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Too bad the EU regulators weren't invested in the "single standard" they were forcing on us enough to think to standardize that "single standard". I could go to the store right now and pick up 5 USB-C cables...and each and every one of them could have different capabilities. The average person isn't going to read the packaging to find out what that cable can or can't do. But they will be surprised when that "single standard" doesn't work the way they think it will. A good example of this...some USB-C cables don't support charging.

Nothing the EU did with this legislation is beneficial. This isn't a major win. Regulators don't always know what's best...
We wouldn’t have USB C iPhones period without the legislation
 
Incorrect. Apple was moving off lighting the DAY THEY (Apple) INTRODUCED USB-C with the 12" MacBook. Intel developed USB-C together with Apple.

Apple was moving away from Lighting on EVERY SINGLE DEVICE before the EU started enforcing the legislation. This INCLUDES the iPhone. They (Apple) did take a bit longer, because Apple wanted to move to wireless charging completely with AirPower. That failed so they tried again with MagSafe on iPhone. That didn't fail, but is still not very popular. So then they moved to USB-C for the forseeable future.
Lmao what a load of bull. AirPower was discontinued in 2019, why didn’t they switch back then?
 
We wouldn’t have USB C iPhones period without the legislation
Which would be perfectly fine with me, honestly. My current phone is my first USB-C iPhone and it is the first phone to EVER give me trouble with CarPlay. My USB-C iPad doesn’t reliably charge…the port is loose. There’s also a finicky USB-C port on my MacBook. In my experience, at least, USB-C is an inferior crapshow of a port. I wouldn’t consider it an improvement over the previous port in any way. But I also wouldn’t consider power-hungry politicians as a source of smart/beneficial decision-making, either.

And we “wouldn’t have USB-C iPhones without the legislation?” Really? You might want to check yourself on that. The first iPhone to have USB-C was the iPhone 15 released in September of LAST YEAR (2023). The USB-C mandate doesn’t go into effect until December 28 (tomorrow…or today, depending on where you are at this point) of THIS YEAR (2024).

Apple could’ve shipped the iPhone 15 with Lightning and would NOT have been in violation of the legislation.
 
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Really? You might want to check yourself on that. The first iPhone to have USB-C was the iPhone 15 released in September of LAST YEAR (2023). The USB-C mandate doesn’t go into effect until December 28 (tomorrow…or today, depending on where you are at this point) of THIS YEAR (2024).

Apple could’ve shipped the iPhone 15 with Lightning and would NOT have been in violation of the legislation.
It takes a few years to draft and release a new design of an iPhone. Apple would have made the switch as soon as they knew the EU directive was going to go into place since otherwise, they’d only have one phone they can legally sell after that point, as per this very article.

The EU directive was officially going to happen as of October 2022. iPhone got it the following cycle.
 
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It'd be released within the next 5 years. We've already reached the limit of USB-C with 240W and 40 gb/s.

For example we already have Oculink that leaves Thunderbolt eating dust. But Oculink isn't a simple standard.
Guys,

do you get that 240W and 40 GB/s are much more than the real needs for the 99% of the population?
 
40Gbps seems like a fair solution for those people who are constrained by internal SSD capacity. Booting to an external TB4 SSD is probably leaps and bounds better than standard USB bandwidth. Are you saying only 1% of Apple customers care about that?
 
I’m surprised Apple got to the point of having to remove the SE from sale before the new USB-C model is available.

This law isn’t a surprise and there’s been plenty of time to plan for it.

Don’t forget Apple removed the OG SE for sale 18 months before SE2 was revealed
 
40Gbps seems like a fair solution for those people who are constrained by internal SSD capacity. Booting to an external TB4 SSD is probably leaps and bounds better than standard USB bandwidth. Are you saying only 1% of Apple customers care about that?
That would be a good assumption. No need to add cost for an insignificant part of the customer base.
 
They should have kept the 15 range. They were USB C and the Pro’s can take Apple Intelligence.
 
So other brands of devices are still allowed to sell products without USB-C charging ports? Only Apple is banned? Just asking. This article doesn’t mention it so I guess they can continue.
I am curious myself as I recently bought a Larq self cleaning water bottle and it is micro USB same for the Bontrager bike lights. I assume Apple is not bending the knee or paying as much as other companies so the EU wants its cut.
 
I am curious myself as I recently bought a Larq self cleaning water bottle and it is micro USB same for the Bontrager bike lights. I assume Apple is not bending the knee or paying as much as other companies so the EU wants its cut.

Microusb can't be sold either now. Same rules.
 
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That's on what EU is working, to reduce the cost to leave an ecosystem... I look forward to have replaceable batteries, not only on phones but on laptops too :)
I guess people outside the EU will benefit from easily replaceable batteries. I’m just curious how the iPhone will be redesigned (for all markets) to accommodate this new regulation. It’s been a long time since I used a phone with a easily accessible battery compartment.
 
