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Death rates lag behind case rates, nothing new. Yes it’s very common in general that deaths might go up when cases go down due to people die over days or weeks if they are going to.
That reply about data that's months in maturation literally makes no sense. But either way, Texas was still COVID central compared with reason based states.
 

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The level of absolute paranoia on this thread is amazing.

This is not a deadly disease unless you are old or overweight. Even then it is still relatively safe.

People running around afraid with the current level of disease activity are math illiterate.

Masks mitigate risk a little bit. They are not magic. Wearing or not wearing them has small impacts on outcomes. Population wide useful but not a ward against disease.

Who cares if people lie about vaccination? Natural immunity is better than vaccinated and they have no need for vaccination so they might figure they dont need a mask since they have been vaccinated naturally instead of synthetically. Other people not wearing masks and not being vaccinated dont pose a risk to you if you are vaccinated. They would have to be asymptomatic carrier and you would have to be among the 5% who didn't get immunity (a practical risk of about 2%) and have an exposure- usually contact of a few minutes. Thats a risk too small to sweat about.
No, natural immunity is 1/10 the antibody levels of the mRNA vaccines.
 
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I’m definitely not anti masks at all. I just refuse them wearing outside under the sky in nature, especially when nobody is around like my government forced me to do so. Not only it’s stupid but it doesn’t help anyone.
I traveled to many cities and states during the pandemic and nobody cared that I didn’t wear a mask outside, cops don’t care, because mandates aren’t law.
 
I’m definitely not anti masks at all. I just refuse them wearing outside under the sky in nature, especially when nobody is around like my government forced me to do so. Not only it’s stupid but it doesn’t help anyone.

I do that too. I go walking or jogging or mixed a few miles a day. My first response to covid prevalence in my area was to take less trafficked routes and go out of my way to avoid close proximity with others. I was referring more to subways and streets with an abnormally high density of foot traffic. There are a few worldwide that are just crazy. The example is an extreme outlier, but I would take precautions with any highly trafficked street, noting that you wearing a mask helps other people more than it helps you (helps you if you would otherwise touch your face more frequently).
 
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The level of absolute paranoia on this thread is amazing.

This is not a deadly disease unless you are old or overweight. Even then it is still relatively safe.

People running around afraid with the current level of disease activity are math illiterate.

Masks mitigate risk a little bit. They are not magic. Wearing or not wearing them has small impacts on outcomes. Population wide useful but not a ward against disease.

Who cares if people lie about vaccination? Natural immunity is better than vaccinated and they have no need for vaccination so they might figure they dont need a mask since they have been vaccinated naturally instead of synthetically. Other people not wearing masks and not being vaccinated dont pose a risk to you if you are vaccinated. They would have to be asymptomatic carrier and you would have to be among the 5% who didn't get immunity (a practical risk of about 2%) and have an exposure- usually contact of a few minutes. Thats a risk too small to sweat about.
How dare you follow the facts. Just keep watching the CNN death ticker 😂. I personally know a couple nurses and indeed they said almost every patient in the ICU was older and overweight. I’m repeating exactly what I was told by seasoned medical professionals that were in the front lines of this.

Hilarious that the “medical professionals “ all over TV weren’t telling people to use their down time at home to get healthy and live a healthier life. Let’s not follow that science at all eh?

Instead what we got were suicide, substance abuse, alcoholism, child abuse and various mental health issues that skyrocketed. But by all means let’s just keep locking ourselves inside and masking up alone outside in 90 degree weather.

Some people never want this to end. Since it will put an end to their ever important life altering virtue signaling.
 
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1. Wrong. Fact checked:
- https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...sks-hydroxychloroquine-and-virus-engineering/
- https://abc7ny.com/covid-vaccine-ma...make-you-fauci-emails-spike-protein/10784053/
- https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...g-context-claim-mask-emails-fauci/7531267002/

2. You didn't cite a specific email as I said in my reply. Therefore I'm assume you got this info through an unreliable source as they did the digestion of info and regurgitated something completely inaccurate which you ate it up without second guessing.

I believe we've reached the end of discussion here.
I’m sorry but I’m not reading any fact checking ever. Those same fact checkers also said that Covid is from the nature among other things that they are regularly wrong or lying about. And those Fauci e-mails. They actually asked him about them in Congress and he said that he always followed current science that he/they knew at that time. If that was a lie or it was just wrong he seems to not differentiate between those. He also lied about financing the Wuhan lab. Do you also want to talk about this, hm?
 
