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Apple Stops Supporting Windows 7 in Boot Camp on New MacBook Pro, MacBook Air Models
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I have used DOS since the 80's. Then on to Win 8 and 8.1 They are the best reason to buy a Mac. The loss of support for win 7 means I do not have a stable platform within the Mac to run my copy of PS4 or CC4 as they call it.
However Adobe has decided that CC6 which is what I am going to have to buy will only run on an i7. That makes the choice of MacBook pro a problem. It was to be a 13" . The lower end 15" does not have Retina screen is only 256Gb . Which means that what was a reasonable cost for the top 13" i5 with 512gb and Retina supporting a second screen at 3840 by 2160 now has to be $1000 costlier for the top 15" which defeats the purpose of a small laptop. I have to wonder at apple and Microsoft. MacBook Air does not appear practical.
I have used DOS since the 80's. Then on to Win 8 and 8.1 They are the best reason to buy a Mac. The loss of support for win 7 means I do not have a stable platform within the Mac to run my copy of PS4 or CC4 as they call it.
However Adobe has decided that CC6 which is what I am going to have to buy will only run on an i7. That makes the choice of MacBook pro a problem. It was to be a 13" . The lower end 15" does not have Retina screen is only 256Gb . Which means that what was a reasonable cost for the top 13" i5 with 512gb and Retina supporting a second screen at 3840 by 2160 now has to be $1000 costlier for the top 15" which defeats the purpose of a small laptop. I have to wonder at apple and Microsoft. MacBook Air does not appear practical.
sorry im not sure i get your post although the tone is not surprising. apple has gained from offering bootcamp. they are supporting the people that buy their machines which are many times more expensive than a windows license.
what is the relevance of ms being a direct competitor?
Boot what?
I've never used Boot Camp. Why would anyone considering there are far better alternatives like Parallels and Fusion out there?
I've never used Boot Camp. Why would anyone considering there are far better alternatives like Parallels and Fusion out there?
Did you even read people's responses? Many people explained why they use Boocamp instead of the other alternatives.
Run Windows 7 (if you must) as a virtual machine. Problem solved.
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If you need raw power, then Bootcamp is a better option than running Windows as a VM, however with the power of today's Macs bordering on insane, then there's only a tiny fraction of users who would need to run it natively.
I completely understand why Apple are no longer supporting Windows 7 though, it's an OS from 2009! Why should they?
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Even with something like USB this can be a reason to stick with a native install.
A few years back I had to download stuff for someone over a USB serial adaptor but, for some reason, it only ever worked perfectly in a native installation where as in a VM it causes problems.
And a few times I've had hardware which looks like multiple 'devices' but is timing based so again a native install was the way to go to avoid problems.
I'm tempted to say: because they don't care about large-scale professional use of their OS X products since the already make s***loads of money with their iOS products (which DO have remarkable cross-platform capabilities, BTW).
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Well, I guess that's what you and me (and thousands of others) hope... But how can we be sure that Apple won't cripple our "legacy" Macs?
understanding EULAs
There is widespread misunderstanding of EULAs as evidenced by people's posts here. You must understand the following (all written in response to people's angry misconceptions and miseducation):
These are all simple rules that adults in a civilized society should all follow but sometimes greed and selfishness just gets in the way. It's sad how angry people get when they're told they shouldn't steal.
#protips #understandTheEULA #readBeforeYouPost #followTheGoldenRule #doNotSteal
There is widespread misunderstanding of EULAs as evidenced by people's posts here. You must understand the following (all written in response to people's angry misconceptions and miseducation):
- If the license states Windows can only be installed on one computer then you can only *legally* install it on one computer. It's *not* okay just because you found a way around it and installed it on 5 computers. No one is arguing that you're not a genius hacker for finding loopholes.
- Piracy is piracy even if you go on here and say that it's okay because "Microsoft is ripping us off". If you don't like, don't buy it. Don't steal it because someone sets a price you don't like. Piracy hurts everyone.
- Don't say that no one is stealing software because a handful of people openly claim that they never did. People who commit crimes are unlikely to brag about it, and on the other side, people make invalid claims about doing good. It's a flawed "survey" and using it as proof only weakens your case and ruins your credibility.
- Just because "everyone is doing it" doesn't make it legalor right.
- If you didn't like Vista then it doesn't mean that stealing Windows 7 is right.
