Apple Stops Signing iOS 16.3.1 to Prevent Downgrading

[FeliApple]

Not to be pedantic but I am able to use my iPad 2. Hence it is usable. Maybe not likeable useable, but useable.

I have to admit this sounds very funny to me.

Where you are using the word “I” in the last paragraph above you are referring to feliapple. Because stop trolling me and putting word in my mouth: let me be clear: my Xs max and iPad do not exhibit whatever slowdown, performance degradation, battery life you speak of. There is no, little, within statistical normalities, impact to my devices which includes my new battery max and my iPad. There is nothing wrong with the option of getting more functionality for less battery life eg watching YouTube PIP while surfing the web. Which you can’t do on iOS 12. I can have more fun on my phone per watt hour of battery.

You are saying it again. I did not put words in your mouth. “But ios 16 for all of the features is unexpectedly good“
“There is nothing wrong with the option of getting more functionality for less battery life”



Like I have long stated, there is indeed nothing wrong with you trading functionality, features, and security for battery life. But that trade-off exists.

“I can have more fun on my phone per watt hour of battery.” True, but, like you said, you’re buying that with runtime. Which has been my whole point from the beginning.

 

[FeliApple]

Just put the guy on ignore and move on with your life. Nothing you say will make any difference to anything he says or does.

Why? He wasn’t disrespectful or insulting, ever. As long as that doesn’t happen, I won’t do that.

The difference in our stance is probably impossible to eliminate, but this is just an exchange of ideas, nothing wrong with that.

 

[I7guy]

I have to admit this sounds very funny to me.

You are saying it again. I did not put words in your mouth. “But ios 16 for all of the features is unexpectedly good“

I’m countering your own comments about ios 16. The words you are putting in my mouth is when you say “there is degradation (whatever that means) on ios 16 and you don’t know it”.

“There is nothing wrong with the option of getting more functionality for less battery life”

Correct. Degradation refers to doing the same task and getting less battery life. For example. An Xs max on ios 12 and and xm max on ios 16 both with new batteries running an x hour test; ya know what you see on YouTube….and iOS 12 has 2 hours more battery life. That’s what I would call degradation. But if that were not the case and ios 12 vs ios 16 came in more or less even; then BOOM, no degradation. But in ios 16 if you are watching YouTube PIP and surfing and more battery life is used than ios 12 because iOS 12 cannot do that…that is acceptable. Trading battery life for more functionality is acceptable. Doing more with your phone while at eating at the battery is what it’s all about. Not putting your phone in a time warp.

Like I have long stated, there is indeed nothing wrong with you trading functionality, features, and security for battery life. But that trade-off exists.

I’ve said it along. My definition of “degradation” is above.

“I can have more fun on my phone per watt hour of battery.” True, but, like you said, you’re buying that with runtime. Which has been my whole point from the beginning.

That’s not “degradation” my definition is above. This is trading battery life for features. Features which you don’t have to use.

 

[FeliApple]

I’m countering your own comments about ios 16. The words you are putting in my mouth is when you say “there is degradation (whatever that means) on ios 16 and you don’t know it”.

I’m not putting words in your mouth, I say this about everyone who denies battery life being worse on new iOS versions.

Correct. Degradation refers to doing the same task and getting less battery life. For example. An Xs max on ios 12 and and xm max on ios 16 both with new batteries running an x hour test; ya know what you see on YouTube….and iOS 12 has 2 hours more battery life. That’s what I would call degradation. But if that were not the case and ios 12 vs ios 16 came in more or less even; then BOOM, no degradation. But in ios 16 if you are watching YouTube PIP and surfing and more battery life is used than ios 12 because iOS 12 cannot do that…that is acceptable. Trading battery life for more functionality is acceptable. Doing more with your phone while at eating at the battery is what it’s all about. Not putting your phone in a time warp.

Agreed on the functionality aspect, and on your acceptance of it. However, it applies to iOS updates and t cannot be solved through settings. I’d be the first person to praise that if it were the case.

