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This is small minded. Letting other countries take advantage of us forever will hurt even more people in the long run.
Who is taking advantage of whom? The "math" used by your orangeness in chief makes absolutely no sense. It was your companies who decided to outsource production overseas because it was cheaper. Then again, they did it because you, the US citizens, chose to pay less even if it meant outsourcing labor.

So you get people of other countries doing the jobs you didn't want to do earning wages below the minimum you were willing to accept and often polluting their homeland in the process. And they are taking advantage of you?
 
I think it's worse than that. I think he's deliberately trying to crash the economy as a pretext

Wealth aggregation invariably leads to even more wealth aggregation, so it's well inside the pale to envision this tarrif-thing as a conscious-covert move to release the leavings to those who can comfortably and easily absorb more (many who are the very-same Companies who consciously chose to off-shore).

We may never know.

Dare I say that a large % of the American Voting Populace may only understand that there is this mysterious "Markets" thing out there; that it's scary, volatile, something only special people use, and always being attacked by 'Bad Countries'.

It's far more easy to tread the path of fantasy, then to grasp fact.
 
Perhaps Apple can get an exemption if they agree to make changes that agree with the new administration's agenda. Stuff like removing apps about science and history from the App Store, and content on Apple TV+ and Apple News that is contrary to the agenda.

Edit: Or perhaps the incoming NSA director can have a back door into encrypted data on iCloud. That might be enough.
Now you are talking. A Fox News app preinstalled on your iphone, along with a Trump bitcoin money app and the option to only download one app from the app store which would be News Max. If Elon behaves himself, perhaps later a Tesla app.
 
You mean like the democrats have been doing for the past 12 years. See statue removals, book withdrawals, and school curriculum as evidence.
Could you provide examples of what types of statues that they removed? What books were removed? What curriculum were removed? Why do you think these items were removed?
 
Apple's risk management department and CEO have failed the company. The writing has been on the wall for a decade with respect to Apple's over reliance on China.

Look up Apple's suppliers, most of them are in China. Assembly of devices is only a small part of Apple does in China. There are simply no other suppliers for many of Apple device parts outside of China. Apple cannot manufacture devices without suppliers, and they don't get to choose where those suppliers come from.
 
Liberation, I think.
In the UK what this looks like is a move from Apple to Samsung. I bought my wife a 16 over the weekend but everything else will last 4 years. After that the love affair with Apple may be over if things don't change. Bruce Springsteen does not resonate well any longer.
 
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Maybe companies should quit overly relying on China for cheap everything. Wouldn’t be in this predicament if they didn’t sell out for a quick buck, euro, pound, etc

If people are unwilling to pay high prices in order to protect local manufacturers, why would companies?
 
I wanted to say I don't care, its the American people who decided they need this lunatic in power. But what pisses me off, is that all his actions have affect on all global economies. So he is not only responsible for US but also for the rest of democratic countries. The years that it took to build relationships and trust is destroyed in few months. It will take time to fix this. And it will not be the same. Although, I agree that other countries should not have put all of their eggs in one basket. This is as much on them as on US.

I was thinking what will happen then the #1 world supper power status will change from US to China, but I guess we will see real quick. Trump f@#$ real hard, and if it was not totally clear before, now US will definitely be number two. Interesting how China will use its powers now, and what major actions they will take.

ps: oh and NATO, when US needed help in middle east, they asked for help and support. When times were calm and nothing was happening, they were all in support. But now when things are hard and getting harder, they are being p#ssies and and running away. Well at least EU know that they can't trust them. Its better to know your enemies then to have them stab you in the back.
 
I wanted to say I don't care, its the American people who decided they need this lunatic in power. But what pisses me off, is that all his actions have affect on all global economies. So he is not only responsible for US but also for the rest of democratic countries. The years that it took to build relationships and trust is destroyed in few months. It will take time to fix this. And it will not be the same. Although, I agree that other countries should not have put all of their eggs in one basket. This is as much on them as on US.

I was thinking what will happen then the #1 world supper power status will change from US to China, but I guess we will see real quick. Trump f@#$ real hard, and if it was not totally clear before, now US will definitely be number two. Interesting how China will use its powers now, and what major actions they will take.

ps: oh and NATO, when US needed help in middle east, they asked for help and support. When times were calm and nothing was happening, they were all in support.
Western European countries stood up and supported those US actions in the Middle East after Twin Towers. They did, without questions asked.
But now when things are hard and getting harder, they are being p#ssies and and running away. Well at least EU know that they can't trust them. Its better to know your enemies then to have them stab you in the back.
 
