Apple Stops Signing iOS 15.0 Following iOS 15.0.1 Release, Downgrading No Longer Possible

[DailySlow]

All I gotta say is my old Mac Mini (late 2014 Intel) runs a LOT cooler after the update - also Safari is way more snappier. Happy camper. Before update (also Mojave) I ran a fan on my box.

 

[Bandaman]

All I gotta say is my old Mac Mini (late 2014 Intel) runs a LOT cooler after the update - also Safari is way more snappier. Happy camper. Before update (also Mojave) I ran a fan on my box.

That's wonderful, but this thread is about iOS.

 

[gldoorii]

For me it's 14.8 until my phone stops working

 

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

I despise this whole signing process thing and wish someone would file a class action lawsuit over this!

 

[mikedude86]

Oof, don’t do it! I did last 15.0.1…my 13 screen constantly freezes in all apps, full black screen opening messages app…I’m not sure if there’s a delay but hangin up a call last week I accidentally FaceTimed a coworker and had to shut the phone completely off because the phone didn’t recognize i was touching the screen…and not exclusive to iPhone, my screen froze twice just writing this, from my iPad Air 4 🤦🏻‍♂️

 

[AlexJaye]

It'd be great if the flashlight in iOS 15 knew how to stay on.

 

[posguy99]

No, users on iOS 14.5 and above can still update to iOS 14.8, because Apple introduced a new mechanism called AlternateSU (Alternate Software Update) that allows OTA updates to 14.8 but not restores in iTunes/Finder, therefore blocking downgrades while still keeping 14.x supported for users who are not ready to update.

Is this documented somewhere? I found the Reddit thread but I wouldn't call that documentation.

 

[kid1230]

they really Forcing you and tying your hands huh lol

 

[robertosh]

will stick to 14 on my 1st gen ipad pro. No need any of the new features and dont want to ruin the experience on a hardware that is starting to age a bit.

 

[acconda81]

iPad Pro 10.5 will not update to 15.0.1 by air or by cable via pc, just says erroe. it’s been a **** iPad anyhow, especially with the bright spot above home button. I Will be looking at surface next I think, no more apple for me.

 

[Bandaman]

iPad Pro 10.5 will not update to 15.0.1 by air or by cable via pc, just says erroe. it’s been a **** iPad anyhow, especially with the bright spot above home button. I Will be looking at surface next I think, no more apple for me.

Do a DFU mode restore.

 

[m00f]

At least they’re not hammering all of us 6 times a day with notifications to upgrade to the newest version of iOS like they used to. That behavior made me despise the company.

That’s a good point. For a while it was like WTF IS HAPPENING it’s Apple not Windows XP

iOS 6 forever. The later trash sucks and is not needed.

I do really miss that Podcast app with reel to reel tape

They should allow downgrades

Absolutely and I wish this was a much bigger focus in the whole right to repair conversation. Seems like the easiest most low hanging fruit

 

[Knightcastle]

I am staying on iOS 14.8 until Apple provides more clarity on their CSAM feature rollout plans.

It’s already in 14.8, ready to be activated… isn’t it?

 

[Powerbooky]

IPados 15 is such a buggy mess

In what way?

I keep alle mobile devices in the house on iOS14.8 / iPadOS 14.8 until at least 15.1 is out and I've read good reviews here. I've run into some HomeKit bugs (random time or external triggers not working) that only appeared when I upgraded my AppleTV's to tvOS 15.0 (and HomePods) and so far I could (temporarily) "restore" by rewriting rules on iOS 14.8

 

[Skewlovevism]

They should allow downgrades

I would like the ability to restore to, either, the current version, or the original version, the device came with.
I would put my iPad mini 2 to ios7 again. Shame it didnt come with ios6, my favourite OS

 

[sdf]

You must be new to iOS betas. Do not use them for important devices.

No, I'm an iOS app developer and have a device designated for betas. I've been testing releases for a long time. This particular release was very safe, at least in later betas, and that resulted in a relatively safe final.

I didn't say back to beta 1, which maybe is what you thought I was implying. That's not because I used beta 1 and found it unstable; it was too early to have enough value to test, even on a test machine. (And don't think I'm defending beta 1! The reason I didn't use it is because I know not to expect much out of beta 1 based on previous releases.)

 

[ackmondual]

Wait forever if you want. You’ll get no straight answer from a tech blog. 50% will say it’s a dumpster fire and 50% will say it’s fine. You can’t believe either side. But know that no software will ever be perfect and free of bugs.

Heh... one of those "speak for yourself" moments. My iPad Air (1st gen, from 2013) is STILL on ios8 (eight). In hindsight, I should've updated it to ios10, the last major version of iOS before they mandated apps be 64-bit. At this point, the battery life has taken a major hit. I still use it from time to time, but at this point, I may as well just buy a new iPad to get access to later versions of iOS.

 

[31 Flavas]

Heh... one of those "speak for yourself" moments. My iPad Air (1st gen, from 2013) is STILL on ios8 (eight). In hindsight, I should've updated it to ios10, the last major version of iOS before they mandated apps be 64-bit. At this point, the battery life has taken a major hit. I still use it from time to time, but at this point, I may as well just buy a new iPad to get access to later versions of iOS.

Whats wrong iOS 12? Wasn't that supposed to be the “Snow Leopard” of iOS releases?

 

[ackmondual]

Whats wrong iOS 12? Wasn't that supposed to be the “Snow Leopard” of iOS releases?

ios11 and later is when they required all apps to be 64-bit compatible. I had a few games that would not make that leap.

 

[rui no onna]

No, users on iOS 14.5 and above can still update to iOS 14.8, because Apple introduced a new mechanism called AlternateSU (Alternate Software Update) that allows OTA updates to 14.8 but not restores in iTunes/Finder, therefore blocking downgrades while still keeping 14.x supported for users who are not ready to update. But this also means that if your phone bootloops, you have no other choice than to update to iOS 15.

On iOS 14.4.2 and below, you can only update to iOS 15 as the AlternateSU mechanism didn't exist yet (unless you use the delayed software updates feature meant for enterprise managed devices, which works in a very similar way only allowing upgrades and not downgrades: https://support.apple.com/guide/mdm/managing-software-updates-mdm02df57e2a/web)

Just received my iPad mini 5 order from Walmart. Came with 14.7.1 preinstalled and I was happily able to update (OTA) to 14.8.

 

[alexiaa]

Is this documented somewhere? I found the Reddit thread but I wouldn't call that documentation.

There's some limited documentation here about delayed software updates which is very similar to the mechanism used for the alternative update channel, but obviously they don't go too deep into the internals of how exactly it works: https://support.apple.com/guide/mdm/managing-software-updates-mdm02df57e2a/web