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Apple Still Planning Return to In-Person Work in September, Despite Employee Complaints

it is about time someone told these spoiled brats to step up to the plate and become workers again.

Not that I am saying all remote employees are spoiled brats, but it sure seems like there are a lot in silicon valley.

We all know who they are too. The ones that slack in the office are probably the most vocal here because their free ride is about over.
 
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boss.king said:
I expect Apple will lose some very talented people over this.
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Our company is bleeding talent, usually the top ones or ones that would do even better as freelancers instead of employed. This was just the catalyst.
What’s worse is, they will be hired back again but as a contracted outsource talent with a very VERY hefty prime on top.
 
Blackstick said:
Funny, my wallet really enjoyed eating lunch at my kitchen table from mostly sensibly priced Aldi groceries and not spending $10-20/day when I didn't bring my own along...
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The thing is, it's not all about ME ME ME, again there are lots of business that relies on people moving out of their houses.

Chances are, they are very same people who are also buying or making transaction with your business, if they lose their job, you will end up losing customers...

Multiply those 10-20$ for all the people working from home, and see how much restaurant are losing, how many waiters will be cut off as a result and you soon see the disaster home working is going to create.

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Apple Inc. in Cupertino 25,000 local employees as of Jul 10, 2020 let's just say 1/10th buys lungh on a daily basis, that's 2500 poeple, times 10$ (your lowest estimate) = 25000 a day, multiply by 355 you are taling about 8.875.000 money lost from restaurants every year (and we are talking just 1 company).

Do you really think all restaurant will stay in business? Will the people who loses their job be your customers? It's a vicious cycle, you "small" 10$ makes a huge difference when you see the whole picture.
 
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amartinez1660 said:
Our company is bleeding talent, usually the top ones or ones that would do even better as freelancers instead of employed. This was just the catalyst.
What’s worse is, they will be hired back again but as a contracted outsource talent with a very VERY hefty prime on top.
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Yup. I've noticed the same thing. I now get paid twice what I used to be billed out at per day by freelancing. People underestimate the pull of flexibility.

rpmurray said:
I expect Apple will lose a lot of entitled people over this.
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Wanting to work in a way that makes you more productive and comfortable is entitlement now? Talk about Stockholm syndrome.
 
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Blackstick said:
That was my dad’s generation. Times have changed. Employees have leverage in many tech companies.

Our people requested less restrictive vacation time, we got unlimited PTO.

We requested a better 401k, now the company matches 45% up from 15%.

New moms wanted more time with the baby, they went from 6 weeks to 20 weeks and new dads went from 1 week to 4 weeks.

The company now picks up the healthcare premiums for the entire immediate family, not just the one employee.

The old days of “you’re the employee, you’re not supposed to get anything more than a paycheck!” have ended.

Prior to the pandemic, we were 40% working from home, it’ll be about 65% permanently at home at the end of this.

If you take care of your employees, they’ll take care of your customers, who will take care of your shareholders. That’s our founder’s quote. He started the place with 4 people and sold it with 6,000. Now we’re merged to 15,000.
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Is your company in Austin and are they hiring? 😁
 
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I think Apple has their vision for the culture and is approaching the situation as best as they can. I personally believe that a combination of in-person and at-home work is best, so this seems like a no-brainer. Viewing this as some malicious move on Apple’s part seems… immature. COVID lifestyle was never meant to be a permanent thing. We are social creatures - whether we believe it or not, we thrive on relationships and need them for our well being.

Also - there is something markedly different between exclusively-electronic relationships and being forced to have actual face-time, eye-contact, body language, unpixelated facial expressions, body gestures, and not being able to disable the camera or mic. Apple is looking to develop a culture, not just collect a bunch of valuable trading cards (employees) that can easily be poached. They want employees together, in-person, bumping shoulders, being forced to absorb ideas, attitudes, beliefs, and norms. Culture. Great companies constantly lose a lot of great talent because personalities do not mesh with the culture.

What IS important is that the company knows the culture it wants to foster and seeks to plug in personalities that have a lot of potential. If all this “top talent” is jumping spaceship to go to another company, they were probably looking for a reason to leave anyway. Why stay if you’re not happy? Why keep someone on your payroll if they don’t want to be there? Dissatisfaction is contagious and destruction of employee morale is far more costly than a top engineer going to a competitor. And… sometimes people come back. The grass isn’t always greener.
 
