Apple Stores to Drop Mask Requirement for Vaccinated Customers This Week

[thekev]

This will be deleted again, but I have to say it.. there's no pandemic. Just look at the Fauci's e-mails if you don't believe me or you don't want to believe because you're scared to death. There's no need to wear a mask in public, unless you feel bad. In that case you should stay home anyway as you probably should've when the world was relatively normal. We didn't wear masks during flu epidemics, there's no reason to do it now. Just protect the older people and those who are more vulnerable. Unless of course, you want dead economics and desperate people. The world can't do this forever.

The flu was not prevalent during the 2020-2021 flu season, according to the CDC. Covid cases still spiked following holiday travel. As for masks during influenza epidemics, this is more common among Asian countries. I'm surprised it isn't more common in cities with a high density of foot traffic or crowded public transport systems. The lack of use is really orthogonal to discussions of efficacy. It's mostly cultural.

No. But the likelihood of dying from COVID once vaccinated (depending on your age group, of course) is extremely small.

Personally, I still avoid exposure as much as possible, given that similar to the flu, there are issues that may impact expected lifespan and quality of life. It's new enough that we don't have a lot of statistics yet. Give it twenty years and we'll have some idea how these people ended up.

The likelyhood of me dying from COVID19, unvaccinated, is extremely small.

except the unvaccinated guy only needs to worry about COVID19. Vaccinated people also have to worry about catching it, as well as vaccine side effects. Both very small, but that’s two gambles instead of one.

To be "two gambles" in a meaningful sense, these risks would need to be orthogonal, in addition to being similar in magnitude. Without that, it's nonsense.

It's still quite early, but barring side effects that are not detectable in the short term, there isn't much that's provable yet. The Johnson and Johnson case is highly speculative, and the others haven't turned up much as of yet. Actually, if the risks posed by covid weren't significant, I might not have gotten the vaccine myself. The association with measurable lung scarring and other potential long term issues really scared me though, as some people may be stuck with this stuff for life.

 

[farewelwilliams]

there won't BE spread because the folks who are vaccinated can't be spread to.

small clarification: it can spread to vaccinated people (though it's a 5% chance of you getting it and then 5% of the next person getting it which means it's EXTREMELY unlikely)

 

[hot-gril]

It's a bonus benefit to decreasing the spread of disease. Not seeing ugly mugs. Maybe you live in a 90's sitcom where everyone is pretty, but where I live most people could do with a few extra layers.

Idk, people aren't pretty in San Jose.

 

[coachgq]

This will work very well for liars that pretending to be vaccinated.

And those of us who are really vaccinated. I for one and thankful.

 

[4jasontv]

Idk, people aren't pretty in San Jose.

This is why I support remote work and masks. "Sorry, my camera isn't working, guess I will have to do audio-only again."

There is more than one reason to support social distancing protocols.

 

[antiprotest]

Good news, but if vaccinated customers are allowed to take their masks off why not employees too? They’re people too.

They are not people jk

 

[canyonblue737]

small clarification: it can spread to vaccinated people (though it's a 5% chance of you getting it and then 5% of the next person getting it which means it's EXTREMELY unlikely)

yes, absolutely. nothing is without risk entirely. but let me make a small clarification: the cdc has found that even IF a vaccinated person gets infected there is a high likelihood they will be asymptomatic and it has been found, unlike what we believed for much of the last year, that asymptomatic people are NOT heavy spreaders of CV19, that tends to be the folks showing symptoms. bottom line is the risk of all of this is rapidly decreasing to such a low level to all but those unvaccinated that it no longer makes sense to massively change our way of life and doing things. i have participated in every requested action to mitigate this pandemic the last year, including getting vaccinated, but life is *not* without risk and i'm afraid some feel our entire way of life should forever change until such time as *all* risk has been eliminated which is another way of saying... never. that is what i'm not onboard with, so i proudly go without mask now because 1) it's allowed in my home state (illinois) and 2) i want to demonstrate that as a vaccinated individual it is time to get back to normal life.

