Apple Stops Signing iOS 15.4.1 Following iOS 15.5 Release, Downgrading No Longer Possible

[contacos]

I wish they would stop doing that. I would love to go back to iOS 14 (even just temporarily) on my iPhone 12 Pro Max, just to see how it performs

 

[B/D]

15.5 is borked with the poor cell coverage and dropped calls issue. Its fixed on 15.6 beta 1 because that brings a modem update which fix the issue (carrier version stays the same).

The vast majority of the users (myself included), dont use betas, and this problem affects a core functionality of the system. Its serious enough to be assigned high priority and be solved ASAP. I predict a 15.5.1 very soon.

 

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

Apple should be sued for this policy. You pay full price for something, you should be able to do whatever you want with it. It's like buying a Toyota or BMW and them telling you that you cannot put a different radio in it. This was especially punishing when 32 bit app support was dropped. I probably lost 25-30 apps just from Apple's stupid policy.

 

[strongy]

Apple should be sued for this policy. You pay full price for something, you should be able to do whatever you want with it. It's like buying a Toyota or BMW and them telling you that you cannot put a different radio in it. This was especially punishing when 32 bit app support was dropped. I probably lost 25-30 apps just from Apple's stupid policy.

You didn’t own their OS you just have a license to use it on the hardware ?

 

[jav6454]

Part of Snow leopard being an improvement release was that releases only came every few years, rather than having a new major release annually.

This meant a much larger pressure to have a feature launch in the release, because otherwise you'd go six years with basically no significant user-visible changes to your corner of the OS. You often couldn't get away without making changes, because you would be expected to tie into the (sometimes quite huge) flagpole OS changes.

Now developer-impacting features are meant to launch once a year and additions and non-developer impacting features can launch in just about any release. There's no need for a snow leopard release. There's need for culturally having teams prioritize the time investment into making their own projects more efficient and to burn down their feedback queue.

Also, keep in mind the real reason behind Snow Leopard - they had cannibalized the Mac OS X team for years to build iPhoneOS. They had surprised teams 1.5 releases prior with an architectural shift when they were only targeting PPC without a clue how their apps (or core OS API) worked on the secret intel port. It wasn't just gradual technical debt.

I agree with the OS changes part given how often Apple releases X.1.0 OS updates. On the debt they incurred regarding Leopard, I find it debatable as Leopard was released a behind schedule but with praise. But something like this for iPhone would still merit investment in R&D.

 

[jav6454]

Snow Leopard for the Mac was a great opportunity as Apple made it "Intel only", so ditch PPC-support, and with that try to clean-up the OS.
I would imaging Apple had the similar type of opportunity when iOS 11 was introduced, being 64 bit only.

I can understand that introducing a "clean-up iOS" means stopping introducing new features for about a year. I am not sure Apple can afford to do that when it's in this rate race with their competitors.

Snow Leopard added features, but the features were mainly under-the-hood ones. For instance, a good example of under-the-hood was Grand Central Dispatch leveraging GPGPU computing.

 

[Jerry Fritschle]

Apple should be sued for this policy. You pay full price for something, you should be able to do whatever you want with it. It's like buying a Toyota or BMW and them telling you that you cannot put a different radio in it. This was especially punishing when 32 bit app support was dropped. I probably lost 25-30 apps just from Apple's stupid policy.

Regarding the 32-bit question, to be fair, Apple had been warning of this for quite a few years. Developers were given plenty of notice to make the transition. Those that didn't had abandoned the product, gone out of business or (in one particular case of mine) left this mortal coil.

My "museum" of old favorites now resides on a Mojave VM. I sometimes use them, for reasons more sentimental than necessary.

 

[fourthtunz]

Forcing to upgrade?

How did they force you to upgrade? Turn off auto-updates and it won’t do that (hey, I’ve got it turned on and even so, I haven’t been prompted for 15.5).

Sure, eventually those older systems are incompatible, but they’re not forcing anyone to upgrade that I’m aware of.

Well they won't let you downgrade so I understand what he's saying.
I've never understood this policy. I suppose it makes Apple more money
by some people upgrading their phone or mac, whichever the problem is?

 

[Fat_Guy]

Well they won't let you downgrade so I understand what he's saying.
I've never understood this policy. I suppose it makes Apple more money
by some people upgrading their phone or mac, whichever the problem is?

The thing is if you have an older phone and upgrade and the phone lags cause it’s old you won’t be able to downgrade back to a better OS for your old phone. So you are forced to upgrade the phone. I suppose you will just have to turn off auto updates and see if others with your phone lag with the new OS before upgrading - sucks to be the “others”.


Question: Did Apple give a heads up on when they were going to stop signing the old OS, or did they just stop signing and tell us after the fact?

 

[MrDerby01]

Only if Google would take a more serious approach and stopped signing anything after Android 11. Think of the headway they could make..

 

[SFjohn]

Why is this an article, and why do people post messages to it? It’s always business as usual at Apple and in no way is it news worthy.

 

[GtrDude]

Are you sure you’re not accidentally toggling a Focus Mode on, or that you have scheduled one to repeat every day?

I'm definitely not using any of the Modes in the daytime.
I have scheduled Sleep Mode to come on at 10 pm and go off at 6 am but I'm not getting any messages 24/7

 

[killernos]

apple does force you to update I was on 15.1.1 I got my Apple Watch Series 7 way after I got my 12 pro max, in order for me to pair my watch to my phone I was forced to update or I couldn’t pair it, as far as them updating my phone on their end no they won’t force you but if you get a new apple device you might be forced to update to be able to pair, this is just my personal experience, honestly I feel like apple shouldn’t make you update to pair a device but what can we do honestly.

 

[SFjohn]

apple does force you to update I was on 15.1.1 I got my Apple Watch Series 7 way after I got my 12 pro max, in order for me to pair my watch to my phone I was forced to update or I couldn’t pair it, as far as them updating my phone on their end no they won’t force you but if you get a new apple device you might be forced to update to be able to pair, this is just my personal experience, honestly I feel like apple shouldn’t make you update to pair a device but what can we do honestly.

Getting that new Apple Watch was your choice & when you became aware that your iPhone needed a software update to work with it you could have returned the Watch. You did not, you chose to purchase a new Apple Watch and you chose to upgrade your software. Apple didn’t force you to do either of these things.