Apple Stores to Drop Mask Requirement for Vaccinated Customers This Week

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

Reduce exposure. You don’t need to eat dirt to have a healthy immune system.

Yet Dr. Fauci said that masks don't work at all anyway in preventing you from contracting the disease, only in spreading it, and even then only to a small degree. So much for liberals following the science, but only if it's the science in their own wacky political minds apparently.

 

[4jasontv]

Yet Dr. Fauci said that masks don't work at all anyway in preventing you from contracting the disease, only in spreading it, and even then only to a small degree. So much for liberals following the science, but only if it's the science in their own wacky political minds apparently.

So, do you get a thrill spreading false information? I don’t get it.

 

[Bonte]

And they isolated and don't have a death cult of COVIDiots. Accepting their responsibilities to others is what has made them wear masks whenever they were infectious to begin with. The rate still went up 3x since the supposed 'herd immunity.'

Herd immunity does not exterminate the virus, the virus then becomes endemic like the common cold. People also keep dying from the common cold every year, 15.000 die from RSV every year in the US, a common cold. To put it in perspective.

Surveillance Case Definitions for Current and Historical Conditions

A surveillance case definition is a set of uniform criteria used to define a disease for public health surveillance in order to classify and count cases.

wwwn.cdc.gov

Death rate is indeed 12.000 this year but that is still nothing for a new virus, and it is already slowing down.

Japan COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Japan Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Japan just doesn't have a serious Covid situation, probably because of previous SARS infections years ago that didn't reach the US and Europe, or because they didn't have a lockdown so the virus could evolve into a weaker version of itself. As is usually the case with new viruses.

Lockdowns and mass masking are unproven experiments with a very negative economic impact, especially for 3d countries.

 

[Jensend]

or because they didn't have a lockdown so the virus could evolve into a weaker version of itself.

Huh?

 

[hot-gril]

Yet Dr. Fauci said that masks don't work at all anyway in preventing you from contracting the disease, only in spreading it, and even then only to a small degree. So much for liberals following the science, but only if it's the science in their own wacky political minds apparently.

Even the cloth mask greatly reduces the chance of spreading it. This page has lots of links to research: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

 

[hot-gril]

Huh?

Viruses evolve to spread, not necessarily to kill. Killing the host isn't advantageous for spreading. Some past viruses have evolved to become less deadly. I dunno if that applies here.

 

[hans1972]

So here's the perspective for my country. There's 10 millions of us. We are very small country in comparison with the US. That ammount of people I stated regarding the flu would be now considered dangerous "pandemic" in my country. Hell we even closed the country and brought up restrictions when we had hundreds of cases. This is insanity.

Again, you don't even take in account what I'm saying. The point of my post was that why there's so much death? Why don't we treat the people with Covid? If you call me ignorant I'd say, why are you blinded by your ignorance in the topic? You don't even question things. Is that because it's against the narrative?

Imagine how much damage Covid-19 would have done without any restrictions?

In Norway, on average, 900 people die of the flu each year. This past flu season the numbers were close to zero. What we to do stop spreading Covid-19 also stops the spread of the flue.

What the past year has shown us, is that at most western societies (and many others) haven't done enough to stop the spread of the flu. Main reason is probably because we are so used to it just as we are with traffic deaths, murders and other violent crimes.

If you use some of the restrictions we did for Covid-19 in the future for the flu, millions of people will live longer.

 

[hans1972]

Then why not wear the best mask possible?

The question is if a N95 mask significantly stops the wearer from spreading the virus more than cheaper masks. Especially if the wearer is untrained in the use of it.

Also:
* Priority for health care workers
* Higher demand than supply
* More expensive to buy
* More inconvenient to wear

When fighting a disease you are pragmatic and do your best. It isn't like religion or ethics were you have to be perfect.

Wearing masks 50% of the time is better than zero. Using less effective masks is better than no mask at all. Social distancing 70% of the time is better than 30% of the time.

 

[hans1972]

India has a lot fewer deaths than the US, Japan has almost no Covid deaths, no excess mortality and all that without a full lockdown.

Look at the facts, not the media.

"Tokyo citizens may have developed COVID-19 herd immunity, say researchers"

Tokyo citizens may have developed COVID-19 herd immunity, say researchers

Researchers in Japan and the United States have conducted a study showing that herd immunity to severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) may have developed among the citizens of Tokyo during the summer.

www.news-medical.net

You are using outdated information.

Norway never had a full lockdown. At most there were 2-3 weeks were only necessary stores were open. No restrictions on outdoor travel locally and almost no mask use at all.

Norway had few cases during summer 2020 and something like 15 deaths during July and August. There were almost no mask use during spring and summer 2020. And yet we got a second and a third wave later.

It had nothing to do with herd immunity. What worked was social distancing in all it forms and stopping people from abroad coming into the country.

