Theft was charging people for Windows 7 in the first place, which was really just a much needed service pack to fix the vile beast that was Vista, but I digress.
If you stole Windows 7 and paid for Vista, I think your karma is fine.
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Apple Stops Supporting Windows 7 in Boot Camp on New MacBook Pro, MacBook Air Models
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Theft was charging people for Windows 7 in the first place, which was really just a much needed service pack to fix the vile beast that was Vista, but I digress.
If you stole Windows 7 and paid for Vista, I think your karma is fine.
Oh, did Apple put out a statement saying, "We are no longer supporting Windows running on Macs, PERIOD!"? Uh, I don't think so. Your post certainly suggests so.
I just love your last line. Why don't YOU tell large corporations to start supporting Mac OS X then maybe Apple will start "thinking differently" about corporate entities.
It can be done. You do not even need bootcamp to install windows. Bootcamp truly came form apple after hackintoshers used other means. Bootcamp just gives driver support. My bet is the new trackpad will be unsupported, but windows will support a regular mouse. Just install and then upgrade.
The other option you could take would be to download the Win10 upgrade and burn to to a flash drive, then use that in boot camp. Though MS is using software update for installs, so not sure if the file is there to burn.
Sometimes a necessity - not everything works or runs satisfactorily inside a VM.
I agree. And MS shouldn't for the same reason should not have a Mac version of the office, right?
Regardless, windows is still the dominant desktop OS out there and most (> 80%) of companies worldwide use the OS and the desktop suite.
I've used fusion for years because of two defacto standard apps in the corporate world: Visio and project.
We don't live on a single OS world....not even Apple.
I'm Windows free since 2005 (Apple user since 1990, but I need a Windows computer until 2005).
Proud of it.
Yep, it's just apple being cheap and not verifying the same drivers to work in Windows 7. The impact is limited, though, as in a few months Windows 10 will be free for Windows 7 users.
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I felt that Windows 8 UI was awful. Windows 8.1, though, fixed all my problems with it. In 8.1, you can make your own start screen, so in 10 minutes of set up, I had all the buttons I was missing from the old start menu. Also, right clicking on the start button brings up a menu to do all system functions, like shutdown/sleep.
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It's not as good as virtualbox/parallels, but it runs MS Office just fine. The only thing I really miss is retina support.
I think you've been told by plenty others, but I just want to chime in. I'm using legal copies of Windows on my Macs. (Just Windows 7 Pro Home, or something, not the silly overpriced one)
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Not really. When you consider that all you're losing is the size of the OS install, it's not so bad. You make it sound like you're losing capacity when all you're doing is allocating it for use elsewhere.
I use bootcamp because I want/need the full power of my computer.
I don't find a need to go beyond Windows 7 on my business PC. I have not looked at Win 10 yet. Will have to check that out.
I would jump to Windows 10 in a heartbeat. It would be nice for Apple to support Win7 until Win10 is in production release, though. No way I will buy or load Win8 or 8.1.
Classic Shell? What's that?
8.0 was absolutely abominable. 8.1 fix some, but not nearly all of the hideous interface glitches, bugs, and just plane stupid GUI choices for me.
Seriously what's Classic Shell? I've not heard of it before. Is it a setting in Win8 or an add on?
Yeah, that's what they told me when I asked. Certainly understandable that the FDA would keep a close eye on them.
I really don't understand all the bellyaching about Windows 8.1. Just set your computer to boot straight to the desktop and you're good to go. It's much more memory efficient than Windows 7, boots quicker, and isn't that much different if you stick to the desktop.
And it's all going to be moot in a few months anyways when Windows 10 comes out.
Before anybody brings this up, I'm not talking about enterprise machines- I'm talking about consumer machines.
And it's all going to be moot in a few months anyways when Windows 10 comes out.
Before anybody brings this up, I'm not talking about enterprise machines- I'm talking about consumer machines.
I just love your last line. Why don't YOU tell large corporations to start supporting Mac OS X then maybe Apple will start "thinking differently" about corporate entities.
Because MS's offerings are infinitely better for a managed work environment. I love Macs but they're just horrible in an enterprise environment, and Apple has done pretty much nothing to make them more enterprise friendly. Instead, they've announced plans to make iOS more enterprise friendly while basically ignoring their enterprise Mac customers.
