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Seen lots of people showing no sympathy to those employees asking to work from home. Then, how about eased traffic? How about less crowded transport system? How about cutting down building rents? Apple is always going to be exception but WFH isn’t something that has to be avoided at all costs as soon as pandemic is over. And for apple kicking employees, I’m fairly confident they are capable of kicking anyone in a moments notice that is not the core dude (Tim Cook circle), and wont suffer much backlash from other employee.
Most people behave like crabs in a bucket so thats why the lack of empathy for the fellow worker and the mass bootlicking to the masters. Kind of pathetic actually.
 
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People are compensated for work by being paid. You don’t get to dictate how your employer runs their business. It’s nice to be happy in your career but it’s not supposed to be utopia. That’s why it’s called work.
Exactly! It’s not even a democracy where everyone can vote on anything. It’s called business.
 
I’m sorry, but im not understanding what there EVEN IS to complain about here.

I was NEVER given the option to work from home AT ALL during the entire pandemic. There was never a break for me either.
To put the cherry on top, my job LITERALLY can be done from home. My boss was just an ass who thought the virus was a hoax.
There was no excuse to not let me work from home.

The MFers at Apple have a futuristic spoon in their mouth. They get 2 days to work from
Home a week, STILL. On top of them getting the golden treatment during the pandemic with loads of benefits.

if you’re complaining, you need to get lost and get a real job, and you will see what complaining really is.
Working at the Apple headquarters is a luxury to most Americans that they will never get to have, in 100 lifetimes.
Go get a job that appreciates and values rather than projecting your lousy job on everyone else and thinking that’s how every should live or value themselves. You can listen to every work your corporate overlord says while someone of us will make demands and create happy lives for ourselves.
 
Go get a job that appreciates and values rather than projecting your lousy job on everyone else and thinking that’s how every should live or value themselves. You can listen to every work your corporate overlord says while someone of us will make demands and create happy lives for ourselves.
It’s great that you are happy with yourself and those people who’d like to work from home will resign and have a happy lives for themselves as well while people who don’t mind working traditional way will be hired at Apple and be happy too. Win-win-win so what’s the problem here really? 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Lol what an old mindset. You actually do have a right to dictate how you work. You are being paid for talent that you have. In Apple’s employee’s cases, VERY specialized talents. The more talent you have the more you have the ability to dictate. So Apple should tread carefully.

Everyone is replaceable.

If Phil Schiller decided underpants are fascistic one day and Android is master race, well then they too would pull him from keynotes and give him an 'Apple Fellow' job title.

Oh wait
 
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Well it is still valid, what I told my employer some time ago: "You don't need to do this, but I do not need to work here either". So if you want't good and motivated employees you should listen to their wishes, at least to some extend.

And Apple has. In the end, it is Apple executives and managers responsibility and decision how to bring people back to the workplace. And that's based on factors and business dynamics awareness to which only they have insight.
 
I suspect the very talented have different rules to the majority.
I doubt it. Even Ive had to move to Cupertino.

Yup, and those companies which allow the flexibility will pick them up..

Companies just don't get that people (for the most part) would rather be with their families than in a 5 billion dollar building with a long commute perhaps...

They put out some great products while working from home.. Heck, Pixar made the new Luca film entirely from home and the film is very good..
Exactly. People can do great work at Microsoft, Google, other billion-dollar companies too for similar compensation, not have to live somewhere outrageously expensive, and spend more time with their families. That's something that Apple is going to have trouble competing with, especailly after the last year where it became clear a lot of people really don't need to be in the office.

Let them. Then they'll just go hire more talented people. Plenty of them out there who would be so grateful to have a job at Apple. Me included.
Sure, there are other talented people, but Apple's always aimed for "the best". If other companies offer these people equally compelling opportunities with greater flexibility, Apple may be fighting to even get the runners up.

By letting people work at home You will loose a lot of very talented people. Without personal contact to colleagues and superiors people are just doing their job without any emotional bindings to the company they are working for.

A major problem is on-boarding. Working at the office there are colleagues to show You around. This cannot be replace by online-meetings. In Japan people seldon quit a regular job. But now being forced working from home a lot of new hires are quitting within the first months.
That's true in some cases, but it really depends on your role and how you prefer to work. While I like being in an office and interacting with people, I know plenty of people who don't and actually seem to be more productive from home. That's precisely why employees are asking for flexibility.

And go where? What employer conducting cutting edge, top-secret development will be totally cool with someone working from wherever they please? It's one thing to make due during a pandemic because they had to, but this isn't a tenable long term solution for any such company.
Microsoft, Google, Snap, one of the many, many other tech companies. Apple is still just a workplace, it's not like getting a job there ruins the rest of working world for you.

