He sides with Russia over Ukraine, and Russia is absent from the tariffs (I doubt trade is zero).
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The promised gasoline savings? Prices up 40 cents per gallon since Tariff announcement here in Phoenix
18 Dimensionational Chess vs Connect 4.
See, all of the money that disappeared in the S&P is really a good thing. Trump turned losing into winning again! Let's lose even more so that we can keep winning. Opposite Day!
smdh 🤦♂️
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Joshua Bolten, the CEO of Business Roundtable, an association that represents more than 200 CEOs, said in a statement the tariffs "run the risk of causing major harm to American manufacturers, workers, families and exporters." He added: "Damage to the US economy will increase the longer the tariffs are in place and may be exacerbated by retaliatory measures."
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See, all of the money that disappeared in the S&P is really a good thing. Trump turned losing into winning again! Let's lose even more so that we can keep winning. Opposite Day!
smdh 🤦♂️
S&P 500 loses $5 trillion in two days in Trump tariff selloff
S&P 500 loses $5 trillion in two days in Trump tariff selloff
Global stock markets extended their recent rout on Friday, with S&P 500 companies wiping out $5 trillion in stock market value since U.S. President Donald Trump unveiled sweeping tariffs on Wednesday, while investors fled to the safety of government bonds.
Joshua Bolten, the CEO of Business Roundtable, an association that represents more than 200 CEOs, said in a statement the tariffs "run the risk of causing major harm to American manufacturers, workers, families and exporters." He added: "Damage to the US economy will increase the longer the tariffs are in place and may be exacerbated by retaliatory measures."
Here's what the smartest people in markets and economics are saying about Trump's tariffs
Goldman Sachs and other firms are warning of a recession. Bill Ackman floated a 90-day tariff timeout. Even the Federal Reserve chair weighed in.
www.businessinsider.com
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It would be better for Trump to tariff certain businesses…instead of whole countries. Reactions from all over the world are to be expected, unfair or not.
Yes. And when the orange idiot threatens to take over your country, the reactions are more than fair. He is responsible for the innocent workers at US companies who will lose their jobs due to international boycotts.
If the people of Taiwan want to be THAT close to China, to be honest that's just fine with me. China firmly believes that Taiwan is part of the PRC. If you believe Taiwan is better off as part of the PRC then I believe that Taiwan should pursue that relationship. If the people of Taiwan want or expect to fend off the eventual (and it's clear China WANTS Taiwan, so it's not a matter of if, but when) invasion from China on their own, I wish them the best of luck in that endeavor.
But I don't think being part of China is exactly a picnic, and I don't think having views that are contrary to what the government says you should have an posting them on an internet message board is going to earn you any social credit score points in the long run when Taiwan is part of China proper.
I'm not saying that the US is oh so awesome when it comes to WestPac relationships. But if you think that a closer relationship with China is going to result in some sort of fairness in regards to Taiwan, I believe you are sadly mistaken.
Sorry if the US isn't going to provide a certain measure of safety to half the world without expecting SOMETHING in return. China is a nuclear global superpower. Taiwan, China, South Korea, and Japan are not. Most, if not all of those countries would be Chinese provinces by now if not for their relationship with the US.
As far as US weapons. Feel free to buy those weapons elsewhere. The Chinese aren't going to sell the above mentioned countries weapons as they are viewed as enemies and potential conquests. The weapons other countries are offering aren't as good. That's just a fact.
I would be totally fine with Taiwan becoming part of the PRC, especially if it came to fruition with zero bloodshed or conflict. The Chinese clearly want it, and if/when a conflict erupts in the region, the US will be drawn into it. This will lead to US service members being in harms way and probably being killed, particularly in the Navy. There will be considerable loss of life and materiel.
I for one don't see where the US should be the world's policeman. Let the first line actors of international disputes settle their differences in the UN or via conflict. The US should stay out of it.
Agent Orange will never accept any responsibility for any of his actions, and I mean ANY. Everyone else is to blame and get his wrath like a spoiled rich kid bully in grade school.
Oh , wait. That is what he was........ and still is.
Oh , wait. That is what he was........ and still is.
For Trump is not wether the US wins or loses, is wether the rest of the world loses. Of course, the rest of the world will eventually move on and commerce with each other.18 Dimensionational Chess vs Connect 4.
See, all of the money that disappeared in the S&P is really a good thing. Trump turned losing into winning again! Let's lose even more so that we can keep winning. Opposite Day!
smdh 🤦♂️
S&P 500 loses $5 trillion in two days in Trump tariff selloff
S&P 500 loses $5 trillion in two days in Trump tariff selloff
Global stock markets extended their recent rout on Friday, with S&P 500 companies wiping out $5 trillion in stock market value since U.S. President Donald Trump unveiled sweeping tariffs on Wednesday, while investors fled to the safety of government bonds.