With any person’s own usage, battery life on iOS 16 will be worse than on iOS 12 for the Xs Max, the Xʀ, the X, whatever iPhone you like. Same usage = worse battery life if updated. Is that trade-off worth it for features and functionality? Well, this is subjective and there’s no right or wrong answer.

I’ve said it along. My definition of “degradation” is above.

That’s not “degradation” my definition is above. This is trading battery life for features. Features which you don’t have to use.

Battery life with every modifiable setting off on an updated device is worse than battery life with every modifiable setting off on an original iOS version.

Can battery life be improved through toggling new settings on iOS 16? Yes, possibly, compared to itself with those settings on. Can you match the original iOS version through settings? No.

 

[I7guy]

I’m not putting words in your mouth, I say this about everyone who denies battery life being worse on new iOS versions.

And I say that about everyone who denies that battery life on later iOS versions can be equivalent on iPhones x and above to the original versions. Two posters having different views. In fact I posted a YouTube video with a fake test supporting my position. I doubt you reviewed it.

Agreed on the functionality aspect, and on your acceptance of it. However, it applies to iOS updates and t cannot be solved through settings. I’d be the first person to praise that if it were the case.

Yes it can. For example PIP. Not sure why anyone would want to do that but okay.

With any person’s own usage, battery life on iOS 16 will be worse than on iOS 12 for the Xs Max, the Xʀ, the X, whatever iPhone you like.

With any persons usage battery life on the iPhone X and above is equivalent on later iOS versions to earlier iOS versions within statistical normal margin of errors.

Same usage = worse battery life if updated. Is that trade-off worth it for features and functionality? Well, this is subjective and there’s no right or wrong answer.

Correct on the no right or wrong answer. Same usage = same battery life.

Battery life with every modifiable setting off on an updated device is worse than battery life with every modifiable setting off on an original iOS version.

Incorrect.

Can battery life be improved through toggling new settings on iOS 16? Yes, possibly, compared to itself with those settings on. Can you match the original iOS version through settings? No.

Yes, you can match the original battery life and I posted a video and gave my own anecdotal evidence. That should be enough for drawing a factual conclusion I mean that’s how the internet seems to teach people. Think we’ve reached a logical breakpoint here.

 

[FeliApple]

And I say that about everyone who denies that battery life on later iOS versions can be equivalent on iPhones x and above to the original versions. Two posters having different views. In fact I posted a YouTube video with a fake test supporting my position. I doubt you reviewed it.

I did review it. The video compared the battery life of multiple iPhones on iOS 16. It had nothing to do with iOS updates on one specific iPhone.

Yes it can. For example PIP. Not sure why anyone would want to do that but okay.

You can stop using a feature. Not sure how that relates to what I said.

With any persons usage battery life on the iPhone X and above is equivalent on later iOS versions to earlier iOS versions within statistical normal margin of errors.

Correct on the no right or wrong answer. Same usage = same battery life.

Incorrect.

Yes, you can match the original battery life and I posted a video and gave my own anecdotal evidence. That should be enough for drawing a factual conclusion I mean that’s how the internet seems to teach people. Think we’ve reached a logical breakpoint here.

All of this has been discussed. I think we’ve reached middle ground on many surrounding aspects of this issue. Unless Apple changes their approach, I don’t think we will ever agree on the main aspect of this discussion. Like I said: it has been interesting.

 

[I7guy]

I did review it. The video compared the battery life of multiple iPhones on iOS 16. It had nothing to do with iOS updates on one specific iPhone.

You can stop using a feature. Not sure how that relates to what I said.

All of this has been discussed. I think we’ve reached middle ground on many surrounding aspects of this issue. Unless Apple changes their approach, I don’t think we will ever agree on the main aspect of this discussion. Like I said: it has been interesting.

Yes, dozens of posts and at the core it it all boils down to the belief that there is unexplained battery life loss, or not ,on future iOS versions from the iPhone X and beyond. This can’t be proved or disapproved factually. Extrapolation through anecdotal evidence, sure. And anecdotal evidence is why each of us has our views.