Exactly…I’m betting the very small amount of people complaining are not exactly your prized employees to begin with
I think you misunderstood my post. I'm being 100% serious. Talented people don't always want to commute or work in an office. Sometimes flexibility is more valuable than comp. I fully expect some very good people to seek out more flexible roles.
 
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Both Apple and their employees are being unreasonable
How so? A company pays you to be at the office, diring pandemic they allow you for your own safety to work from home.

The situation seems to be getting under control and, with all safety precautions in place, they want you to be back where you belong (and most likely where your contract says you should be).

Now we either believe that vaccine and safety precautions work and we go back to work or if we do not believe they do we have a set of complete different issue.

Seems pretty reasonable for me from the company side.
 
People are compensated for work by being paid. You don’t get to dictate how your employer runs their business. It’s nice to be happy in your career but it’s not supposed to be utopia. That’s why it’s called work.

I'm not sure what you do for work, but 'work' doesn't have to be tedious and boring. It's more advantageous for the employer and employee if it's actually fulfilling and enjoyable - employees will be more productive and result in less turnover. Less turnover is less cost for the employer. The higher the skill required, the harder it is to replace employees, so turnover due to demoralized employees isn't desirable. Companies have to be competitive in their benefits , work environment and policies.

A good employer, more so if higher skilled, listens to their employees, since the employer should realize that the employees will be more productive.. and costs reduced. Happy employees - better quality products, and satisfied customers.. resulting in more $$$
 
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Eh, if you feel like the work is better done in the office then fine, request the staff come back. But whenever I see that it's important to the "company culture" I smell BS. All throughout the pandemic I've had Teams up on one of my monitors and have felt just as connected with my coworkers as I did when we were working together. My office is going back in October and they sent out a survey to see who all is actually coming back... a great deal of people are going to be switching to telework or a hybrid model. And the executives don't care. You know why? Our productivity is as good as it ever has been. So why screw that up just because you want to see people physically sitting in office chairs?
 
All of our advancements in technology will never negate the fact that we are physical creatures in time and space.

Physical spaces are incredibly important. Can some things be done from home? Yes. I did AppleCare from home; but it was a very strange, disconnected experience. I honestly would have preferred being in a room with my coworkers.
 
Seen lots of people showing no sympathy to those employees asking to work from home. Then, how about eased traffic? How about less crowded transport system? How about cutting down building rents? Apple is always going to be exception but WFH isn’t something that has to be avoided at all costs as soon as pandemic is over. And for apple kicking employees, I’m fairly confident they are capable of kicking anyone in a moments notice that is not the core dude (Tim Cook circle), and wont suffer much backlash from other employee.
How about outsourcing the job. No need to pay 150k to USA employees. Out source for 5k annually.
So in person work 2-3x a week protects jobs. Trust me. If you neglect that part of the job where company culture doesn’t matter and in person doesn’t matter it’s so easy to ship the job else where.
 
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All of our advancements in technology will never negate the fact that we are physical creatures in time and space.

Physical spaces are incredibly important. Can some things be done from home? Yes. I did AppleCare from home; but it was a very strange, disconnected experience. I honestly would have preferred being in a room with my coworkers.
I think the point of this is that not everyone feels this way. I know a lot of people in my industry (one in which one of the most basic assumptions is that people need to work together in person) are now swearing that they'll never work full-time from an office ever again, and still getting their work done on time and to the same level it was before.

Not everyone likes being in person, not everyone needs it. I love working in a physical office space with other people, I think it makes me more productive, but that doens't mean the opposite can't be true for others.
 
“We believe that in-person collaboration is essential to our culture and our future,” said Deirdre O'Brien, senior vice president of retail and people, in a video recording viewed by The Verge. “If we take a moment to reflect on our unbelievable product launches this past year, the products and the launch execution were built upon the base of years of work that we did when we were all together in-person.”
Because everybody who works at Apple is naturally part of the creative team...or the products team...or the launch team... I'm sure all the service writers, copyeditors, researchers, marketing team, distribution team, etc., etc., just loves that optimistic vision that everybody's a creative type. They're not, and they don't all need to be. Let non-creative workers who can work from home work from home. Otherwise, Apple is going to lose a lot of talented support staff. Stop trying to justify your multi-billion dollar Starship Krispy Kreme.
 
But tech companies in particular require this human interaction so that even the most introverted engineer can understand why what they are working on works so well with everyday normals like me.

Funny thing is, that e.g. Microsoft here in Germany has not enough office spacer their employees. A friend of mine works for over 10 years for Microsoft and is only once or twice month in the office. His superior is even several hundred kilometers away.

It’s not even a democracy where everyone can vote on anything. It’s called business.

I guess a lot go German "Betriebsräte" would disagree ;)

What a lot of people obviously do not understand is that working from home, properly done, can be a win win situation for booth, the company and the employee.