When the home button goes away for good then that’ll be my best chance to abandon iPhone after owning one for over ten years.

I detest Face ID, not to mention the older home button iPhones just felt better in the hands to use.

iPhones used to be enjoyable tech, but with these newer iPhones they just feel like tools.

And although I’ve heard Android has some pretty reputable tools now, the truth is this is an opportunity to rid/curb smartphone use.

I’ll probably get a 9th Gen iPad and ideally go back to a flip phone.
Have you ever used an iPhone with Face ID? I love Face ID but I really missing having the chin. I've never used an iPad for more than a few minutes but I think the shrinking of the bezels on that and the iPhone has played a part of it not feeling good in the hands.

As for switching to a flip phone... I had thought of doing that many years ago, could've been before I switched to iPhone (at the 4S) or when they started growing (6S). But these newer flip phones are pretty cheap feeling and not pleasant to use at all.
 
For some reason electric razors and electric toothbrushes are still allowed to have their proprietary connectors. I assume it has to do with Phillips sending out more gifts to Brussels than Apple.

More likely to do with safety pretty sure Cyprus, Malta and Ireland use British style plugs and wiring codes which wouldn’t allow for those devices to have USB C in a bathroom.
 
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When the home button goes away for good then that’ll be my best chance to abandon iPhone after owning one for over ten years.

I detest Face ID, not to mention the older home button iPhones just felt better in the hands to use.

iPhones used to be enjoyable tech, but with these newer iPhones they just feel like tools.

And although I’ve heard Android has some pretty reputable tools now, the truth is this is an opportunity to rid/curb smartphone use.

I’ll probably get a 9th Gen iPad and ideally go back to a flip phone.

Yeah... I felt sort of the same when I had to replace my 1st gen SE. While I now do have a iPhone with Face-ID, I still prefer touch-ID because with Face-ID the phone sometimes unlocks a bit too fast to my taste. One of the reasons to turn off "raise to wake" by default. I hope that next iPhone models get both, Touch-ID in the screen and Face-ID.

You say "iPhones they just feel like tools": well, it was always a tool from the start. Everyone called it a "tech gadget" in the first years. Just like when the internet came along, heck even the old telephone... few saw its potential when it was new and now it is a common "tool".


More likely to do with safety pretty sure Cyprus, Malta and Ireland use British style plugs and wiring codes which wouldn’t allow for those devices to have USB C in a bathroom.

The wiring code only applies to high voltage powered devices. For decades electric razors and toothbrushes are low voltage battery powered for both comfort and safety. Ever seen the old special razor socket in bathrooms in the last 40 years? I assume that razors, brushes are excluded from the directive because the USB-C plug isn't designed to be used in (very) moist environments like bathrooms. Try charging a phone with a wet USB-C plug... it's not reliable.
 
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It got apple off lightning. That's enough for me, and for that, I applaud the EU.

The invisible hand is invisible because it doesn't exist.
You mean the standard Apple was already leaving behind when the EU concocted this nonsense "legislation"?
 
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Good to see that Apple has switched to USB C. Expecting Apple to continue selling the older models in other regions for another year probably before they are permanently discontinued.
 
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When the home button goes away for good then that’ll be my best chance to abandon iPhone after owning one for over ten years.

I detest Face ID, not to mention the older home button iPhones just felt better in the hands to use.

iPhones used to be enjoyable tech, but with these newer iPhones they just feel like tools.

And although I’ve heard Android has some pretty reputable tools now, the truth is this is an opportunity to rid/curb smartphone use.

I’ll probably get a 9th Gen iPad and ideally go back to a flip phone.
Straddling software ecosystems, the fewer conflicting gestures I have to keep up with, the better. I definitely like the hardware button to jump out of stuff on my iPad 9, to the point I reflexively reach for it on my Android tablet. Android at least has popup buttons to fall back on. And I definitely prefer a physical fingerprint reader. If I'm half asleep and click buy on something by mistake again, I want that hard pause as I look in horror, not a 'yep, it's you, ok.'

If you can find an easy to navigate flip phone at a reasonable price that doesn't require a specific phone contract, please let me know. I need to move an elderly relative with dementia to one, and they either still have hard to navigate menus and difficult typing methods for texts, or are only available with special plans and also have emergency buttons he will definitely accidentally push. I miss the "simple ui" option some early Androids had.
 
It'd be released within the next 5 years. We've already reached the limit of USB-C with 240W and 40 gb/s.

For example we already have Oculink that leaves Thunderbolt eating dust. But Oculink isn't a simple standard.
Thunderbolt 5 can transmit data with up to 120 Gbit/s. Can you elaborate why you don’t consider this to be USB-C ?
 
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