Apple Store in Dallas Robbed...Knox Street

[molala]

It's good that Apple and other big retailers have this policy, it's much easier for the employees not to have to second guess themselves and possibly put themselves in danger. Maybe the thieves were unarmed, but the policy exists for the worst case scenario. And the most important thing is that no one got hurt.

I don't like that the policy was made to avoid lawsuits as much as for customer and staff safety, but you do have to see the bigger picture here.

 

[jlc1978]

I don't think you guys get it. He wouldn't be able to get a shot off in the first place, so your comments are nothing but FUD.

How can you be sure? More to the point, how can you be sure he doesn't have an armed accomplice already in the store simply watching for trouble? You don't, and drawing a weapon just aggravates the situation. Of course, there's also the other person carrying who sees you pull a weapon, decides you're a bad guy, and shots you.

We may disagree on this, but unless there is a clear threat of injury, not just someone with a gun, I think it's irresponsible to try to stop a thief buy pulling a weapon.

I live in a place where you can carry; many stores have signs prohibiting the carrying of weapons on premise by employees or customers. My guess is they'd rather be robbed than have a shoot out in the store.

An armed person entering a store and through force taking thousands of dollars of equipment certainly warrants a CCW holder to draw.

Well, that wasn't the case in this situation. As to warranting drawing a weapon, once you do that you assume responsibility for what happens next. Someone other than you or the robber gets hurt should be able to sue you since you escalated the situation. Unless there is an immediate threat to your or someone else's life; the best action is to do nothing. It's frustrating, but it's better than injuring someone else.

More to the point, most people have no idea how hard it is to hit a target when under stress and trying to make split second decisions on whether it's safe to shot; let alone actually hit something under those circumstances. You may; but I have friends who carry whom I wouldn't want to have pull a weapon anywhere near me.

 

[snberk103]

I don't think you guys get it. He wouldn't be able to get a shot off in the first place, so your comments are nothing but FUD.
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An armed person entering a store and through force taking thousands of dollars of equipment certainly warrants a CCW holder to draw.

Of course there are two more scenarios, as well. What if there had been an off-duty cop in the store with a gun. A) He/she has an obstructed view of the robbery, but they see you pull your gun. They are going to ignore the theft in progress until the threat to their safety is neutralized. Hopefully peacefully and not by shooting you. By pulling your gun you've just let the robbers get away. B) The cop pulls their weapon to stop a crime in progress, but you don't realize they're a cop, so you try to apprehend them. Hopefully you don't shoot them. You've just helped the robbers get away.

 

[tflournoy95]

or you could drop the subject because just about nobody is still arguing over guns and robberies and shooting people any more

 

[snberk103]

I guess they were trying to beat this record in daylight. Watch the vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Wj2-3BrNg

Too bad they couldn't. lol.

or you could drop the subject because just about nobody is still arguing over guns and robberies and shooting people any more

Fair Enough. Sorry.

That video (link above) was absolutely over-the-top with their "exclusive footage" etc etc. Too bad they got their facts wrong. Did anyone else catch the blooper, made twice I think?

 

[SoGood]

The funny part is I have my CHL. I was not carrying at the time... It happened way to fast. They were out of the store in seconds. Once it did happen I just want to check on my family. It did make me see just how fast a situation can change, but there is no way any item is worth a life.

If one can't react fast enough, that kind of defeats the purpose of gun ownership... Except for duck hunts and target practices. No?

 

[tflournoy95]

If one can't react fast enough, that kind of defeats the purpose of gun ownership... Except for duck hunts and target practices. No?

if the crimianls had a gun wouldnt it have been more likely to have a standoff type situation? so then that guy would have had plenty of time to react. but it would be pretty stupid for one armed man to take on more than one armed man, wouldnt it? a handgun is more for like 1 to 2 assailants. any more than that and im not doin anything without an AR or someone else helping me

 

[chris2k5]

I don't know if Apple has this but, why not just put GPS trackers in each of the laptops and just give the police the coordinates of the thieves?