An other example: A good friend of mine is working for a textile company with lots of worldwide experience in the job. She changed job, her new company is 5h drive away from her home and she does not wan't to move because of her husband and her private life. No problem, as she is only one or two days a week in the company and the company got an experienced and motivated employee.

There are a lot of companies in rural areas here, that offer such benefits and other to get talented people. On the long run most companies that do not follow will suffer.
 
For all of you people sating, "it's not 1960 anymore" also have to realize that it isn't 2040 yet either.

We've gone from 5 days in the office as being the norm to people complaining they have to be there 3 days in just over a year.

Those who feel they DON'T have to be in the office at all because it worked for them over the last year may not be the best judge of what's good for the organization as a whole. Not exactly an objective judgment.

While it certainly happens (way too much), not every company wants people in the office simply so they can "see that they're working."
 
Lol what? You contradict yourself. In the first paragraph you said WFH is the cause of underwhelming WWDC, which you have no proof of.

Then say the majority of planning for it was done years earlier, and developer tools were great. Which is it?
Both. WWDC was underwhelming in terms of where they took the 5 operating systems forward. This forum and YouTube is proof of how annoyed iPad users are and how almost nothing good to speak of in terms of new features for any of thew platforms came from this WWDC.

Developers tools are not something that regular users watch out for. They have done a lot of polishing and for developers it is easier to develop.

Is it really so difficult to understand that nothing great came for the platform, but some polishing of developer tools were good?
 
Apple has always had a culture of secrecy. That's a lot more difficult to do when you have employees accessing sensitive data remotely. Not saying that there aren't some jobs that can be done remotely, but I think Apple has the right idea about doing this on a "case by case" basis rather than have a blanket policy on working remotely without regard to the job you're doing.

I mean really, do you want some employee leaking how bad the QC is for the latest OS?
 
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Apple has always had a culture of secrecy. That's a lot more difficult to do when you have employees accessing sensitive data remotely. Not saying that there aren't some jobs that can be done remotely, but I think Apple has the right idea about doing this on a "case by case" basis rather than have a blanket policy on working remotely without regard to the job you're doing.

I mean really, do you want some employee leaking how bad the QC is for the latest OS?
And you think employees couldn't leak that because they're in a different physical location for 8-10 hours?
 
Both. WWDC was underwhelming in terms of where they took the 5 operating systems forward. This forum and YouTube is proof of how annoyed iPad users are and how almost nothing good to speak of in terms of new features for any of thew platforms came from this WWDC.

Developers tools are not something that regular users watch out for. They have done a lot of polishing and for developers it is easier to develop.

Is it really so difficult to understand that nothing great came for the platform, but some polishing of developer tools were good?
iPad users will never be happy...at least until the iPad is a clone of a MacBook.

iPad added a lot of great function with iOS15, even if most of that was part of iOS14 for the iPhone. I waited to install beta 2 and the addition of widgets and AppLibrary make WAY more sense to me on iPad than they ever did on iPhone. It's made my experience with iPad much better.

I love the balance between touch screen media device and just enough capability for me to actually do my work on it if needed. But that's me...
 
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Morgan Stanley CEO put it very simply, “If you can go to a restaurant in New York City, you can come into the office. And we want you in the office.” Same should go for every other city and every other company.
Imagine comparing banking, the stodgiest, old school, conservative, "Yes executives walk through a separate door", "we'll be the last ones in the pool" industry to the technology field. I'm flabbergasted as many support ApplePay as they do.
 
Seen lots of people showing no sympathy to those employees asking to work from home. Then, how about eased traffic? How about less crowded transport system? How about cutting down building rents? Apple is always going to be exception but WFH isn’t something that has to be avoided at all costs as soon as pandemic is over. And for apple kicking employees, I’m fairly confident they are capable of kicking anyone in a moments notice that is not the core dude (Tim Cook circle), and wont suffer much backlash from other employee.
It might not be the same in US, but here, there are plenty of restaurant, bars and other business relying on those people to move, you make people stay home you are also killing lots of collateral business.

If you have a knowledge set that realistically less than a few dozen engineers on the planet have, there’s any number of tech companies that’ll match your salary and benefits and couldn’t care less where you work from. They’ll fly you in on biz class for any critical in person meeting.

Chances are, if you are that important to a company, you already have a different contract from the "regular guy" and already have different benefit anyway.
 
It might not be the same in US, but here, there are plenty of restaurant, bars and other business relying on those people to move, you make people stay home you are also killing lots of collateral business.
Funny, my wallet really enjoyed eating lunch at my kitchen table from mostly sensibly priced Aldi groceries and not spending $10-20/day when I didn't bring my own along...
 
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