These are all simple rules that adults in a civilized society should all follow but sometimes greed and selfishness just gets in the way. It's sad how angry people get when they're told they shouldn't steal.
#protips #understandTheEULA #readBeforeYouPost #followTheGoldenRule #doNotSteal
Virtualization
No BootCamp support?
Don't want to pay for a commercial VM?
Run Oracle (Formally Sun) VirtualBox https://www.virtualbox.org
Works great! Can use host peripherals and ports (with extensions pack). Turn off App Nap for better performance.
No BootCamp support?
Don't want to pay for a commercial VM?
Run Oracle (Formally Sun) VirtualBox https://www.virtualbox.org
Works great! Can use host peripherals and ports (with extensions pack). Turn off App Nap for better performance.
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While I'm not a fan of VirtualBox it is in fact free as you mentioned, but as I said earlier, free isn't always good and VirtualBox certainly has proven that.
Ha, interesting. Mac OS X Tiger and Windows Vista. The best and the worst.
Depends on what you are trying to run on VirtualBox. VBox is not meant for running CPU/GPU intensive games, but it is certainly adequate for running productivity apps or the infrequent use for a Windows only app. Not to mention the convenience of running Mac OS X and several VMs simultaneously, and quickly flip between them. But that's just me.
I really doubt that CC6 requires an i7. That would destroy their potential user base. They might recommend it, but I see no reason an i5 (4 cores, no hyperthreading) couldn't handle what an i7 could (4 cores, hyperthreading).
No to mention that in the mobile world an i5 has only 2 cores.
Last time I checked (a year ago) VirtualBox doesn't allow Drag n Drop between the Mac desktop and Windows virtualization. Has that changed?
1. Because (and face it), Windows 7 is not legacy. It's supported by Microsoft until 2020.
2. Because Windows 7 has a larger market share than Windows 8.1, Windows 8 and Windows XP combined.
3. Because MS is a software vendor and Apple is a hardware vendor.
4. Because now 55% of all Windows users cannot by a Mac knowing they can also run their preferred OS. It hurts Apple.
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More convenient - no reboot required.
Better integrated or more isolated dependent on which you need.
Better/easier disaster recovery with snapshots.
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It's not as fast as Parallels or VMWare but in what world is it not good?
Think about what it allows you to do, its extremely useful software.
Just because you can't use Apple Bootcamp software doesn't mean you still can't run Windows 7 as the main OS. You just don't get all the fancy Apple drivers for the newest fancy Apple gadgets. You are in to "self support" land. Finding drivers for the equivalent generic PC hardware. The up (and down) side of Apple still using hardware sourced from other vendors (even if it is all soldered in place) is that you can, with some looking, find the drivers you need.
Although I will say this, with the way the Windows 10 preview is looking, staying on Windows 7 has even less excuse than people who were holding out on WinXP, or Win98 when WinXP was released. The only excuse being "I'm a Luddite and can't be bothered to lean a thing that's slightly different." Win8.1 cleared most of the "issues" of Win8 for Desktops, and Win10 is very clearly building from there.
There may be some edge cases of software that is so old it barely runs in Win7 as it stands, but edge cases are why Virtual Machines were developed.
Although I will say this, with the way the Windows 10 preview is looking, staying on Windows 7 has even less excuse than people who were holding out on WinXP, or Win98 when WinXP was released. The only excuse being "I'm a Luddite and can't be bothered to lean a thing that's slightly different." Win8.1 cleared most of the "issues" of Win8 for Desktops, and Win10 is very clearly building from there.
There may be some edge cases of software that is so old it barely runs in Win7 as it stands, but edge cases are why Virtual Machines were developed.
I would argue many businesses and consumers continue to use Windows 7, not because they're too lazy to upgrade, but because they find it's a far better operating system than Windows 8.
According to this October 2014 article, Windows 7 is more popular than ever:
I upgraded to 8.1 pro when I purchased a new laptop a few months ago. I had no problem adjusting to the UI (although I definitely prefer 7's better), but I had to downgrade to 7 due to 8's buggy behavior and instability. Windows 7 is rock solid and the best Microsoft OS since XP.
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I'm pretty much forced to use windows 7 on my 2006 Macbook (1.83GHz) as Snow Leopard (highest osx ver it can run) is no longer supported with security updates,while Windows 7 is.