Problem solved. The laptops and computers on display should have them concealed in the laptop.

 

[res1233]

By just...running away? Seriously, if there's no one at the door to stop them, well, there they go. Maybe this store didn't have guards, or their attention was elsewhere at the time. But police won't show up for at least several minutes (on a good day); plenty of time to get to a waiting car and disappear into midday traffic.



Really? Crime happens anytime, anywhere. Doesn't matter what neighborhood you live in, or how safe you think it is. We just had an armed jewelry heist in downtown Ann Arbor, which is considered very safe by most standards. No one was injured, but it occurred in the middle of the day, on Main Street, which in this city is extremely busy and has high foot & vehicle traffic. At least 5 suspects, 2 are still at large.

http://www.annarbor.com/news/four-m...investigation-continues-ann-arbor-police-say/

Point being, don't get complacent - pay attention to what's going on around you, and be safe.

Exactly, and there's something to be said for the ability to get lost in the crowd. During the day is the only time you can pull that feat off

I don't know if Apple has this but, why not just put GPS trackers in each of the laptops and just give the police the coordinates of the thieves?

Problem solved. The laptops and computers on display should have them concealed in the laptop.

What would be even simpler is if they just simply passworded all the computers, keep the batteries out of the computers, then if they're stolen, the computers would lose their energy, and then on boot-up, they would have to input a password, and they would be ****ed

 

[tflournoy95]

Exactly, and there's something to be said for the ability to get lost in the crowd. During the day is the only time you can pull that feat off




What would be even simpler is if they just simply passworded all the computers, keep the batteries out of the computers, then if they're stolen, the computers would lose their energy, and then on boot-up, they would have to input a password, and they would be ****ed

or they could swap they hard drive, or just reinstall the os.

what apple should do is hook them up to security cables. sure its ugly but if it gets the job done...

lol or put a taser in the bezel and when they opened them up they would get tased.

 

[snberk103]

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what apple should do is hook them up to security cables. sure its ugly but if it gets the job done...

lol or put a taser in the bezel and when they opened them up they would get tased.

Actually, I heard that Apple is working on a time machine. It doesn't have much power, just about 17 minutes, but it's enough to give the store enough time to call the cops and have them there just as the robbery happens.

Although, since it's supposed to be a top secret the store has to time it carefully. They need to call the cops as if the crime just happened, and have the cops arrive seconds after the first item is being heisted. If the police get there to early, and there is no crime (thieves scared off) there would be some 'splaining to do.

My friend Robert Colbert (a journalist) found the document in an elevator, when Apple toured the press through the supposed 'antennae testing' complex. The proof is the $46 billion dollars. Who needs that much cash in the bank? You pay the investors a dividend, buy a company, invest it in property etc. What Apple has done is ploughed most of it into a Time Tunnel (with the US Govt). To keep it a secret the Govt has authorized Apple to fudge their books to hide the massive investment.

I swear this is true, or my name isn't Dr Raymond Swain.

 

[tflournoy95]

Actually, I heard that Apple is working on a time machine. It doesn't have much power, just about 17 minutes, but it's enough to give the store enough time to call the cops and have them there just as the robbery happens.

Although, since it's supposed to be a top secret the store has to time it carefully. They need to call the cops as if the crime just happened, and have the cops arrive seconds after the first item is being heisted. If the police get there to early, and there is no crime (thieves scared off) there would be some 'splaining to do.

My friend Robert Colbert (a journalist) found the document in an elevator, when Apple toured the press through the supposed 'antennae testing' complex. The proof is the $46 billion dollars. Who needs that much cash in the bank? You pay the investors a dividend, buy a company, invest it in property etc. What Apple has done is ploughed most of it into a Time Tunnel (with the US Govt). To keep it a secret the Govt has authorized Apple to fudge their books to hide the massive investment.

I swear this is true, or my name isn't Dr Raymond Swain.

hahaha i had to google the raymond swain and robert colbert reference, nice one. ive never heard of the time tunnel.

