I hope it is not the same panel: I have two of those ultrafines and both developed weird ghosting/burn in after as little as 3 months...
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Apple Stops Selling 27-Inch LG UltraFine 5K Display
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Apple could implement that in software if they wanted to - easy peasy.
Edit - In fact.... it's very much feasible that the community could implement this rather soon considering how well M1 Linux is progressing. All you kinda have to to is use the Thunderbolt port as a device input (we know this mode is supported since we can hook up macs to sync), emulate a display device, and then shove the display data onto the screen's frame buffer. You could put such a system onto a USB dongle and boot it up as needed without needing further input - basically bringing target display mode back.
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They might have been contracted with Apple since Apple was suppose to assist with the creation, so probably LG cannot sell it outside of Apple. It is probably a dead product and aftermarket selling (eBay, Amazon etc.) takes over.
I think you've hit on the problem. Normally, an IT product that cost $1200 in 2016 would have been replaced by something with significantly better specs/higher resolution at the same price by now.
However, the PC market has hit 4k and stubbornly stopped. Problem is, 4k UHD is "good enough". Up to about 27", UHD is 'retina' at 21" viewing distance, so going higher brings rapidly diminishing returns. The Goldilocks Zone issue of 27" 4k screens needing non-integer scaling to get the system text/icon sizes 'just right' is a MacOS artefact that doesn't affect the Windows world. DisplayPort 1.4 adoption was slow, without which 5k needs Thunderbolt 3 or a dual-cable kludge.... So, basically, only Mac users want 5k and while HP, Dell etc. did briefly launch 5k displays they rapidly disappeared. The LG one was very obviously produced in partnership with Apple.
So it looks like there's no upgrade path for the "affordable" 5k display until mini LED comes along - and although the price of the Apple Studio Display seems high it could be that Apple, as the only user of 5k panels, are having to pay through the nose for the parts.
That's the problem though - with mini LED, maybe even micro LED and, hopefully, higher frame rates coming Real Soon Now and 5k looking like a dead-end format, $$$$ for an edge-lit 5k panel just doesn't feel like the investment it might have done 5 years ago.
...but the display improvements are fairly incremental, the sort of thing you'd expect "for free" from 5 years of progress, the cosmetic changes are... cosmetic, while the LG may have looked ugly it had better practical ergonomics (e.g. fully adjustable stand, built-in VESA mount as standard). I'm sure the new speaker system sounds better than anything else built into an ultra-slim display but they're unlikely to replace, say, the studio monitors and external microphones you might find in the studio where you're going to use your studio display. Heck, I only mess about with (alleged) "music" for my own amusement and use a $300 pair of KRKs (peanuts by monitor speaker standards) after experiencing the hot mess if you try even amateur mixing with less. Even enthusiastic YouTube vloggers are likely to invest in proper cameras, speakers and microphone gear.
Built in webcams are only good for video conferencing...and, looks like I might be able to use my iPad as a webcam for social Zoom meetings.
So whatever its features, I don't quite see who the Studio Display is for...
I have an UltraFine 5k and a Pro Display XDR side by side. I agree---the LG looks great, even compared to a 6K 32 inch monster. Some people whine about "but it's plastic!" Yes, but so what? I care about the screen--not the borders. The UltraFine speakers are acceptable and the webcam was/is very good. They are solid displays you used to be able to grab on eBay for 999. Sad they were cancelled, but completely get it---if I were in the market for a display, I'd buy the LG and save the few hundred bucks. That's not great for Apple!
The same audience that used an iMac before. Do they need better speakers? No. Will they like them? Yes. Do they need a better camera? No. Will they like it? Yes. Not everyone has a studio microphone and a studio camera in their software development studio. ;-)
But I agree that it's an actual shame that there is no variant that's just a damn screen without 400 or so bucks of bells and whistles.
I disagree that it’s a significantly better product. The 3 separate non-interchangeable skus is an absolute deal breaker for me.
Tech usually either gets cheaper or better or both over time though. I’m not sure how it’s “significantly better”. If you compare adjustable stands it costs $600 more.
The camera is probably better but that’s about it. I’m sure there are plenty of people who don’t care for the webcam anyway
Somewhat. Because they believe theirs is the best and the only way to go.
That, per se, isn’t bad, if it was true.