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Death rates lag behind case rates, nothing new. Yes it’s very common in general that deaths might go up when cases go down due to people die over days or weeks if they are going to.
Have you looked into publishing your research/findings?

I’m not joking: this conclusion will be news to the scientific community, so if you have something here, you should share it for peer review.
 
How dare you follow the facts. Just keep watching the CNN death ticker 😂. I personally know a couple nurses and indeed they said almost every patient in the ICU was older and overweight. I’m repeating exactly what I was told by seasoned medical professionals that were in the front lines of this.

Hilarious that the “medical professionals “ all over TV weren’t telling people to use their down time at home to get healthy and live a healthier life. Let’s not follow that science at all eh?
Facts ≠
  • “I personally know”
  • “a couple”
  • “almost every”
  • “seasoned medical professionals in the front lines of this” (read: a couple of people I personally know in a geographically limited area)

Suggested homework:​
  1. look up sample size
  2. Understand cognitive biases, like confirmation bias and availability bias
 
How dare you follow the facts. Just keep watching the CNN death ticker 😂. I personally know a couple nurses and indeed they said almost every patient in the ICU was older and overweight. I’m repeating exactly what I was told by seasoned medical professionals that were in the front lines of this.

Hilarious that the “medical professionals “ all over TV weren’t telling people to use their down time at home to get healthy and live a healthier life. Let’s not follow that science at all eh?

Instead what we got were suicide, substance abuse, alcoholism, child abuse and various mental health issues that skyrocketed. But by all means let’s just keep locking ourselves inside and masking up alone outside in 90 degree weather.

Some people never want this to end. Since it will put an end to their ever important life altering virtue signaling.
Excuse me while I go get my free Krispy Kreme donut with vaccination.
 
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Define “recent”.

mRNA has been worked on since the 1990’s.

There are new automobile gas engines in 2021 with recent innovative features, but to refer to them as, say, “recently invented experimental machines” would be extremely disingenuous, as their designs are derived from the internal combustion engines that have been with us for decades.

Same principal with the vaccines.
Every new car that is invented, regardless of its drive mechanics, number of wheels, capacity for acceleration & braking only ever have to adapt and adhere to the mechanics of our streets, roads, highways. Regardless of the car, it only has to be able to navigate concrete roads, turns, bumps and sometimes dirt. That’s a small number of variables to adapt to.

The system to which a medication must adapt to is the Human body, and unlike roads to which there are only a few variables to consider, the human body has countless changing and evolving variables that have to be adapted to, that differ between groups of people based on age, gender, race & health.

And so any medication invented for the human body has to contend with an environment of constantly changing variables that give rise to a plethora of unexpected side-effects. This is why the notion of blood clots arising was not determined before it’s release, because Vaccine producers wrre unaware of all the myriad of ways in which their medication would be received by the varied complex human bodies that exist out in the world.

And so to conclude, while I value the impact and necessity of science-based medicine, I feel like this particular one has been rushed through the protocols of safety that other medications have had to go through in order to be deemed safe for human consumption, the biggest one of which is Time.

There are simply some things you don’t discover about a medications affect on the human body until after prolonged periods of time, that is why the multi-year and sometimes multi-decade testing period for drugs is so crucial, and why we are making a huge mistake by not considering the possibility that quickly developed and approved medications may have affects unknowable until years have elapsed in those who’ve taken them.
 
I'm actually OK with "proof of vaccination" replacing masking requirements. The problem with this Apple implementation is that they are going with the "honor system" and blankly trusting that the majority of American customers are honest. Such a very wrong assumption.

If a company is going with the "proof of vaccination" implementation, then do it right: ASK the customers to provide some proof of vaccination. Otherwise, don't even implement it at all. You either do it all the way, or you don't do it at all. Do or do not, there is no half-arse.
 
I wonder if the same people who say "JuSt ShoW yoUr vaX caRD" also are okay with Voter ID laws.

I bet they're not, though.
You and/or someone you know has gotten a potentially deadly contact illness from someone’s vote due to close proximity!?!?!

This is a hell of a story, and you’ve chosen to break it on a Mac forum?!?!? WOW!
 
If everyone wore masks correctly for a few months this would have ended a long time ago. Science is real.
Exactly. I’m living somewhere that from last summer enforced a mask mandate more strictly than anywhere I’m aware of. In the entire country we’ve had 5 COVID deaths the last 12 months. Not 5 thousand, 5.

