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The US runs a trade deficit with all of these countries. These tariffs are part of the process of de-globalization, and perhaps that is better for the US and the world. I think all of the countries here will negotiate with the US to significantly reduce these tariffs to less than 10% in the next few months.
CEO's of American companies moved all their manufacturing plants to other countries. That's not the fault of American citizens. Koreans can buy a Samsung smartphone made in Korea. Seems like trump should be taxing these American companies that move their factories outside of USA. Tariffs aren't paid for by foreign countries. They are paid for by the consumer.
 
I'm skeptical of how serious Apple's efforts have been at setting up factories/supply chains in the US.

Musk is running several factories in the US between Starlink in Washington, Falcon in Hawthorne, Starship production in Texas, vehicle production in Fremont and Austin, battery packs in Nevada...

These span numerous industries where competitors insist that skilled laborers and tooling isn't available. I know lots of people who used to work at HP factories in the US and are now working at customer service desks because manufacturing jobs have largely disappeared from the US. What is Musk doing several times over that Apple can't do?

(I suspect the answer is compensate employees.)
…..and bringing in foreign workers on temporary visas of course!
 
Well Apple could always just make the iPhone in the US for the US market. It’s not an insurmountable task.
They would have to do that for all their products because these tariffs are levied on all imports. That would mean settling up a parallel manufacturing system for US only products and other manufacturing facilities elsewhere for non-US sales. I can’t see them doing that in the short term.
 
I thought you said you hadn’t heard about consumer backlash around the world… Guess I am supposed to guess exactly which backlash you hadn’t heard about… oh well.
Sorry I forgot about Canada. I thought that had more to do with the whole 51st state thing. I was thinking more about any possible backlash from the tariffs announced today.

I can’t read the NY Times article you quoted because it’s paywalled but to be fair boycotts in Canada and Denmark is not what I would call widespread boycotts around the world.
 
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No, this isn't part of a normal cycle. It's an imposition on the market by Trump's unique "thinking", and those of his enablers.
Well that’s an opinion and you’re entitled to that. But unfortunately there are other world i issues are also affecting it. So it’s a occurrence. So yes it is
 
I've been losing a lot in my retirement 401K but I'm counting on one key thing to help turn it around in a short while. For once I'm actually counting on the saying that rich people control this country to be very true. Those people will be hurt bad by this and maybe, somehow they will influence the right people to turn this around. Fingers crossed.
For many of the rich people who largely control the US, one of their motivations for being rich is to allow them to put enough money aside for a rainy day like Trump has caused, so that they can ride out those rainy days without a lot of complaining, and many have actually arranged their investments so they can profit from them. So while some of those rich people don't like what Trump has done and will say so and do what they can to try to get him to reverse this decision, a lot (maybe more?) of them will remain silent, or even egg him on, since they have ways of profiting from Trump's tariffs. Of those rich folk who might not make money from this, and may lose some of what they have, many just want to see the US put into a weaker position for their own interests.
 
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This is a normal cycle. Then it goes up. Nothing different here. (THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING.......NO ITS NOT) Unfortunately this negative cycle has hit during this issue.. My holdings have not suffered. And those who owns stock I have not Suffered neither. So there you have it.
Stocks routinely go up and down but I don’t think you can call this a “normal cycle”. We need to know how these tariffs will affect Apple’s sales and revenue which we won’t know for quite some time.
 
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Stocks routinely go up and down but I don’t think you can call this a “normal cycle”. We need to know how these tariffs will affect Apple’s sales and revenue which we won’t know for quite some time.

You call the cycle that has been happening a normal cycle, with almost 20 years artificially pumping of the stock market with artificially low interest rates by the government?

The fact, the US government has a huge deficit that needs to be fixed.

What the stock market does, is for people like Tim Cook and Bezos to worry about as their compensation is linked to the stock market, and some tech employees who make $800k/year at places such as Meta.
 
Well that’s an opinion and you’re entitled to that. But unfortunately there are other world i issues are also affecting it. So it’s a occurrence. So yes it is
No, it's not just an opinion. We're seeing a specific action taken by the US president to impose very large, sweeping, simultaneous tariffs on all goods from multiple countries in a manner that no other president has imposed before. The only comparable prior example is the Smoot-Hawley Act in 1930, but that was mainly a creation by Congress, with Herbert Hoover reluctantly signing the bill since he knew it overreached. It then deepened the Great Depression. If US presidents imposing sweeping, multi-country tariffs on all goods were part of a natural cycle, we'd be seeing Trump-level tariffs being imposed by just about every US president in the past. That hasn't happened before--at most, previous presidents have imposed targeted, singular tariffs on specific countries, and on specific products like steel, to achieve specific strategic goals. So by definition, what Trump has just done is not part of any previous natural cycle.