I picked the revision B model which is the current model and owned it for about 14 months then is died last fall. I’ve been having a heck of a time having it repaired by lg. first they want a $150 out of warranty then when I received it back it did the same thing 5 hours later. It’s back at lg “waiting on parts” for the last month so I wouldn’t buy another lg monitor at all. I don’t think the new studio display is worth $1600 but there is not really any other monitor option available. Apple should have came out with a cheaper 30”or 32” monitor but it would eat into sakes or at least priced it at $1299 for what you get. There will be no mini led versions until this model is replaced which would be years imo.
Apple has removed the 27-inch LG UltraFine 5K display that was previously a Mac user's go-to option for external monitors from its online store following the launch of the Studio Display.
LG and Apple had worked on the display together, promising tight integration with macOS. The UltraFine 5K display featured a 5K display, P3 wide color with 500 nits of brightness, and one Thunderbolt 3 port capable of charging a Mac.
Following the announcement of the Studio Display this week, Apple has removed the UltraFine 5K display from its online store, now only listing the 23.7-inch UltraFine 4K display starting at $699. LG's own website also lists the UltraFine 5K display as sold out, and it's not entirely clear if the display will be restocked anytime soon.
The UltraFine 5K display retailed for $1,299, compared to the $1,599 starting price of Apple's Studio Display. The Studio Display was made available for pre-order this week and will be available on March 18. Learn more about Apple's newest display with our roundup.
Article Link: Apple Stops Selling 27-Inch LG UltraFine 5K Display
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If someone goes into an Apple Store or uses the Apple Store online site and restricts what they buy to those stores, that is a lack of research on the part of the purchaser.
There are multiple stores with online sites (or are entirely online) where someone can do basic research on price and functionality from the ease of their home (or from a library or place of business that provides internet access):
- Amazon
- Best Buy
- Micro Center
- eBay
- Office Depot / Office Max
- Staples
- Likely many more, I am just listing those in my city or that I know of online
This is no different from any other type of purchase - if you go to one car dealership, without doing any research, not only is it possible to pay more for whatever car you buy, but you also may buy expensive add-ons that you could have got for a lower price somewhere else.
I understand you aren't happy with Apple, but this (dropping LG monitor in favor of Apple's new monitor in the Apple Store) is not anti-consumer behavior.
I’ll tell ya what’s not very cool... That I can’t go to a BMW dealership and buy a Honda Civic. Totally crap!
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At least in Germany, as of now, it is in stock:
https://www.lg.com/de/monitore/lg-27MD5KL-B
Availability was on/off for many months, at the moment, it is "on". So, they still sell it. Whether they still produce it: Dunno.
I'm not too familiar with the LG display. Did it have a tri-beam microphone and camera like the Studio Display? Oh, and did the LG display have 4 thunderbolt 4 ports???
The LG display is not sold anywhere else? Are you saying it was an Apple exclusive?
Yeah...I'm kind of steamed I can't buy a Toyota at a Ford dealership. But I do know where I can get one.
I suspect Apple did indeed have an agreement to sell them. Otherwise Tim Cook wouldn’t have made such a big deal at the Apple event about partnering with LG. Remember also these were the exact same panels that were in the iMacs. Also, it was extremely hard to find these LG monitors anywhere else, at least in Canada. They were only available at Apple, at least when I looked.
I wonder who makes the panels for the 27" Studio Display.
These issues were fixed with later updates, according to forum members here.
Does anyone sell a 200 ppi 30” screen that is good quality and works well with Macs? I don’t like 218 ppi as much.
I say this as an owner of a 2017 27” iMac (218 ppi) and a 30” Apple Cinema HD Display (100 ppi). A pixel quadrupled (200 ppi) version of the Cinema Display would be totally awesome.
24" or 27"? Never. They're both way too small. I would never part with my 43" display, except maybe for a 49" or 55". Having a 43"-55" Retina display would be better yet. Having my Mac desktop as big as a physical desktop is the best upgrade I've made in many years.
My understanding is it is gone from the LG website as well. I'm sure they are all over eBay-I bought two of them for < $1,000.00. Good displays, but why in the world would Apple let its new display compete with a mildly inferior but less expensive product? That would just be silly business.
If only it could do more than 60hz !!! But, plenty of other monitors that can so no loss really. I wish Apple would do a true consumer grade / priced monitor. The truly galling aspect is the cost of adding “height adjustment”… to a monitor! Only Apple!
You'd rather have a less higher density display, or did I misinterpret what you wrote?
Don‘t disagree with any of that. I think Apple have just been rubbing me up the wrong way in recent times and so I’m more likely to dislike anything they do that’s even remotely negative.