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Joshua Bolten, the CEO of Business Roundtable, an association that represents more than 200 CEOs, said in a statement the tariffs "run the risk of causing major harm to American manufacturers, workers, families and exporters." He added: "Damage to the US economy will increase the longer the tariffs are in place and may be exacerbated by retaliatory measures."
Here's what the smartest people in markets and economics are saying about Trump's tariffs
Goldman Sachs and other firms are warning of a recession. Bill Ackman floated a 90-day tariff timeout. Even the Federal Reserve chair weighed in.
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Is there no one with half a brain who could talk some sense into this clown?
This perspective, which is now broadly held in the USA apparently, is antithetical to leadership. The administration’s actions and attitudes on the global stage, by which it has directly undermined any basis for trust in the USA, are similarly at odds with global leadership. We should not be surprised when the rest of the world looks elsewhere for it, because that’s what they are going to do. Americans may snicker at the idea of Canada taking their place as leaders, but someone is going to be doing it. Leadership is about moral authority more than military might, and Trump has squandered ours.
Vietnam....Korea.... etc. ...... Unfortunately the US has a poor record of doing so.
Agree and in that case I would like to see those retirement nest eggs dropping rapidly as fast as possible.
At the same time those MAGA people seem to believe in an Orange God, no matter what. So, who knows.
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I believe I need to respond to your perspective with care and caution, for three reasons:
- Friendly discussions like this can easily veer into sensitive political territory, even when we're careful with tone and wording.
- I cannot speak for Taiwan or the Republic of China. (Anyone familiar with cross-strait politics knows how even these terms carry the weight of historical conflict.)
- While I understand why you say what you say, I have to respectfully point out that your view of the Taiwan-China situation lacks depth and context.
Still, I appreciate the thoughtful effort you put into your post, so I want to offer a personal reply—purely from my own perspective, not as a representative of any party, government, or nationality.
Let me start with a quick clarification. Just in case some readers are unfamiliar with the distinction between China and Taiwan (ROC): After WWII, Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalist government was defeated by the Chinese Communists and retreated to Taiwan. The ROC (Republic of China) remained a legal government with full international recognition for decades, even holding a permanent seat at the UN Security Council. Over time, global dynamics shifted, and eventually the ROC lost its UN seat after the U.S. severed formal diplomatic ties—a move some call Chiang’s greatest mistake, though even without that decision, Taiwan would’ve faced growing international pressure.
That said, the U.S. did provide significant help to the ROC in various ways, particularly in maneuvering through the complexities of the UN system to buy time. But here's the missing half of the story: the U.S. offered that help because it needed to. That's the nature of international politics—there are no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.
We often hear phrases like “this aligns with U.S. interests.” Yes—if you can't serve U.S. interests, you're unlikely to receive U.S. support, let alone protection. This also refutes the notion that NATO has been “taking advantage” of the U.S. for decades. The truth is: the U.S. voluntarily invested in NATO for influence, deterrence, and leadership in the post-WWII world. No one forced them.
So when someone says, “The U.S. shouldn’t protect others without getting something in return,” it sounds more like a politician’s talking point than a full picture. What they’re not saying is: “If there’s nothing to gain, the U.S. won’t get involved.” I already used NATO as an example, so let’s apply this to Taiwan.
Taiwan serves a key strategic role for the U.S.—a non-bloody frontline to contain Chinese expansion. And considering Taiwan’s ambiguous status in global diplomacy, the U.S. gets to “support” Taiwan while extracting substantial tech, economic, and geopolitical leverage. It’s a profitable arrangement.
Of course, this leaves the U.S. in a tight spot: How does it satisfy China (for business) while also defending Taiwan (for strategy)? The answer: it can't. That’s where the contradictions begin—and they've only grown sharper in recent years.
Over time, Taiwan has paid a price for this awkward reality. I see it firsthand. Our international identity is constantly challenged. We deal with confusion over passport names, exclusion from trade blocs, endless political compromises. Even the smallest nations can use the “One China” policy as a bargaining chip. But again—this is realpolitik. It’s not fair, but it is the game.
That brings me to a topic that’s starting to re-emerge in Taiwanese society: the “China constant.” Some people have begun to ask—quietly but increasingly—whether it's time to pursue more pragmatic dialogue with China. Not because we want to be absorbed, but because our current situation is increasingly unsustainable.
Now, to be clear, I personally stand firmly for democracy, human rights, and free speech. I care deeply about U.S. elections because they directly affect Taiwan’s future. I’ve never been on the pro-China side of the political spectrum. But I also recognize this truth: the more the U.S. government aligns itself with self-interest alone—and the more Taiwan gets treated like a pawn—the more people will start to question our current direction.
