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I wonder what form of "back-scratching" went on for a Rothschild-owned company to win Apple's premier cable contract.

Just another example of how few players there are at the top level...
 
I dunno how you all get away with it. It's happened to the majority of the cables I own. Here's my desk at work, right now:

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That cable sits on my desk its entire life. It doesn't travel or go in and out of bags. I never pull it out of the phone by tugging the cable. It just sits there. And yet, that happens.

I have had many Apple cables through the years and never had a problem with any of them. Based on the cable damage shown in your picture, it appears you have forcefully unplugged them by pulling on the cable instead of the connector.
 
Mac Mini is a low range Mac, which means it's probably still a mid range computer. It should count.

not really The mini isn't any more powerful than other computers in the same price range In fact, it's quite a bit less powerful than many $500 PCs.

ideally, there should be something in the Mac Pro form factor with desktop components rather than server components for around $1000-1500. Until then, I'll continue to build my own PCs (and install osx if I really feel like it)

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I have had many Apple cables through the years and never had a problem with any of them. Based on the cable damage shown in your picture, it appears you have forcefully unplugged them by pulling on the cable instead of the connector.

I had a cable do the same thing and it was permanently fixed to a dock The only movement is if I reposition the dock slightly. My old 2G nano cable is still perfect, so I use that one for travel
 
I'm not dismissing any issues you may have had with Apple's cables, but I find it perplexing that some people have these problems all the time and others have never, ever had them (like myself or any of my friends).

i'm with you. i've never had a problem with the iPod cables. in fact, i haven't had any problems with apple cables since the days of the powerbook barrel connectors. those were just terrible!

i think there was a batch of bad magsafe connectors in their early days, but they have always been great for me!
 
I'm not dismissing any issues you may have had with Apple's cables, but I find it perplexing that some people have these problems all the time and others have never, ever had them (like myself or any of my friends).

Some people look after their things, and some don't.


I can already hear people championing Apple as if they're the first company to adopt such a practice...

Since Volex has to spend six million dollars for retooling, it would seem that Apple is at least their first customer asking for halogen free cable. For the next customer such expenditure wouldn't be needed. It is of course possible that a small purchaser _asked_ them to produce these cables and was refused due to the cost, and that change happened just because Apple is a big customer.


I wonder what form of "back-scratching" went on for a Rothschild-owned company to win Apple's premier cable contract.

Just another example of how few players there are at the top level...

WTF? You are suggesting that something illegal went on between this company and Apple, and your only evidence is that they produce stuff for Apple?
 
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"What toxic substances aren't in the product"?
How about toxic substances that are in the product?
 
One of the biggest ways Apple could go green would be to have a mid range desktop where you don't have to throw away a perfectly good screen when you buy the next model.

One of the biggest ways you can go green is to take the computer you're replacing to an Apple Store so it can be recycled, rather than throwing it away. Duh!
 
One of the biggest ways you can go green is to take the computer you're replacing to an Apple Store so it can be recycled, rather than throwing it away. Duh!

Is it really an environmental victory to be recycling a functional computer that is only 2-3 years old? I mean, EOL recycling is important for computers that are legitimately past usefulness, but there's a point at which this is ridiculous.
 
I have had many Apple cables through the years and never had a problem with any of them. Based on the cable damage shown in your picture, it appears you have forcefully unplugged them by pulling on the cable instead of the connector.

Yes, I, and dozens of other posters here at Mac rumors have been lying to you for years. We've been pulling on the cables and telling you we don't.

You got us.
 
Nice.

I mean I would like to bitch... but I can't- this is just a nice move by Apple.
 
Apple always claims to be super green, but when you look at charts of the most Green computer manufacturers, Apple is usually somewhere in the middle. The products themselves are fairly green, but from what I can gather, the manufacturing process is not.
 
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Dude, do you use your cable to whip people or something?

Quit being so damn oafish.
 
Yes, I, and dozens of other posters here at Mac rumors have been lying to you for years. We've been pulling on the cables and telling you we don't.

You got us.

Sorry if you were offended. I merely stated my personal experience with at least a dozen such connectors and, what your damage looked like. Only you know how they have been handled.
 
Yes, I, and dozens of other posters here at Mac rumors have been lying to you for years. We've been pulling on the cables and telling you we don't.

You got us.

I have several of the Apple cables that have fallen apart. The newer ones seem to be the worse and the oldest one seems to hold up the best to the abuse though it did finally dies on me as it met death by vacuum cleaner but it was from my old click wheel 20g iPod. The others from iPod touchs and iPhones from the family all show a little damage. The cables that hold up the best seem to be the cheaper 3rd party ones. Apple "quality" cables are more like over price POS when something that cost 1/2 as much to less holds up better something is very very wrong.
 
I have several of the Apple cables that have fallen apart. The newer ones seem to be the worse and the oldest one seems to hold up the best to the abuse

I remember the firewire cable that shipped with the first-generation iPod being incredibly well built.