And most of that time we’ve been completely COVID-free. If the rest of the world had followed suit, COVID would’ve been eradicated months ago. Instead, it’s now endemic forever because of the world’s newest leading religion: self-centeredness, greed, and “me above everyone else.”
 
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It's actually astonishing how BADLY some people want masks and distancing to be the new normal. It's like they were terrible in social settings pre-covid and it's the only way for them to feel normal now.
 
You’re the one saying there’s a “scamdemic,” the burden is on you to explain, not for me to prove a negative. I’ll show you an example of what you’re doing: “explain to me that it wasn’t aliens who landed in Roswell?”

Plus, even that aside, are you seriously conflating different effects in different places, and environmental factors with “the pandemic doesn’t exist and is totally fake”?

It doesn’t snow in Aruba. That said, snow exists.

You’re right that you didn’t say he invented it. So let me rephrase: what was Fauci’s incentive to further the “narrative”? What was the endgame of the whole plan?

There’s a universe of difference between why anyone would orchestrate an entire fake pandemic, and the intended cause/effect, and retroactively determining “doesn’t it seem odd that…” and simply casting speculation.

Unless you can explain what the scam is supposed to be—whether I “like” it or not is immaterial, so don’t distract—then just like a solution in search of a problem, all you have is loose “evidence” in search of a conspiracy.

Again, forget about me—just explain the scam that you are so certain exists.
What do you think I’m doing here? I’m trying to explain the scamdemic and I’m trying to do that with the best of my intentions, so you could see it too. Which you don’t see or you refuse to see for, I think, political reasons. I don’t want you to explain anything.

And when I’m trying to say something you just don’t listen. I’m not here because I want to divide or even lie to people. I swear to God and my parents and friends that my intentions are only good.

This scamdemic is a very real thing and if we won’t do something about it it’s going to stay forever. I’d love to chat and explain why it’s a scam and a crime but these posts are evidence that we can’t have a discussion.

Also, let’s try not to say that no government at anytime didn’t do evil on people in the past. They do that often. Why some people still believe that there couldn’t be anything fishy about this when we see fishy or criminal behaviour in this is beyond me.
 
Exactly. I’m living somewhere that from last summer enforced a mask mandate more strictly than anywhere I’m aware of. In the entire country we’ve had 5 COVID deaths the last 12 months. Not 5 thousand, 5.

And most of that time we’ve been completely COVID-free. If the rest of the world had followed suit, COVID would’ve been eradicated months ago. Instead, it’s not endemic forever because of the world’s newest leading religion: self-centeredness, greed, and “me above everyone else.”
Breaking news: heavily populated countries get more cases and deaths of a highly transmissible virus. News at 11.
 
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It's actually astonishing how BADLY some people want masks and distancing to be the new normal. It's like they were terrible in social settings pre-covid and it's the only way for them to feel normal now.
Very true. Seems like that’s EXACTLY the same people who want others to be as miserable as them. As the old saying goes MISERY LOVES COMPANY!
 
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Have fun with that. Did you wear masks every flu season?
Wow..over a year of covid and you still don’t get the difference between this one and the flu.
I feel sorry for all the US-Americans that are being considered as an uneducated and ignorant people worldwide because of individuals like you.
Anyway, good to see most people in the US haven’t lost their common sense.
 
Facts ≠
  • “I personally know”
  • “a couple”
  • “almost every”
  • “seasoned medical professionals in the front lines of this” (read: a couple of people I personally know in a geographically limited area)
Suggested homework:​
  1. look up sample size
  2. Understand cognitive biases, like confirmation bias and availability bias
such as:

"Associations with risk for hospitalization and death were pronounced among adults aged <65 years: aRRs for patients in the highest BMI category (≥45 kg/m2) compared with patients with healthy weights were 1.59 (95% CI = 1.52–1.67) for hospitalization and 2.01 (95% CI = 1.72–2.35) for death."

So overweight increases odds of being hospitalized about 40%. and chance of death 100%, still means lots of average weight people hospitalized and/or die.
 
Wrong, try again, Over 54% of people 18 and up are fully vaccinated, 43% total
Are you seriously trying to lecture me about my own country? You’re just plain lying here. The government just opened vaccine registrations for young people like a week or two ago.
 
Wow..over a year of covid and you still don’t get the difference between this one and the flu.
I feel sorry for all the US-Americans that are being considered as an uneducated and ignorant people worldwide because of individuals like you.
Anyway, good to see most people in the US haven’t lost their common sense.
The flu killed younger people at a higher rate than COVID.
 
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