 

[hot-gril]

Good news, but if vaccinated customers are allowed to take their masks off why not employees too? They’re people too.

There's probably not a happy answer to this. Something along the lines of, a few customers will make a big stink if employees aren't masked.

 

[IllinoisCorn]

No, I wear the mask in the store cause the door says, masks required.

There were two parts to my statement: around in masks outside and in the store

If you're wearing a mask outside, you don't believe in SCIENCE.

If you're fully vaccinated and the store you walk into says you have to wear a mask regardless, the store doesn't believe in SCIENCE.

If you're wearing a mask because you don't want to be confused with someone who has right of center political belief, you are VIRTUE SIGNALING.

 

[jonnyb098]

This makes zero sense. Vaccinated can still spread the virus.

and why do vaccinated staff need to wear one?
Double standards, braindead logic.

I however, am enjoying not being vaccinated. And I never will be vaccinated. I eat quality pasture raised grass fed meats and organic fruits an veggies daily, and I haven’t been sick in years. Sorry folks, deal with it.

There’s zero evidence of significant spread through vaccinated people. And zero that one vaccinated person can spread it to another vaccinated person And that person even gets sick.

 

[JoeShades]

There were two parts to my statement: around in masks outside and in the store

If you're wearing a mask outside, you don't believe in SCIENCE.

If you're fully vaccinated and the store you walk into says you have to wear a mask regardless, the store doesn't believe in SCIENCE.

If you're wearing a mask because you don't want to be confused with someone who has right of center political belief, you are VIRTUE SIGNALING.

Sadly people only believe in the science they have decided is true

 

[Maconplasma]

won't be busy in the stores with no new hardware and Macs.

Everyone waiting for something better and more refined than the M1 Chip

Do yourself a big service and step out of the fake world called forums and understand that in reality most people aren't going to the Apple store to see the next version of M1. Heck most people not in tune with the tech world (which is the majority of Apple's customers) don't even know Apple has moved on from Intel and creating their own chips. Please step into reality? 🙄

 

[JoeShades]

Then let’s just all stay locked up forever according to your logic. There’s zero evidence of significant spread through vaccinated people. And virtually zero that one vaccinated person can spread it to another vaccinate person.

Do you just never want this to end no matter the actual science to continue virtue signaling comments till the end of time ?

Yeah but there are conflicting reports about vaccines and the delta variant. I am very concerened

 

[InGen]

This will work very well for liars that pretending to be vaccinated.

or People not represented by a system that imposes such invasive requirements of them (the injection of a recently invented experimental concoction into their blood stream) and while they respect those that do with good intentions would rather opt-out and see it as their right to do so.

 

[fenderbass146]

This will work very well for liars that pretending to be vaccinated.

Who cares…worry about yourself. If you’re vaccinated you’re good.

 

[Silverstring]

Also remember when so many people were critical of Trump rallies, but when Biden won the streets were suddenly full of people dancing and celebrating? That was ok. Covid disappeared or what?

Easily explained: lots of people are hypocritical idiots, regardless of their political persuasion or preferred presidential candidates.

Not only that, but something doesn’t have to be true in 100% of cases for it to be true. We even have a word for that phenomena, it’s called an “exception”.

I’m guessing you’ve lied at least once in your life, like most people. Does that make you a “liar”, or just someone who has lied? People who believe(d) in/fear(ed) the pandemic put that aside in a moment of weakness. These things are obviously not mutually exclusive.

COVID didn’t disappear. Some people let their emotions get the better of them over their feelings about the election outcome and made an illogical/hypocritical risk calculation in the moment.

It’s really not difficult to understand if you understand human nature and/or cognitive function + biases on any level, unless someone is really straining to fit it into a preconceived notion.

 

[TroyBoy30]

They were never needed anyway and how will you know I’m vaccinated

 

[fenderbass146]

Because the “honor system” works so well with conspiracy theory, qanon whack jobs who will gladly spread around new variants. Yay! 2 months and we’re back to full surges. 🙄

Lol quit fear mongering

 

[4jasontv]

lots of people are hypocritical idiots

I’m not sure what I can add, but I hope to increase visibility of your statement.