Even if Apple would just make a first-party plug-in for MS Group Policy and fix the smb connection issues (yes, they still exist over a year later) there would be a huge difference in usability from a corporate standpoint.
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Agreed. Even in W7, I would just click Start and then type the app I needed. I do the exact same thing in W8. W7 seems archaic to me at this point. I have yet to use W10, but it looks like an even further improvement over 8.1.
As you've heard, the sitch is otherwise....
Hmmmz, i did not know there was a newMacbook Air announced? Did i miss something?
Bit late to the party you are. Not that the upgrades are huge. So I see this move making sense for the new one-port-rules-them-all MB with a new kind of trackpad, etc., but dunno why the current Airs had any reason to drop Win 7.... ...which I have running in BC on Yosemite ('13 MBA)...???
It's certainly not Apple's job to do so, so nobody can complain about that--but I'd hardly call Windows 7 "legacy." Sure, it's been superseded by Windows 8.x, but Microsoft is supporting it until at least 2020. Maybe Windows XP is "legacy."
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The upgrade will actually be free for Windows 7 and 8.1*, but only for the first year. Pricing--or even what kind of licenses they'll offer--after that has not yet been announced.
*I think you need at least Windows 7 to upgrade to Windows 10 in the first place, so this is effectively free for all licensed non-enterprise users.
As I understand it, this does NOT mean that if you get the free upgrade that this copy of Win 10 will quit working in a year on the machine you upgraded. More like a year's grace period to get on the Win 10 stick.
Pirates specifically included on the upgrade path, btw...!! ...So a carrot and stick approach to try and break out of Legacy Valley and the Win 8 Box canyon run that a few hundred million went on...
...That said they'll have more success with the 8.x people who give up nothing but trouble and get more, and more foot-dragging - especially from Enterprise in pulling people off Win 7.
But everyone on Vista and XP - and IE - will finally be on their own. I'm sure Win programmers have OS X envy when it comes to legacy support and are praying Nadella makes this stick.
Win 10, btw, is slated to have a different "upgrade" mechanism going forward - more of a perpetual "updating" path where not only bug fixes but new and upgraded features, etc. will be delivered over time, i.e., there shouldn't be any talk of a Win 11 for some years.
So a little more like the Mac model.
There's another explanation that makes more sense to me: MS realized that Google searches for Windows 9 would inevitably bring up billions of legacy links to Windows 95 and 98 forever, creating a search mess for users.
Bootcamp on my 2013 Air is running 7. So I expect that just changing to 10.11 this fall won't make it quit working.....??
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It's actually a very smart move. Windows 7 (aka Windows Vista fixed and re-branded because the initial Vista release was such an unmitigated disaster) is the last good PC/laptop operating system Microsoft produced. Microsoft is aiming to do the same thing with Windows 10. Windows 10 is just Microsoft's attempt to fix Windows 8 by restoring the Start Menu and rebrand it since Windows 8 was such a disaster. By dropping support for Windows 7 Apple is forcing consumers who want to run Windows to face the fact that it blows in its present form. Microsoft hopes that Windows 10 does for Windows 8 what Windows 7 did for Vista but there is no guarantee. That's good business for Apple. Apple would like it's users not to install Windows in the first place. Dropping support for 7 helps in that regard because Windows 8 blows and highlights how much better OS X is than Windows.
I've not used Classic Shell but it's a free program like Start Menu 8 that replicates the Start Menu from previous versions of Windows on Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012 to make it a usable OS on non-touchscreen systems.
http://www.iobit.com/iobitstartmenu8.php
This is hilarious. A handful of people are posting claims that they're using "legal" copies of Windows (I put that in quotes because some are saying it's fine to make copies on multiple machines as long as they own the computers). And then they claim that no one is doing it illegally since no one is coming out and saying that they're copying software.
LOL!!!
That's like the IRS asking a room full of people if they've ever cheated on taxes. Then two people say they haven't and then the IRS concludes that no one has ever cheated on taxes. Nice logic there. Obviously the cheaters aren't going to admit it so your vote count there will be zero. A child could explain that to you.
LOL!!!
That's like the IRS asking a room full of people if they've ever cheated on taxes. Then two people say they haven't and then the IRS concludes that no one has ever cheated on taxes. Nice logic there. Obviously the cheaters aren't going to admit it so your vote count there will be zero. A child could explain that to you.
You would be wrong, not everyone is a thief.