Recently, our government expelled a few naturalized citizens with extreme pro-PRC affiliations. That would’ve been unthinkable years ago. So while this is technically an internal matter, it reflects rising internal tension fueled by global shifts—many of which are tied to U.S. decisions.
Here’s what stings: Even after Trump announced a 32% tariff on Taiwan—on top of previous “reciprocal” policies—our government only responded with a 880 billion NTD domestic relief plan. Sound familiar? That kind of response is exactly what U.S. citizens often criticize when their own leaders do it—band-aid stimulus that does little to solve root problems.
So yes, once again, people here are talking about the “China constant.” And perhaps for the first time in years, some are genuinely wondering: should we at least talk to Beijing? It’s not easy. There are obvious political and ideological barriers. But as I said—if we judged today’s situation based on what was unthinkable in Chiang Kai-shek’s era, we’d call it science fiction.
Let me be absolutely clear again: I’m not advocating for surrender, absorption, or compromise of our values. But if even Japan, Korea, and China are now reportedly exploring regional economic discussions, would it really be that surprising if Taiwan did too?
You said something about America maintaining world order. I respect the sentiment, but when people say that, I can’t help but recall the era of Dick Cheney. Shall we talk about what that “order” actually meant—for Iraq, for the UN, for civil liberties?
My point is: things are not black and white. Talking about U.S. protection, weapons sales, or global leadership without acknowledging the self-serving half of those equations is misleading.
And frankly, if Trump continues down this path, it won’t just be China, Japan, and Korea sitting down together. It might very well be China and Taiwan too. That’s the possibility I’m trying to highlight—calmly and sincerely, based only on my own observations.
Your post doesn't seem to be offtopic (because it's still here), so I feel free to comment on those bankruptcies;
After help from the Deutsche Bank, he was financially rescued by Russian Oligarchs. I don't think he would have been president without that help long ago. How strong are these ties at the moment? What makes the Orange Oracle tick when he talks about and with Russia?
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Investing in funds that involves the American market seems not to be favourable right now. The ones I have, have been on free fall with the Orange man’s power.
Never thought I’ll say it - but it seems way more secure to invest in Crypto at these days.
Very interesting!
Never thought I’ll say it - but it seems way more secure to invest in Crypto at these days.
Very interesting!
You mean the courts he controls and/or ignores?
It's become clear we have a full blown dictator.
That reminds me of Democrats, especially in California.
State going down the tubes but they will vote for anything with a D next to it
This is a very well written post filled with a lot of information.
I respect the time and effort you put into your response. You are clearly much better informed on the issue than I am. I have the broad strokes, but you have the details down.
I appreciate that you took the time to respond in such detail and bring a level of intellectualism to a thread that has/had the potential to become a school yard screaming match. Thank you for taking the time to reply in such a detailed and thoughtful manor.
I think it's worse than that. I think he's deliberately trying to crash the economy as a pretext to grab more power, sidestep the rule of law, and fuel his "the US is in crisis" narrative. He's unhinged, senile and vindictive, and he's now surrounded by fascists armed with detailed plans instead of the "legacy" adults in government that reined in his worst tendencies last time. The multinational show of solidarity today was awesome and encouraging, and we're going to need to keep it up.
Our family is suspending participation in this economy. We are only planning to purchase food as needed, and cutting back significantly on that as well, and also planting a much larger garden this year and will be visiting our local farmer's market more often. We will also be borrowing and trading more with neighbors. Everything is needlessly stupid right now now. We need a general strike and nationwide boycott! Our future is in tatters.
I hope you are satisfied with your election my US friends.
Trump his voters don't care about the stock market, these are average American workers who are broke, don't own stocks and don't have a 401K, because their jobs have been outsourced and/or due to DEI.
It's like Malibu being on fire and then asking beggars and homeless people if they care about homes of millionaires being on fire. It doesn't affect them.
In any case, only stupid people loose money because this market correction has been telegraphed a long time ago. People only have themselves to blame if they loose money in the current stock market, as even Stevie Wonder could see this coming.
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On that issue yes, but not on the others I pointed out. Besides there is talk of imposing sanctions on Russian oil and uranium, floated by Trump himself.
Trump Floats Fresh Sanctions on Russian Oil
Russia Could Face 500% Uranium, Oil Tariffs Under GOP-Backed Proposal
As I said, they are on opposite sides in the Middle East and Russia will choose China over the US if push comes to shove.
I agree, very enlightening and yes very appropriate for MR as Taiwan is so important in the global IT sector.
An unfounded grievance.
Trump plays that card because revanchism is a tool of tyrants.