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I'm not dismissing any issues you may have had with Apple's cables, but I find it perplexing that some people have these problems all the time and others have never, ever had them (like myself or any of my friends).

As an IT Manager for a small business, I support about 60 iOS devices of various sorts. The cable on my desk, which has been used to set up and upgrade all of these devices numerous times, is still in perfect condition, though the 4" of cable leading up to the dock connector is certainly far dirtier than the rest.

Though I've replaced dozens of cables because they happened to walk off, I've only replaced 7 over the past 4 years because they frayed in the typical manner. This might seem a bit high until I mention that I've only replaced frayed cables for two users (Ironically both are officers).
 
Sorry if you were offended. I merely stated my personal experience with at least a dozen such connectors and, what your damage looked like. Only you know how they have been handled.

FWIW I've had a bunch of iPhone/iPod cables too, and one has done what was posted above, which was a newer one, as others have said (out of probably 6-7 official Apple iPod cables I've had to date, starting with the 3rd Gen firewire iPod). The rest are in fine shape thus far. The only other cable I legitimately destroyed anytime recently, that I can remember, is an Eee power cable, which I shredded with the vacuum three years ago. I have a percolator that we got at a garage sale, and the power cable (God knows how old) exploded and almost started a fire, two years ago. Otherwise, I can't think of the last time I broke a power cable. In any event, I suppose I might be less than gentle with it, but all my various bluetooth headset, Garmin watch, other cell phones, Kindles, netbook, etc cables have held up just fine.
 
No kidding... screw this earth! It's not like it's the only place we have to live... oh wait...

The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles … hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages … And we think some plastic bags and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet isn’t going anywhere. WE ARE!

- George Carlin
 
Smartass. :) It was a perhaps-inappropriate use of hyperbole, I'll give you that.

But in the interest of SCIENCE™, I just asked my Apple geek friends via IM and all my Twitter followers (about 1500) and no one who responded has had any problems.

Not at all… If I were being a 'smartass' I'd have suggested that you mustn't have many friends. ;) (But now you tell me you have 1500 Twitter followers :eek: so you deprived me that indulgence.)

Some people look after their things, and some don't.

This is true, but what it means to 'look after things' isn't black and white. There are people who trash their stuff, people who place their stuff behind display cabinets on beds of cotton wool, and everyone in between. I've already said that I never remove the connector by pulling on the cable, as some commentors insist we must have done. I have never knowingly done this. But I have also said that I sometimes use a device while it is charging, which means that a certain amount of movement is going to happen, and this movement invariably tends to focus on the point at which the cable meets the connector. IMO, this is a reasonable amount of care for what the product is designed to do, and a cable ought to stand up to such use. You can blame damage on the user, for not nursing there cable through life as some people must do, or you can look to the designer to make things more durable.

This whole issue of some people not taking care of their stuff reminds me of the discussion about the glass back on the iPhone 4 and 4S. Some people fall into the Apple-can-do-no-wrong camp, and emphasise that the phone is a delicate piece of high-tech equipment which needs to be treated like fine china. Then there's the other group (of which I am one), which believes the purpose of the product dictates how durable it really ought to be. In this case, we're talking about a mobile phone which, by nature of its very purpose and design, is out and about in different environments and at risk of being dropped from time to time. Obviously people need to take care to avoid this, but sometimes it will happen. Currently there is a divide between the ideal durability of these products, and the reality. But Apple widened that divide with the iPhone 4 by doubling the amount of glass in the product, and they did this for aesthetic reasons. That's not an opinion—those are the facts. Some consumers will happily make the trade, others will not. But let's not put all the blame on the user, when Apple has the ability to make things more durable than they sometimes do.

The unibody design of their laptops is a great example of where a new process improved both aesthetics and durability. This is the kind of excellence I personally expect from Apple. Apple has built a brand on going the extra mile, of paying meticulous attention to even the smallest details of their product designs, to delight the user at every turn. They haven't done this with the design of these cables. I know they could design something better.
 
The new ones need replacing every few months (meaning I have to drive to the Apple store too), which is more eco-friendly than having one cable last for 5 years is it?

Right. Speaking of cars, they illustrate the point well… A significant amount of a car's lifetime carbon emissions comes from its manufacture. So generally, its better for the environment to keep an old car on the road longer, rather than produce a new, more efficient one. Longer lasting stuff = a reduction in energy and waste.

It's also interesting how Apple touts glass as such a highly recyclable material, and that it starting placing a sheet of it in front of every display not too long after all the hubbub about them not using environmentally friendly materials. But in reality, the glass (in all but the touchscreen devices) is entirely unnecessary. It simply adds more material to the device, which is against the 'reduce' principle. (Not to mention the reflections it adds to the display—worse than even a normal gloss display.) So you have to wonder how much of this is genuine concern for the environment, and how much is just marketing.
 
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