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Because it's a dick move? 7 is NOT a legacy OS, there's not enough difference between it an 8 to make it mandatory to use a newer version. As far as why should they support it? Because they charge a premium for their computers, not supporting an OS that's perfectly capable and runs extremely well on their hardware is unjustifiable. It's okay that you're fine with Apple trying to dictate what you can do with their hardware unnecessarily but there's literally no justifiable reason to force this. None.
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Not the least bit true. Windows 10 will be 100% free to anyone that wants it for the first year after it is released. How is that not a free release again?
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At the price they sell their hardware they shouldn't make dick moves like this. 7 is not legacy software and the changes from 7 to 8 aren't large or important enough to call it legacy. Most of the changes are to the UI, nothing is broken by supporting the older OS. There's literally no justifiable reason for this. None.
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Justifiable, XP IS legacy software.
If you buy an upgrade disk for WIndows 7 you can upgrade to WIndows 10 for free. You still pay, but the difference is well worth the money, and you can easily do a clean install of 7 with a simple registry tweak that takes less than 20 seconds.
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They never update drivers anyway, their support is piss poor. On top of that they make it a HUGE hassle to upgrade the video drivers when they never should have done so. There's no real reason to restrict the ability for the end user to be able to upgrade video drivers without jumping through a ton of hoops. It is idiotic how difficult it is to upgrade the video drivers on a "Pro" machine because Apple is too lazy to update them periodically or to just allow the end user to do so on their own.
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What almost the entire world relys on to use a computer? Apple is insignificant to the computing world in user base.
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Windows 7 works perfectly fine with EFI and has since the day it was released. There's nothing "legacy" about the OS at all.
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Yep. I'm not spending a few grand on a laptop and then spending another $100 to buy a license for an OS I don't want or need. There's no reason 7 can't be supported. None. That will block a sale of a new Mac for me because one of the primary reasons I own one is because it can dual boot easily. Taking away Windows 7 support is a lost sale because there's no reason to do this that is justifiable.
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Both of those are irrelevant. You can buy thousands of copies (retail boxes) on many, many websites. Their support of the OS as their primary objective not being there is irrelevant too, millions of people didn't just stop using 7 and upgrade to 8. It's still a widely used and very good OS and calling it legacy is incorrect, it's still a very, very good and modern OS. A fancy UI and an app store does not make an OS modern.
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Never owned a windows machine that had as many problems with wifi as my 2012 retina. Really highlights how much better OS X is.... Windows 8 has usability issues, some of which I hate , though the damn thing is stable.
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Well it requires resoucing from thier end to support, and Apple does not even support its own OS versions for as long as Microsoft does. Apple pushes it's own users to the latest, a way of selling hardware, so why would they support legacy windows OS. Not surprised to be honest
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This decision doesn't affect me because I stopped using W7 since W8 came out, but it's still a bad decision IMO. There are many users who still use and like W7.
And I agree with the other posters who like W8. It's faster, more stable, and more secure than W7. I use the classic shell add on so I won't have to go to the Metro interface when I first boot. Though I don't mind the Metro UI.
Will definitely upgrade all my Windows machines to W10 when it comes out.
And I agree with the other posters who like W8. It's faster, more stable, and more secure than W7. I use the classic shell add on so I won't have to go to the Metro interface when I first boot. Though I don't mind the Metro UI.
Will definitely upgrade all my Windows machines to W10 when it comes out.
Oh, did Apple put out a statement saying, "We are no longer supporting Windows running on Macs, PERIOD!"? Uh, I don't think so. Your post certainly suggests so.
I just love your last line. Why don't YOU tell large corporations to start supporting Mac OS X then maybe Apple will start "thinking differently" about corporate entities.
You completely missed his point! Is it so hard to actually read his post and realise that big corporations run older versions of software due to security and cause they require a stable OS? You would have to be an utter moron to run a huge corp on the latest OS, with each release brining new bugs!
So, given apple drops support for windows 7 , do you think it would make it harder to use the new apple machines in a corp that requires machines that run windows 7? So hence apple shooting themselves in the foot!
Why don't YOU read what people write, unless it's knowledge that is holding you back, in which case it's okay to ask clarifications instead of personal attacks??
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Agree, not a fan of metro, the 8 is stable and has many improvements over 7
Most ranting on here have never tried windows 8.1, heck a lot have not used windows 7, though they like to pretend they are well informed In regards to current tech. Hence you get the comments you see ....