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Apple Stock Price Hits Lowest Levels Since 2011, Falls Below $400

iOS 7 revamp, iWatch, lower cost iPhone an updated macbook lineup and new iPads including a retina mini on the way. I say buy now, the shares will start climbing back once these all launch.
 
Now 50% thinner...

smaller is not always better...

How about some innovation Apple, not just making the same stuff thinner and shinier and more disposable?
 
Tinmania said:
If you really need that explained I doubt you would understand. You think Apple is best. I get that. I used to think that too. Now I don't.

When I look at those pics I see other companies pushing the envelope--like Apple did with the iPhone 4 and original iPad back in 2010. When I see the iPhone 5 I see a slightly stretched iPhone 4.




Michael
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I'm talking specifically about the asesthetic design. That is the comment I was responding to.

What difference do you see between the S3 and S4, other than the S4 is slightly larger? How is that different than the iPhone 5 being a stretched iPhone 4? S3 and S4 are probably more similar in terms of case design and materials used than iPhone 4/5.
 
ericthered said:
smaller is not always better...

How about some innovation Apple, not just making the same stuff thinner and shinier and more disposable?
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The innovation will come, as iOS 7. There's not much innovation left to do in a phone. What else can you do other than tweak the size and change materials? If there is any "innovative" level change to the hardware, it'd have to come as a complete form factor change. eg a watch.
 
flux73 said:
The innovation will come, as iOS 7. There's not much innovation left to do in a phone. What else can you do other than tweak the size and change materials? If there is any "innovative" level change to the hardware, it'd have to come as a complete form factor change. eg a watch.
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There is some real merit to your comment - I am thinking the same thing.

Better camera, better battery life, more durable design would be nice but the real question is if iOS 7 will do the job.
 
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Apple Corps said:
There is some real merit to your comment - I am thinking the same thing.

The real question is if iOS 7 will do the job.
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We'll find out soon enough. But if you're going to bet on someone's design aesthetics, is there really anyone else other than Jony Ive and his team that you would bet on?
 
Rogifan said:
I'm talking specifically about the asesthetic design. That is the comment I was responding to.
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It doesn't matter what you were responding to. I responded to the pics you posted.

If you had posted all those pics and thrown the iPhone 5 in there too, to me the iPhone would have appeared as the most boring. As for changes, the iPhone hasn't really changed all that much since 2007. The phones in the pic didn't even exist then. The fact that they are as advanced as they are is impressive to me.

Meanwhile, when I got the very first iPhone when it was released in 2007 I never would have imagined it would still look very similar 6 years down the road.



Michael
 
flux73 said:
We'll find out soon enough. But if you're going to bet on someone's design aesthetics, is there really anyone else other than Jony Ive and his team that you would bet on?
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Not at all - my big rant about Cook & team is their ability to translate that design ethic into software (the human interface role for Ive) and the ability to get products built and out the door.

Cook has run his "great pipeline" blathering way too far - investors want to SEE real introductions.
 
Rogifan said:
Wow if only Cook and Ive were smart enough to change the aesthetic of the iPhone we'd have $270B back market value.

Lets see...the Galaxy S4 looks just like the S3 which looks just like the Note 2.

And then of course we have the Nokia N9, Lumia 800 and 920....all so radically different, aren't they?

The way I look at it is when a company thinks they have a good design they don't go changing it just for the sake of changing it. One of Dieter Rams principles of good design is that its long lasting:

Good Design Is Long-lasting : It avoids being fashionable and therefore never appears antiquated. Unlike fashionable design, it lasts many years – even in today’s throwaway society.
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I agree with Deiter Rams' quote, however, I don't think it applies well to the fast-changing world of mobile technology (just ask Gordon Gecko and his brick that doubled as a cellphone).
 
Dmunjal said:
Yeah, the P/E ratios are out of whack between those two companies. But here's the difference. Apple's profits are flat YoY and could go down going forward in a possibly saturated markets. Amazon's profits (before EBITDA) are still actually growing and they only have a small percentage of a larger market that is still growing.
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I think you got that backward. Apple's markets are smartphones and tablets. Apple has always had a relatively small percentage of smartphones that is growing. And tablets are consuming the PC market and Apple is making up the majority of that.

Amazon's market is retail and they currently have a HUGE percentage of online retail. Amazon would have to garner 80% of ALL retail at their current razor-thin margins to justify their current stock price.

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Apple Corps said:
Ummm - if they buy back all the stock and go private what stock will be left to go up?
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When you do a buy-back of that magnitude the stock price goes up as you accumulate the shares until none are left. If Apple took $100M of their cash and bought back shares, the stock would shoot way up just by them doing that.
 