 

[snberk103]

hahaha i had to google the raymond swain and robert colbert reference, nice one. ive never heard of the time tunnel.

Thanks.... this thread was in danger of getting way too serious. I remember watching the Time Tunnel as a kid, so a few months ago I downloaded the whole series from iTunes and have been working my way through all 30 episodes. Today I watched the Walls of Jericho fall down. Ah yes, childhood, when you could learn history from badly produced Sci Fi

 

[tflournoy95]

Thanks.... this thread was in danger of getting way too serious. I remember watching the Time Tunnel as a kid, so a few months ago I downloaded the whole series from iTunes and have been working my way through all 30 episodes. Today I watched the Walls of Jericho fall down. Ah yes, childhood, when you could learn history from badly produced Sci Fi

was it really from itunes? anyway there was a series a few years ago called jericho, was it based off of the time tunnel? it had sort of a cold war, post apocalyptic feel to it.

 

[saint.duo]

its apple's policy to protect employees and customers. They have insurance for stuff like that (theft)

Is that an Apple Policy or a law?

 

[auditdirox]

At my store (Pasadena CA) the iphones have a sim tray that is not accessible by the average person. (No eject hole on the sim tray) So they could just track them over GPS....

 

[lostngone]

Sorry state of society.

I am sick of our society of victims.

To the group of people that say don't get involved, it is safer to do nothing.

Well guess what, the criminal know this and that is what makes people and these stores such great targets for criminals. They know no one is going to stop them and that they can walk in and out long before the police have a chance to respond.

If you want to play the victim that is fine just don't cry about it when you get raped, robbed or beaten.

I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

 

[snberk103]

I am sick of our society of victims.

To the group of people that say don't get involved, it is safer to do nothing.

Well guess what, the criminal know this and that is what makes people and these stores such great targets for criminals. They know no one is going to stop them and that they can walk in and out long before the police have a chance to respond.

If you want to play the victim that is fine just don't cry about it when you get raped, robbed or beaten.

I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

I think you may be confused as to the difference between theft of a minor amount of property, and a crime of violence against a person.

In the former the best course of action is to preserve the safety of persons by not interfering with the unauthorized removal of luxury goods. In the latter we hope that bystanders will intervene (if possible) to protect the safety of a person.

I mean, really, in the iPhone theft - it's just stuff. The police have a job, and I may be in the minority, but I think they actually know what they doing (usually). No one got hurt. Move along, there is nothing to see here.

 

[dizzy13]

This happen to me while at the Apple Store The Falls in Miami. 2 kids just playing on MacBooks and next thing you know they ripped them out of the security thing and ran out the door.

Just as in this case, no one did anything. They all just had WTF faces on.

What was funny though was this was right before the new MacBooks were coming out a couple years ago (they were to be put on display after close that night). So they ran off with too old plastic MacBooks.

 

[tflournoy95]

I am sick of our society of victims.

To the group of people that say don't get involved, it is safer to do nothing.

Well guess what, the criminal know this and that is what makes people and these stores such great targets for criminals. They know no one is going to stop them and that they can walk in and out long before the police have a chance to respond.

If you want to play the victim that is fine just don't cry about it when you get raped, robbed or beaten.

I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees.

this guy knows whats up. ^^^that is one of the wisest things i have ever heard.

perhaps if we started stopping the people who stole useless iphones, maybe they wouldnt come back later and try to rob a bank or something and actually maybe hurt somebody.

you think the people from the north hollywood shootout just up and decided to start robbing banks one day? no they most likely started out doing smaller stuff.

now thankfully only the criminals were killed in that whole ordeal, but it could have been much worse.

 

[lostngone]

I think you may be confused as to the difference between theft of a minor amount of property, and a crime of violence against a person.

In the former the best course of action is to preserve the safety of persons by not interfering with the unauthorized removal of luxury goods. In the latter we hope that bystanders will intervene (if possible) to protect the safety of a person.

