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Apple Stops Signing iOS 13.7 After Releasing iOS 14, Downgrading No Longer Possible

iGeek2019

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To those that have upgraded, what are your thoughts on iOS 14? I have the second gen SE on iOS 13.7. I have almost never done a major iOS upgrade on an iPhone in the year it is announced. Are there any features ditched in iOS 14? Any major bug issues?

I’ve got iPhone SE (2020) here and on the whole iOS 14 is far better than 13.7-battery life is vastly improved and haven’t noticed any major bugs. Only thing I have encountered a couple of times is replying to the odd text message and the keyboard not responding straight away but that’s it.
 

valkov9191

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Aug 14, 2020
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For me iOS 14 is like iOS 12 - works very well and I have no problems. I know it's maybe funny but the only reason the beep came back to iOS 13 (which is no longer possible) was the old icon of the music app. I don't like the new one. Something else doesn't make me want downgrade. iOS 13 was bad experience. 🙂
 

DempaX

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Jun 4, 2014
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Wow, they still have not patched bugs in iOS 14.0000000 and refuse to let us back? My health DB is still broken since iOS14/WatchOS7 update. :mad:
 
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2ilent8cho

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In corporate environment, upgrading software blindly is asking for trouble. I wish Apple had options to at least defer upgrades for a while.
Now with that new “auto download” toggle, let me see how it pans out.

Erm, they do have the option to defer upgrades. We have our 1300 iPads set to 90 days deferral , the most they can upgrade to at the moment is 13.6.1 for us. By 90 days we expect iOS 14 to be good enough and apps supported fully.
 

C DM

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Erm, they do have the option to defer upgrades. We have our 1300 iPads set to 90 days deferral , the most they can upgrade to at the moment is 13.6.1 for us. By 90 days we expect iOS 14 to be good enough and apps supported fully.
As of iOS 13.6 there is also an option now to disable auto-download of updates (in addition to the previously existing option for auto-install).
 
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Xenomorph

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Why do these articles always have a title that says DOWNGRADING isn't possible?

Apple is blocking INSTALLS.

They are not targeting "downgrading".

UPGRADING is blocked. (<13.7 to 13.7)

REINSTALLING is blocked. (13.7 to 13.7)

Installs are blocked. All installs. Not just downgrading.

You cannot upgrade to 13.7 any longer.
 

iMe

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I may be alone - but I dislike apples policy on this. I am the "first" to update to a new system because I want the new features. But now - on an old iPad Air given to my children to use as a "tv" I´d love to revert to an earlier system as I believe it would speed up the device. My kids don't need all the features added in the updates I installed. They'd want to be able to have a device that reacts on finger input and plays videos. that's it.

I just apple gave me a choice to decide if I am willing to take the potential security risks by going back to an older version with missing security updates...
 

Shirasaki

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Erm, they do have the option to defer upgrades. We have our 1300 iPads set to 90 days deferral , the most they can upgrade to at the moment is 13.6.1 for us. By 90 days we expect iOS 14 to be good enough and apps supported fully.
But there is no option to disable update permanently. Security wise not a nice move but it would come in handy in certain situations. There’s an article saying part of the music industry is reluctant to upgrade to Catalina or newer due to software compatibility.
I hope that new switch will achieve a somewhat similar effect.
 

laptech

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So much for iphone owners thinking they have control of their own iphones..think again, Apple controls what you can and cannot do with your phone.
 

2ilent8cho

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As of iOS 13.6 there is also an option now to disable auto-download of updates (in addition to the previously existing option for auto-install).

You do that setting on your MDM, which any organisation deploying iOS devices should have.


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DinkThifferent

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Oct 18, 2018
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Good riddance! Since installing iPadOS 14 I don’t get that dreaded “this page had to reload because a problem occurred“ error when I (re)open Safari. First time since iOS 12!

Thank you Apple for finally releasing a good version of i(pad)OS again!
 
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MacinMan

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To those that have upgraded, what are your thoughts on iOS 14? I have the second gen SE on iOS 13.7. I have almost never done a major iOS upgrade on an iPhone in the year it is announced. Are there any features ditched in iOS 14? Any major bug issues?
I upgraded an iPhone 7 Plus, and iPad Air 2 on day one. So far I have no complaints. Everything is smooth and snappy, haven't run into any crashes, or lockups. Battery doesn't seem any different from my regular use.

iOS 13.7 was stable on both devices, however iOS 14 feels better all around. I've been regularly receiving app updates, and had updated all apps to the latest versions prior to the upgrade of iOS, and everything has pretty much just worked out of the box. Same with my Apple TVs, haven't experienced any problems with TVOS 14 either. When it comes time to upgrade the Mac to Big Sur, that I may wait on.

I'll just finish by saying based on my own experience, and the experiences of others I follow on YouTube, and even just reading, I would say it depends on your use case, and iOS 14 seems to be a fairly safe upgrade to recommend. I know there are still known issues, and apps known not to work, however, if none of those apply to you, go ahead and upgrade.
 
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Tommo66

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In corporate environment, upgrading software blindly is asking for trouble. I wish Apple had options to at least defer upgrades for a while.
Now with that new “auto download” toggle, let me see how it pans out.
That is what the Beta test program is for, you get plenty of time to test on development units before the final release. No need to 'blindly' upgrade.
 

russell_314

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Feb 10, 2019
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Why do these articles always have a title that says DOWNGRADING isn't possible?

Apple is blocking INSTALLS.

They are not targeting "downgrading".

UPGRADING is blocked. (<13.7 to 13.7)

REINSTALLING is blocked. (13.7 to 13.7)

Installs are blocked. All installs. Not just downgrading.

You cannot upgrade to 13.7 any longer.
Upgrading is not blocked. You can upgrade to the current version of iOS 14. iOS 13 is no longer supported.
 

russell_314

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No GPS Data, Heart Rate or Calories being recorded and severe battery drain.
Every time there’s an update people complain about battery drain. It’s because the new installation is doing something to drain the battery. The first few days my battery life was terrible. Now it’s better than on iOS 13.
 

Shirasaki

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That is what the Beta test program is for, you get plenty of time to test on development units before the final release. No need to 'blindly' upgrade.
My whole point is it is not always the right choice to stay in the bleeding edge. Operating System upgrade breaking stuff is not uncommon, so such aggressive upgrade policy will more likely cause problems during the upgrade, especially when downgrade is not an option. Beta software is not the production software. Something that was tested during beta may still break in release version.
 
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Wanted797

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Oct 28, 2011
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I’m dyslexic and saw the 7 as a 4 and then swapped the 7 and the 3. Meaning I saw iOS 14.3

I was like what the hell! They skipped 14.1 for 14.2 now we’re jumping to 14.3!

Oh...wait. I see.
 

Biglethal69

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Feb 21, 2019
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How awesome if we have so much problem with iOS 14 with so many bugs now we can’t go back to 13 so we’re just locked in to the Apple ecosystem even more awesome.
 

Babygotfont

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13.7 was FINALLY stable for my IPX/sprint ... prior to that was big issues w/LTE-wifi switching, overheating, spring boarding,

14.0, 14.2B1 ... both are bad for me ... those with 857+ apps installed, big problems ... 655479

I regret updating and am restoring now
 
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