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yabeweb said:
The thing is, it's not all about ME ME ME, again there are lots of business that relies on people moving out of their houses.

Chances are, they are very same people who are also buying or making transaction with your business, if they lose their job, you will end up losing customers...

Multiply those 10-20$ for all the people working from home, and see how much restaurant are losing, how many waiters will be cut off as a result and you soon see the disaster home working is going to create.
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Oh I get it. Still, they're not our customers - unless they're an HR professional selecting their next SAAS HRIS and have 200+ employees.

Restaurants have closed en masse due to Covid, the changing corporate landscape won't help the weekday lunch crowds.
 
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Blackstick said:
Oh I get it. Still, they're not our customers - unless they're an HR professional selecting their next SAAS HRIS and have 200+ employees.

Restaurants have closed en masse due to Covid, the changing corporate landscape won't help the weekday lunch crowds.
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I think you are just being short-sighted, and willingly so, I prefere living in a world that does not revolve around me.
 
My work changed to permanently remote and now they’re saving a ton of money.

There are a lot of jobs out there right now that these Apple employees could go get. I encourage them to do so. Being forced to live and work in California where the cost of living is ridiculous and it’s constantly on fire seems kinda ridiculous now that you can live and work just about anywhere independent of one another.

Apple should tread lightly here. The entire world has changed, and beyond that, I unfortunately don’t think we’re out of the woods yet on this pandemic. You either adapt or fall behind.
 
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DavidLeblond said:
Eh, if you feel like the work is better done in the office then fine, request the staff come back. But whenever I see that it's important to the "company culture" I smell BS. All throughout the pandemic I've had Teams up on one of my monitors and have felt just as connected with my coworkers as I did when we were working together. My office is going back in October and they sent out a survey to see who all is actually coming back... a great deal of people are going to be switching to telework or a hybrid model. And the executives don't care. You know why? Our productivity is as good as it ever has been. So why screw that up just because you want to see people physically sitting in office chairs?
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Because they're still living in the 1950s/60s "management" model.
 
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yabeweb said:
I think you are just being short-sighted, and willingly so, I prefere living in a world that does not revolve around me.
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It's not just us, it's the thousands of companies not renewing corporate leases, embracing hybrid workflows... the world changes.

The other thing is, there will be more pandemics in the future. We can and should expect a Covid-28 or a SARS-31 or a MERS-27... the only question is when?
 
Oh boo hoo we have to actually show up in the world's most advanced office three times a week!
Meanwhile, most people have to show up 5 times a week in their windowless office that lacks air conditioning.

Just kidding I can't judge them but it just sounds a bit silly. Did anyone think home office will last forever?
 
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Apple employees sound like rich whiners. People in construction, retail, manufacturing, service, medical, etc have to always show up for work and make these trade offs. Bunch of rich self entitled tech workers.
 
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boss.king said:
I expect Apple will lose some very talented people over this.
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Well if they do, that’s kind of they’re fault. Anti-Vaccinators are the people who were really worried about. We all know what’s going to happen. A bad surge of COVID-19 will come around like Delta, it will get the Anti-Vaccinators, and it’s so strong that it will get the people who are vaccinated. And some Apple Employees are just a little afraid of that. But yes, I do agree that “they will lose employee's.” But it’s not just COVID-19 that is causing complaints. So I’m kind of with the employee’s on this one.
 
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amartinez1660 said:
Our company is bleeding talent, usually the top ones or ones that would do even better as freelancers instead of employed. This was just the catalyst.
What’s worse is, they will be hired back again but as a contracted outsource talent with a very VERY hefty prime on top.
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Back in 2008-11 there was "the Great Recession"; now what I'm seeing in the various business media is what they're calling "the Great Resignation". Employees are fed up with being treated as expenses like copy paper—to be used then discarded; what the past year to year and a half has shown is that WFH works and employees would rather quit than be herded back into offices like cattle (with all the attendant costs: commuting (along with the wasted time to do so), eating out (lunch, etc.), etc.).
 
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