For all of you out there who are nervous about the stock price just be a little bit patient and give it another 10 days to 2 weeks ..... which generally is how long it takes for a stock to level out from: a nose dive...at that point buy some more and with the magic of dollar cost averaging you should be just fine on what you paid for the stock originally. So for example if you bought at 600 and then by the same quantity at $300.... Your new cost basis is at 450 which I'm sure will be an easy goal or target for Apple to meet..... so calm down the price going down will actually help those who bought too high ! :)
 
TheAppleFairy said:
Yeah that sucks, but there were "analyst" that projected it would go over $1,000.

If I was in your shoes, I would hold it but then again I was the one who lost almost $7,000 in the year or so I played in the market.
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I'm already down $6k, seriously considering to exit now and take the loss instead of bleeding further.

I honestly don't want to play this stock anymore as it's obviously heavily manipulated, and there's just no telling how it will react.
 
Limboistik said:
I'm already down $6k, seriously considering to exit now and take the loss instead of bleeding further.

I honestly don't want to play this stock anymore as it's obviously heavily manipulated, and there's just no telling how it will react.
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It looks like new Mac Pro's, MacBooks, iPhones, Ipad 5, a watch, and maybe more is just around this corner. I think you might kick yourself if you sell now. I'd wait for at least the next iPhone launch, but that's just me.
 
TheAppleFairy said:
It looks like new Mac Pro's, MacBooks, iPhones, Ipad 5, a watch, and maybe more is just around this corner. I think you might kick yourself if you sell now. I'd wait for at least the next iPhone launch, but that's just me.
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Well, I have been using that same "logic" for quite some time. It has resulted in my losing a small fortune (on paper).

With Cook, the bad news arrives too frequently but the great news introductions appear stuck in that pipeline he keeps blathering about.
 
Liquorpuki said:
Jony Ive is a genius at industrial design.

UI Design though, that's something new for him
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Well, it's new for the public. Are we supposed to believe that he's been with Apple for 20+ years and he has never had any involvement with the OS team?

It's not like he's going to program it. If he were, then I'd be concerned. He's just in charge of how it's going to look and how it will operate. While this may be different to how a piece of hardware looks and operates, he is a master at general principles of design simplicity and elegance.

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Apple Corps said:
Well, I have been using that same "logic" for quite some time. It has resulted in my losing a small fortune (on paper).

With Cook, the bad news arrives too frequently but the great news introductions appear stuck in that pipeline he keeps blathering about.
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By "quite some time", do you mean 6 months? That might be a lot if you're a daytrader, but that's nothing at all if you're an investor.

Look at it this way - the doubts are priced in. Sure, it COULD go lower, but how much lower? $350? And then what, it just stagnates there? As an AAPL investor and a follower of all things Apple, do you really believe they have NOTHING coming in the next year that will pique investor interest again? Because that's how it's priced.

Digital wallets and iOS7 are where I'm betting the next bit of excitement comes from Apple. I think the plastic iPhone 5S will be more interesting outside the US, but will definitely stir some interest in AAPL investments again. People keep saying Samsung is killing Apple, but I haven't seen evidence of that yet. The iOS market isn't shrinking. In fact, it gained 3% marketshare in the last quarter.

And for those who disagree, tell me how Samsung is going to lock their users into their ecosystem when they don't even have any say in the OS? And how good are their earnings reports going to look when Apple successfully shifts chip manufacturing to TSMC?

And how is Google supposed to make money? They break even on Nexus devices. Ads? They themselves admit they only make $2 per year per Android device. At BEST that's $1 billion per year in mobile revenue. Apple makes that in one week. I still don't see any successful mobile ad model. In fact, Google makes much more money per iOS device, which is why they continue to pay Apple $1 billion dollars a year to remain their default search engine.

As for Nokia and Blackberry making a comeback the way Apple did in 2007? What??? Apple came out with a phone that was distinctly different and more importantly, superior, to every other phone out there. Nokia and Blackberry have come out with phones are just somewhat different. They may get a few buyers who will buy anything that ISN'T Apple, but to claim that they can get to 400 million users the way Apple has, requires some serious wishful thinking.

All that said, some analysts and many random anonymous commentators on the internet insist that Apple is now a doomed company. Simply because the stock price has fallen 40%. What a joke.
 
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Me as well :eek:

April 23 will be here shortly - yet another report on how effective Tim Cook's leadership is or is not.

After that, WWDC will be the next milestone and an absolutely critically strategic one at that. Tim Cook & team must knock the ball out of the park or Apple and the shareholders will be in for some very disappointing times.

If WWDC is underwhelming, I believe Levinson & the Board will move on replacing Cook.

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flux73 - I am an investor - many shares held for almost a decade.
 
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