 

[hans1972]

Again. I did not say anything like this. You're twisting it and you know it because you don't like what I'm saying. I'm stating he's a big part of this scamdemic and the world has evidence of that. Explain to me why there's no pandemic in Mexico, Florida, Texas, Sweden, Belarus, etc.? Why can't the rest of the world live normally?

Around 14 500 people died from Covid-19 in Sweden, making it comparable to the US in deaths per capita. Sweden has had restrictions since at least March 2020 and many are still in effect.

The main difference between Sweden and most of its neighbours were the enforcement of such restrictions. In Sweden most of them were recommendations and very few had the force of law.

 

[itickings]

Around 14 500 people died from Covid-19 in Sweden, making it comparable to the US in deaths per capita. Sweden has had restrictions since at least March 2020 and many are still in effect.

The main difference between Sweden and most of its neighbours were the enforcement of such restrictions. In Sweden most of them were recommendations and very few had the force of law.

Probably lost in translation:

A recommendation in this context is not merely a suggestion or proposal as to the best course of action, it means “do this” as strongly worded as possible without it being a law.

 

[Bonte]

Huh?

The natural way for a virus to evolve is to become less deadly, the mechanism is rather simple. You stay away from a person that is dead sick from covid (a more deadly variant), if the person has no symptoms (a less deadly variant) the virus can spread more easily. That is why viruses become less deadly over time when not confined.

They also found out that vaccines that are leaky (=protect against sickness but not prevent the infection), can do the exact opposite and make the virus more deadly. Because the person does not get sick from a deadly variant, this variant can spread more easily en so become dominant and more deadly for non-vaccinated as a result. It's the same mechanism but turned around.

The solution for this problem in livestock is to lock them up and vaccinate 100%. Sound familiar? Sadly enough the problem is not solved by that because wild animals then get the deadly virus and spread it around. That is why they instead choose to do an emergency killing of livestock to stem a disease (in the EU that is).

Healthline: ‘Leaky’ Vaccines Can Produce Stronger Versions of Viruses

‘Leaky’ Vaccines Can Produce Stronger Versions of Viruses

By studying chickens, researchers say they have proven the theory that more virulent viruses can evolve from so-called “leaky” vaccines.

www.healthline.com

 

[Bonte]

Viruses evolve to spread, not necessarily to kill. Killing the host isn't advantageous for spreading. Some past viruses have evolved to become less deadly. I dunno if that applies here.

If there are more deadly and less deadly variants it should automatically apply to Covid, when not restricted that is. Treating a very sick person the same way as a symptom-free person could halt this evolution or even turn it around.

China is an interesting example for this, they only report a case when the person is both sick and tests positive for Covid, so in a way they let the virus evolve freely in the population. They locked down 70 million people but not the billion others, in effect I think they reached herd immunity by now but I can't find any data on antibody testing in China.

Scientists question China’s decision not to report symptom-free coronavirus cases

Researchers say that excluding these people could conceal the epidemic’s true extent, but others say the practice makes sense.

www.nature.com

 

[Dark_Omen]

I’m not saying it will normal. I am saying it should be.

Air through a mask is still “fresh air” and your immune system will still be exposed to pathogens.

Lol, re-breathing your own air that’s had most of the oxygen taken out of it is not fresh air. What a ridiculous comment.

 

[itickings]

Lol, re-breathing your own air that’s had most of the oxygen taken out of it is not fresh air. What a ridiculous comment.

Yeah, no.

Considering the masks in use, the size of oxygen molecules and the volume of a normal breath, your claim makes no sense whatsoever. Back it up with a credible source. Good luck!

 

[quarkysg]

If there are more deadly and less deadly variants it should automatically apply to Covid, when not restricted that is. Treating a very sick person the same way as a symptom-free person could halt this evolution or even turn it around.

China is an interesting example for this, they only report a case when the person is both sick and tests positive for Covid, so in a way they let the virus evolve freely in the population. They locked down 70 million people but not the billion others, in effect I think they reached herd immunity by now but I can't find any data on antibody testing in China.

Scientists question China’s decision not to report symptom-free coronavirus cases

Researchers say that excluding these people could conceal the epidemic’s true extent, but others say the practice makes sense.

www.nature.com

That article is more than 1 year old. I don't think any government will allow their citizen to get infected without doing anything. They all do mass testing. The economic impact will be devastating. Besides, in this information age, it's extremely unlikely for mass COVID-19 infections to go unnoticed, even in China.

Here's a more recent reporting:

In China's new Covid hotspot, police detain those who violate virus prevention measures

Guangzhou in south China is trying to stem the spread of the Delta Covid variant first found in India, taking measures including lockdowns and legal routes.

www.cnbc.com

 

[4jasontv]

Lol, re-breathing your own air that’s had most of the oxygen taken out of it is not fresh air. What a ridiculous comment.

That’s not how fabric masks work.