 

[BobVB]

The flu was not prevalent during the 2020-2021 flu season, according to the CDC. Covid cases still spiked following holiday travel. As for masks during influenza epidemics, this is more common among Asian countries. I'm surprised it isn't more common in cities with a high density of foot traffic or crowded public transport systems. The lack of use is really orthogonal to discussions of efficacy. It's mostly cultural.



Personally, I still avoid exposure as much as possible, given that similar to the flu, there are issues that may impact expected lifespan and quality of life. It's new enough that we don't have a lot of statistics yet. Give it twenty years and we'll have some idea how these people ended up.



To be "two gambles" in a meaningful sense, these risks would need to be orthogonal, in addition to being similar in magnitude. Without that, it's nonsense.

It's still quite early, but barring side effects that are not detectable in the short term, there isn't much that's provable yet. The Johnson and Johnson case is highly speculative, and the others haven't turned up much as of yet. Actually, if the risks posed by covid weren't significant, I might not have gotten the vaccine myself. The association with measurable lung scarring and other potential long term issues really scared me though, as some people may be stuck with this stuff for life.

Latest news is that 7 months after COVID hospitalisation 5% are developing signs of type 2 Diabetes. COVID may affect the insulin producing cells in the pancreas.

 

[hot-gril]

There were two parts to my statement: around in masks outside and in the store

If you're wearing a mask outside, you don't believe in SCIENCE.

If you're fully vaccinated and the store you walk into says you have to wear a mask regardless, the store doesn't believe in SCIENCE.

If you're wearing a mask because you don't want to be confused with someone who has right of center political belief, you are VIRTUE SIGNALING.

Ok, many states and cities have their own outdoor mask mandates. Most Apple stores are in walking shopping areas, many of which are outdoors, and a lot of those require masks. Stores might require masks because they can't tell who's vaccinated and who's not.

It's not even clear what the law is in many places, so maybe people are just doing it anyway to be safe (law-wise). Personally I only wear one if the place explicitly says to, but that's a lot of places.

 

[Juan007]

Apple has always been a company that follows the science, not the extremist propaganda perpetrated by anti-science authoritarians. By aligning their policies with science, they are showing so yet again. Thank you, Apple. I will make it a point to visit my local Apple Store and make a purchase later next week.

 

[jonnyb098]

Yeah but there are conflicting reports about vaccines and the delta variant. I am very concerened

The ACTUAL facts are that even the experts don’t, nor did they ever truly know what they were talking about from the beginning. As there has been as well conflicting info from the get go even from lord Fauci himself. They don’t know if the vaccine is effective at all long term until…… TIME ACTUALLY PASSES. Hence the hesitancy of many to even bother with it.

The other thing everyone seems to be overlooking is that the millions who have had it and recovered and have immunity. Which is why the 70 percent magic number vaccination rate is total BS. sure the vaccine helps but so does actually getting it and recovering. Which we are already at. If you add up the people who’ve had it with those who haven’t and been vaccinated we are at very very close to herd immunity.

 

[JoeShades]

Apple has always been a company that follows the science, not the extremist propaganda perpetrated by anti-science authoritarians. By aligning their policies with science, they are showing so yet again. Thank you, Apple. I will make it a point to visit my local Apple Store and make a purchase later next week.

If they were following the science vaccianted employees would not need masks

 

[JoeShades]

The ACTUAL facts are that even the experts don’t, nor did they ever truly know what they were talking about from the beginning. As there has been as well conflicting info from the get go even from lord Fauci himself. They don’t know if the vaccine is effective at all long term until…… TIME ACTUALLY PASSES. Hence the hesitancy of many to even bother with it.

The other thing everyone seems to be overlooking is that the millions who have had it and recovered and have immunity. Which is why the 70 percent magic number vaccination rate is total BS. sure the vaccine helps but so does actually getting it and recovering. Which we are already at. If you add up the people who’ve had it with those who haven’t and been vaccinated we are at very very close to herd immunity.

Yes but Like I said the Delta variant is very concerning