Look up Apple's suppliers, most of them are in China. Assembly of devices is only a small part of Apple does in China. There are simply no other suppliers for many of Apple device parts outside of China. Apple cannot manufacture devices without suppliers, and they don't get to choose where those suppliers come from.
As people in the car industry, and manufacturing generally, would tell you, suppliers invariably relocate to where the manufacturing occurs. It happened when many of the US car manufacturers moved to Mexico. This happens because it is advantageous financially and operationally for upstream suppliers to be located near their customer's plant. This is exactly the kind of benefit that occurs with a strong manufacturing base and it would happen again if Apple relocated it's manufacturing. This effect helps create what is known as an economic virtuous circle.
 
Personally I find the concept of a shooting war with China to be absolutely abhorrent.

Please let's not even casually ponder that as anything other than a disastorous outcome.

Has it simply been too long since major conflict for some parts of the West to not realize how terrible anything along those lines would actually be?

We aren't living in a TV show, Movie or Video Game here.

"World War 3" should be avoided at all costs.
 
Personally I find the concept of a shooting war with China to be absolutely abhorrent.

Please let's not even casually ponder that as anything other than a disastorous outcome.

Has it simply been too long since major conflict for some parts of the West to not realize how terrible anything along those lines would actually be?

We aren't living in a TV show, Movie or Video Game here.

"World War 3" should be avoided at all costs.

If I may be so bold, such things will not be started by moving compute production lines to US Domestic Soil.

China seemed more than happy to allow Companies to out-source the grungiest parts of the Production onto Chinese Soil over the years . . . not that it matters much in the general scheme of things: human concern for the environment is extremely low on the list of Priorities these days.

Overlaying (or underlying, if you would) all this is the the whole "Pay Less; Buy More" market-meme, which is now firmly ingrained in Consumer culture-expectation.

There are a lot of layers (and layers, upon layers) in the Producer:Consumer dynamic, but there are few Consumers who are willingly pay more for something when they can conveniently purchase it elsewhere for less.

Who of us today filter our Product searches High-to-Low when intent upon buying?

Of course, what Producer exists who wants to pay more for the combined components of their Product, than they can expect to receive in return from the Consumer?

Businesses that market Products logically adhere to the primary goal of securing a profit for their endeavours. Otherwise, they will not remain long in the Market, correct?

Bezos started selling books. Walton started a mercantile chain.

They both realized that--to remain successful, and secure increasing profits--they would need to procure supply-chains that kept their costs down, and keep their profits high.

I don't have the time (or energy) to dive into the genius of Bezos's "storehouse the high-demand things close to the Consumer" strategy (great idea, but it's really not directly pertinent to the vein of "America First").

Sam Walton, on the other hand, sincerely (at least, initially) desired to support the American manufacturer whose Product was created on Domestic Soil.


"There are some Wal-Mart practices not to be found in the excellence literature. One is Walton's "Buying American" campaign. An extremely patriotic person, Walton decided to do something about America's balance of payments problems in the mid-1980s. He launched a determined effort to market American-made products. Included in the effort was a willingness to find American manufacturers who could supply merchandise for the entire Wal-Mart chain at a price low enough to meet the foreign competition. Between March, 1985 and 1988 Wal-Mart claims to have purchased over $1.2 billion worth of goods under this program, producing 22, 3000 [sic] jobs in the United States."

Interestingly, Sam could be seen toodling-around Bentonville in his F-150 (a 1998 copy of which currently sits in my driveway).

Do any of the currently-alive Waltons drive Domestic?

I'm not creating pedestals upon which to elevate our Producers, but to highlight that--no matter the ultimate convictions, efforts and visions--Producers have to wake-up and review the Company balance-sheets every day. If one has five stores to Manage, it's a relatively easy process. Successful Business eventually escapes the reach of the original hands, and has to fall into the multiples that inevitably decide how cohesive these tangents may operate.

Decedents usually pass-on their estate to their Beneficiaries, and it falls upon them to carry--or toss--the Torch.

In my experience, I've seen Company Values fail/fall when they fall into the hands of those other not their Creators.

C'est la vie.

To those of who really care about such things, the game of "Where is Sam Walton?" is really not that exciting anymore.

Truthfully, the game of "Where is Steve Jobs?" isn't, either.
 
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Could you provide examples of what types of statues that they removed? What books were removed? What curriculum were removed? Why do you think these items were removed?
Does Google not work for you?



 
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Look up Apple's suppliers, most of them are in China. Assembly of devices is only a small part of Apple does in China. There are simply no other suppliers for many of Apple device parts outside of China
Though there, maybe, could have been suppliers outside of China.
If Apple had diversified their suppliers more, decades ago.

China has evolved to way more than just be manufacturers for western designs.

If China (Foxconn) decided to stop manufacturing Apple products tomorrow, who would still make smartphones?
- Chinese smartphone companies (Xiaomi, Vivo, Huawei, Oppo) in Chinese factories, with Chinese supplies?
- Or Apple in factories elsewhere around the world?
 
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