The other world issues you mention aren't at issue when discussing specifically whether tariffs imposed by a US president are part of a normal cycle. The fact that Trump's tariffs can be characterized as "an occurrence" doesn't make it a normal occurrence, since not everything that occurs is normal.
 
No, it's not just an opinion. We're seeing a specific action taken by the US president to impose very large, sweeping, simultaneous tariffs on all goods from multiple countries in a manner that no other president has imposed before. The only comparable prior example is the Smoot-Hawley Act in 1930, but that was mainly a creation by Congress, with Herbert Hoover reluctantly signing the bill since he knew it overreached. It then deepened the Great Depression. If US presidents imposing sweeping, multi-country tariffs on all goods were part of a natural cycle, we'd be seeing Trump-level tariffs being imposed by just about every US president in the past. That hasn't happened before--at most, previous presidents have imposed targeted, singular tariffs on specific countries, and on specific products like steel, to achieve specific strategic goals. So by definition, what Trump has just done is not part of any previous natural cycle.

The other world issues you mention aren't at issue when discussing specifically whether tariffs imposed by a US president are part of a normal cycle. The fact that Trump's tariffs can be characterized as "an occurrence" doesn't make it a normal occurrence, since not everything that occurs is normal.

No other president has ever faced a debt so high either. The government spending and the deficit is out of control and this is not sustainable.

If the US government was a person, this person would have been declared bankrupt ages ago.

The fact that former presidents have ignored the huge government deficit is really bad and this should have been addressed a long time ago.
 
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I just can’t figure out, in the most simple of terms if we’re actually trying to make trade more fair (assuming it’s not) or we’re picking fights with our allies.
Yes, that's a major part of the plan by Trump and his enablers--to pick fights with our allies, in order to alienate them from us. It's "America First", you know.
 
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It’s fine. People buying Apple products are already paying sales tax in the US. And Apple’s supply chain is diversified enough to absorb some of this. I think it won’t affect sales overall
You can’t be kidding! Sales taxes are going no where anytime soon!

Secondly diversities enough? Where in every other country that dump has added tariffs too today! 😂 please…
 
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No other president has ever faced a debt so high either. The government spending and the deficit is out of control and this is not sustainable.

If the US government was a person, this person would have been declared bankrupt ages ago.

The fact that former presidents have ignored the huge government deficit is really bad and this should have been addressed a long time ago.
So you are going to tax and depress your American citizens to pay down the debt! What a great idea! Make American depressed again. Feels like 1930s all over…
 
No, it's not just an opinion. We're seeing a specific action taken by the US president to impose very large, sweeping, simultaneous tariffs on all goods from multiple countries in a manner that no other president has imposed before. The only comparable prior example is the Smoot-Hawley Act in 1930, but that was mainly a creation by Congress, with Herbert Hoover reluctantly signing the bill since he knew it overreached. It then deepened the Great Depression. If US presidents imposing sweeping, multi-country tariffs on all goods were part of a natural cycle, we'd be seeing Trump-level tariffs being imposed by just about every US president in the past. That hasn't happened before--at most, previous presidents have imposed targeted, singular tariffs on specific countries, and on specific products like steel, to achieve specific strategic goals. So by definition, what Trump has just done is not part of any previous natural cycle.

The other world issues you mention aren't at issue when discussing specifically whether tariffs imposed by a US president are part of a normal cycle. The fact that Trump's tariffs can be characterized as "an occurrence" doesn't make it a normal occurrence, since not everything that occurs is normal.
Um ok….. Sorry I don’t have time to read that much garbage
 
So you are going to tax and depress your American citizens to pay down the debt! What a great idea! Make American depressed again. Feels like 1930s all over…

You people only care about the short term. If this keeps up, nobody will have a job in the USA. Even high paying $800k/year tech jobs are being outsourced to places like South America, Portugal, Spain, Poland, India. And then the government will have to introduce a "universal income" because all the good jobs are no longer in the USA if this is not changed.

So this is worth the short term sacrifice to fix the economy and the government deficit.

And the outsourcing doesn't happen because "people in Portugal are more qualified than USA workers", it's because the CEO's want to see higher bonuses, that's all.

Honestly, if you graduate in 2025 with a $100.000+ STEM degree, you can probably find much better opportunities in Poland, as that's where most of the tech jobs are being outsourced to now.
 
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I've been losing a lot in my retirement 401K but I'm counting on one key thing to help turn it around in a short while. For once I'm actually counting on the saying that rich people control this country to be very true. Those people will be hurt bad by this and maybe, somehow they will influence the right people to turn this around. Fingers crossed.
They won't. All the money the government will collect on tariffs will go directly to tax cuts for the megarich.
 
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