing all around. If you don’t like one bad choice, you can choose the other bad choice.
It is possible to choose a platform but also still want that platform and its owner to be a little better.
America’s motto should change to “Choose The Lesser Evil”
$9.99 subscription on Mac, so that must mean it's going to be $0.99 on their 3rd party store in iOS? /sHere’s one already.
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The first alternative iOS App Store is confirmed as MacPaw's Setapp comes to iPhone as a mobile marketplace in the EU later this year
The first alternative iOS App Store is coming!www.imore.com
That is because Apple, who owns the IP around MacOS and iOS, has chosen different market strategies for monetizing their IP on Mac and iPhone.Why is it OK for the Mac to run arbitrary code but not the iPhone?
Yes, you can put apps into multiple stores. It is not really clear to me if they need different identifiers, but you supposedly need to uninstall/reinstall to switch stores.Can Netflix have their app on multiple stores? If so, does each one have a different app identifier? (Probably does.) So can you sign up in the cheaper app, then sign in on the Apple App Store version? The subscription doesn't exist on the Apple App Store version, but does Netflix check for that or just that you have a valid account?
Netflix does have games, but they are all first party games. The CTF means that you become motivated to have 'super apps' anyway since you'll be paying multiple times for multiple apps.So, should Netflix open their own App Store? Well, you can't open an App Store just to sell your own apps, so that's unlikely. Plus, it would cost too much for Netflix to get into the App Store business - with all the extra admin & costs that come with it.
What's to stop them using the existing App Store ?This will just make any decent free app developers go out of business or pull out of the EU market altogether. I hope for the benefit of all that the EU throws it out and asks Apple to go back to the drawing board.
I don’t think you understand my comment.That’s not really the point though is it? The average Joe can download stuff the exact same way they used to and skip the alt stores entirely. These users experience will be exactly the same.
I’m sure Apple will make it clear when trying to install these stores that it’s not a good idea if they don’t know what they’re doing
Porn, adult products, vape, smoking apps and the like. It will be interesting.Game stores..
Emulator stores..
Nah .. bet it'll be Adult app stores to be the first to submit their notarization docs.
I never thought about it this way. It makes so much sense.The issue was that apps like Netflix and Spotify or games like Fortnite are so popular that they don’t need App Store’s discovery feature. So they don’t feel that the huge commission is justified as it also makes them uncompetitive.
EU freedom: haha? Wake up!Don’t worry for us we’ll gladly enjoy that freedom like in macOS, while you americans ironically cry against it![]()
I understand why Apple wants to vet the apps to prevent malware…
That's one perspective, but not the only one.
Another is that the iOS world will become like Windows, and in some ways like macOS, where apps, and entire app marketplaces, are eventually abandoned because they just couldn't make a go of it. That's the piece that developers have taken for granted with the App Store. They don't have to worry about the "health" of the marketplace that they distribute apps through. They don't have to worry about payment processing, support/help desks, etc. This is what the 30% has always paid for. Now they'll be on their own, and the true cost of developing, distributing and supporting apps will become real.
You say it like it's some new thing.I love everything apple, but I feel that we don't truly have the features and freedom we could on iOS-based devices as we have with our Macs and PCs
They haven't yet explained how they think these measures are essential and justified. And there is a less-restrictive means to safeguard the integrity of iOS: Gatekeeper, just like on Mac.if the gatekeeper demonstrates that such measures are necessary and justified and that there are no less-restrictive means to safeguard the integrity of the hardware or operating system.
Thanks for directly pointing out the uncompetitiveness of these provisions.Or they could just stay in the App Store.
I love IP. It's this nebulous concept that can be spun both for and against Apple while meaning absolutely nothing in the contexts in which it's been used in these past weeksThat is because Apple, who owns the IP around MacOS and iOS, has chosen different market strategies for monetizing their IP on Mac and iPhone.
That is because Apple, who owns the IP around MacOS and iOS, has chosen different market strategies for monetizing their IP on Mac and iPhone.
Yeah, Steam is the biggest game store by far, having many more games than any Apple App store (or at last more good games). So the “look how fragmented PC gaming is!” isn’t a good argument. No app store or platform has all games, so the choice is between a platform with a single limited store, or a platform with a somewhat fragmented set of stores, but where the biggest one is better than the App Store (for games).Steam is one of the best things for gaming. I have a Steamdeck and love it! I agree and always prefer to buy Steam versions… all the other stores are a hassle. I used GoG but that disconnected too often from the linked stores (due to changing interfaces). I guess the other stores do not like initiatives like GoG…