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Apple Store's Temperature Checks May Violate EU Privacy Rules, Says German Data Protection Office
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An idiot who is in a hurry and "just needs this one thing".
There's no security cameras watching who gets allowed/disallowed? No tracking of cell phones to match up who stayed for a while or who turned around and left right away? There's always data collection.
uhm ever heard of the Stasi and the DDR? These privacy concerns aren’t there for nothing. Living in Berlin I walk passed these reminders every day
Actually, some of those contactless thermometers do store temperature data and measurement time.
Apart from that, it's still ridiculous, because some companies in the EU also require temperature checks for their employees right now.
It's just an investigation if it violates privacy law - imho, even stupid questions should be allowed. And who knows? Maybe this will even make temperature checks before entwring an office building illegal?
The same idiots who go to parties while coughing and sneezing.
If you have a fever, especially one that's as high as COVID causes, I would think you'd know without a thermometer.
Who went to work while sick with a cold or worse? Plenty of people, unfortunately.
I don’t know if taking temperatures will help for asymptomatic cases, but it does have me ask, how long does Apple plan on having people in their stores and just how many at a time?
Can anyone in Australia chime in on what the environment in Apple stores look like after re-opening?
What does this have anything to do with a simple temperature measurement? We have many data privacy fanatics in Germany and this is one of the reasons that everything in Germany moves so slowly. I like that Germany hast strong privacy laws, but we should also have the right balance and judgement. Have a look at South Korea or Singapore. They used temperature measurements at schools to identify kids that might be experiencing COVID-19 symptoms. Why is this bad? Why should we go crazy about it? How can such an information be used against us? I find this kind of reaction extreme and I cannot understand it.
I think that there are several things to consider.
1) If you want to open a store in Germany, you follow German laws, including if you think these laws are stupid;
2) Checking fever may be giving a false sense of security, as is explained above in several posts: one can cheat it and more important one can be contagious without showing fever;
3) Some people have higher body temperature without suffering from Covid-19, sometimes even without suffering from any contagious illnesses.
I clearly prefer when everybody takes reasonable precautions (social distance...) then when they rely on visible but unreliable hardware for their safety.
1) If you want to open a store in Germany, you follow German laws, including if you think these laws are stupid;
2) Checking fever may be giving a false sense of security, as is explained above in several posts: one can cheat it and more important one can be contagious without showing fever;
3) Some people have higher body temperature without suffering from Covid-19, sometimes even without suffering from any contagious illnesses.
I clearly prefer when everybody takes reasonable precautions (social distance...) then when they rely on visible but unreliable hardware for their safety.
I don't think that Apple is breaking any local laws. Checking the temperature might give a false sense of security, but only if you think about it as the only thing going on at the Apple stores. You have to wear a mask and also keep 1,5 meters distance from others. A mask gives a false sense of security even more than a temperature check.
I don't know how someone would cheat, but even if this is possible, the vast majority wouldn't be able to cheat..
I find the temperature check a good thing and I would like to see it expanded to all schools in Germany..
"You need to wear caps or go stand in the shadows before coming in here"
The problem is you're supposed to follow EU laws, but even though there's one law, there's 26+5+1 different interpretations of the same.
Morons who spread the disease because they think its nothing or they dont care.
Seems the Germans have their priorities in order! 🙄
www.express.co.uk
Germany’s daily coronavirus cases nearly TRIPLE
CORONAVIRUS cases in Germany have almost trebled in the past 24 hours sparking fears of a second wave of COVID-19 infections.
The other thing to keep in mind is, while it would be nice to catch every single last case, we don't have to, in order to be effective - just need to drive the R0 number well down below 1.0. Then, the virus will eventually die out. Effective-but-lossy measures, widely applied, can go a long ways towards achieving that goal.
Personally, I wouldn't interpret the temperature check as "oh great, they checked my temp, everything's fine now, and I can go back to licking all the iPhones", I'd see it as a constant reminder that we're not out of the woods yet and we all need to be careful.
How is someone's health data not private information? Apple would readily agree that it is.
The real question is whether it can be tied to a person.
Is that the process though? Apple hasn’t climbed aboard a grifter train to buy a high tech thermometer solution (that is actually a data collection service) have they?
Like, are they just using standard thermometers or what?
That's not how it works in the US. Private space doesn't become public space just because it's "accessible to the public." Apple can deny people entry to their stores for any reason (outside of the obvious discriminatory ones). Police can walk in, but they can't station themselves there and harass/question customers or conduct a search without a warrant or other authorization.
This is a lie and you shouldn't believe it. Have a look here if you want some real stats: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/Seems the Germans have their priorities in order! 🙄
Germany’s daily coronavirus cases nearly TRIPLE
CORONAVIRUS cases in Germany have almost trebled in the past 24 hours sparking fears of a second wave of COVID-19 infections.
The fact is that Germany had 72865 active infections on April the 6th. Now, 35 days later we have 19298 active cases. If the trend continues then Germany will probably be Coronavirus free by the end of June/beginning of July. There is no second wave (currently).
Agreed, plenty of them around, like the ones spitting/coughing on for instance police/healthcare workers/Public transport workers ....
Security cameras won't be able to read the temp. display, you can track a cellphone but don't know the owner, at least not in shops, providers for instance know.
I was talking about data collection while having your temp checked, there's no data collection there.