I mean, really, in the iPhone theft - it's just stuff. The police have a job, and I may be in the minority, but I think they actually know what they doing (usually). No one got hurt. Move along, there is nothing to see here.

Do you think someone that is already breaking the law cares about you in the slightest? If they care so little about the law do you think it would bother them in the least if they shot you even if you were just standing there?

The problem is that is how it starts. Would you feel comfortable with someone kicking your door down at 3AM just to have them tell you they don't want to hurt you, they are only here for your stuff? After all it is only property right?

 

[tflournoy95]

Do you think someone that is already breaking the law cares about you in the slightest? If they care so little about the law do you think it would bother them in the least if they shot you even if you were just standing there?

The problem is that is how it starts. Would you feel comfortable with someone kicking your door down at 3AM just to have them tell you they don't want to hurt you, they are only here for your stuff? After all it is only property right?

shoot, somebody breaks into my house at 3 in the morning they better start running as soon as they hear me pull back the slide on the glock. cuz if they dont, they aint makin it out of my house

 

[snberk103]

Do you think someone that is already breaking the law cares about you in the slightest? If they care so little about the law do you think it would bother them in the least if they shot you even if you were just standing there?

The problem is that is how it starts. Would you feel comfortable with someone kicking your door down at 3AM just to have them tell you they don't want to hurt you, they are only here for your stuff? After all it is only property right?

I think that someone who has decided to grab a few phones off the table has decided to minimize the risk to their own safety. The risk involved in grabbing a few phones is minimal, though not zero. Once you touch or involve a person, the risk escalates quickly. They shout, they hold onto their purse, may try to grab you. All of those things increase the risk of being harmed or delayed long enough to be caught. Bystanders have time to come to their senses and intervene. The police are more inclined to investigate crimes against persons (as opposed to simple property theft), so the risk of being caught later increases. Courts are more inclined to prosecute crimes against persons. The risks to the criminal go way up when someone gets hurt, or if there was a risk of harm.

If every "honest" citizen refused to buy anything that may have been stolen, property theft would plummet. No point stealing iPhones if there isn't a buyer who will wink at they "My company overstocked, and I'm authorized to sell these for cash, for the coffee fund. Really" story. I'll bet the thieves had no idea that these phones are useless (Apple having already instituted anti-theft measures). They'll get few dollars at best from someone who fixes phones on the grey market, and calculates the risk of being caught with stolen goods into what they are willing to pay the thieves.

I wonder how many people here, willing to shoot someone for stealing property, have also bought something with a price "too good to be true..." thereby creating the reason for the theft in the first place?

 

[tflournoy95]

I think that someone who has decided to grab a few phones off the table has decided to minimize the risk to their own safety. The risk involved in grabbing a few phones is minimal, though not zero. Once you touch or involve a person, the risk escalates quickly. They shout, they hold onto their purse, may try to grab you. All of those things increase the risk of being harmed or delayed long enough to be caught. Bystanders have time to come to their senses and intervene. The police are more inclined to investigate crimes against persons (as opposed to simple property theft), so the risk of being caught later increases. Courts are more inclined to prosecute crimes against persons. The risks to the criminal go way up when someone gets hurt, or if there was a risk of harm.

If every "honest" citizen refused to buy anything that may have been stolen, property theft would plummet. No point stealing iPhones if there isn't a buyer who will wink at they "My company overstocked, and I'm authorized to sell these for cash, for the coffee fund. Really" story. I'll bet the thieves had no idea that these phones are useless (Apple having already instituted anti-theft measures). They'll get few dollars at best from someone who fixes phones on the grey market, and calculates the risk of being caught with stolen goods into what they are willing to pay the thieves.

I wonder how many people here, willing to shoot someone for stealing property, have also bought something with a price "too good to be true..." thereby creating the reason for the theft in the first place?

ive never bought anything that was stolen. if i buy something, its legit.

and thats a big if btw

 

[mfaye21]

I guess they were trying to beat this record in daylight. Watch the vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Wj2-3BrNg

Too bad they couldn't. lol.

That is my local apple store!