 

[Bonte]

That article is more than 1 year old. I don't think any government will allow their citizen to get infected without doing anything. They all do mass testing. The economic impact will be devastating. Besides, in this information age, it's extremely unlikely for mass COVID-19 infections to go unnoticed, even in China.

Here's a more recent reporting:

In China's new Covid hotspot, police detain those who violate virus prevention measures

Guangzhou in south China is trying to stem the spread of the Delta Covid variant first found in India, taking measures including lockdowns and legal routes.

www.cnbc.com

115 cases in Guangzhou, all over China there are cases. If you see 1, you have 1000 you don't see.

Covid has no economic impact, panic and lockdowns do. China is doing everything to minimize panic and lockdowns. Guangzhou is now in lockdown, only 17 million people. 1 billion+ people are not.

Asian countries can't have lockdowns, they are way overpopulated for that, and yet we see no Covid epidemic like we do here. So either Asians have cross-immunity from other SARS viruses or Covid is running rampant without making victims because it could evolve into a non-lethal variant.

 

[Dark_Omen]

Yeah, no.

Considering the masks in use, the size of oxygen molecules and the volume of a normal breath, your claim makes no sense whatsoever. Back it up with a credible source. Good luck!

Put a mask on for several hours. Then take it off and breathe. Which air is more fresh?

I guess when it comes to the internet, I have to set the bar low for some people and their opinions.

Do you sleep with a blanket over your head too and call that fresh air?

 

[quarkysg]

Asian countries can't have lockdowns, they are way overpopulated for that, and yet we see no Covid epidemic like we do here. So either Asians have cross-immunity from other SARS viruses or Covid is running rampant without making victims because it could evolve into a non-lethal variant.

Malaysia went into their 2nd lockdown for the past 3 weeks. Singapore tighten restrictions for the past 3 weeks as well. Taiwan and Hong Kong have seen recent spike in cases, where previously the daily cases have been low. I can assure you that there’s no natural/cross immunity to these diseases in Asia. The difference between the East and West communities is that the folks over at the East are generally more cooperative with government directives.

Without lockdowns to halt the spread of the virus, the healthcare system will be overwhelmed very quickly, leading to high death rate. China mobilized their military and did that (i.e lockdown) to the Wuhan city in Jan 2020, and did mass testing. If they did not do that, we would have a very different outcome today.

IIRC, the Victoria state of Australia also just came out of a 7 days lockdown due to a surge in local cases.

So Asian countries do lockdown their cities to combat this disease.

Most Asian countries are suffering due to some forms of lockdowns or restrictions. So far, it looks like China is the one bright spot where the Chinese people are not suffering economic disruptions as much as other Asian countries.

SARS died down pretty quickly. SARS-CoV-2 came back with a vengeance.

 

[itickings]

Put a mask on for several hours. Then take it off and breathe. Which air is more fresh?

I guess when it comes to the internet, I have to set the bar low for some people and their opinions.

Do you sleep with a blanket over your head too and call that fresh air?

I don’t really care about what you consider fresh or not.

You made a claim that one is re-breathing one’s own air with most of oxygen taken out of it in the context of breathing air through a mask. You need to provide a source for this happening when one breathes through such a mask.

 

[Bonte]

Malaysia went into their 2nd lockdown for the past 3 weeks. Singapore tighten restrictions for the past 3 weeks as well. Taiwan and Hong Kong have seen recent spike in cases, where previously the daily cases have been low. I can assure you that there’s no natural/cross immunity to these diseases in Asia. The difference between the East and West communities is that the folks over at the East are generally more cooperative with government directives.

Without lockdowns to halt the spread of the virus, the healthcare system will be overwhelmed very quickly, leading to high death rate. China mobilized their military and did that (i.e lockdown) to the Wuhan city in Jan 2020, and did mass testing. If they did not do that, we would have a very different outcome today.

IIRC, the Victoria state of Australia also just came out of a 7 days lockdown due to a surge in local cases.

So Asian countries do lockdown their cities to combat this disease.

Most Asian countries are suffering due to some forms of lockdowns or restrictions. So far, it looks like China is the one bright spot where the Chinese people are not suffering economic disruptions as much as other Asian countries.

SARS died down pretty quickly. SARS-CoV-2 came back with a vengeance.

SARS died down but a lot of people in Asia got infected, and we now know that patients who recovered from SARS (SARS-CoV-1 infection) possess robust cross-reactivity to SARS-CoV-2.

It is a very possible explanation for the Asian numbers that are all way better than here. Japan, Malaysia, Thailand and the Philippines all had “negative” excess mortality in 2020 - fewer deaths than they would have recorded in a normal year.

Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries

In many parts of the world, official death tolls undercount the total number of fatalities

www.economist.com

 

[citysnaps]

So many epidemiologists here. I wonder which universities granted their medical degrees?

 

[hans1972]

Probably lost in translation:

A recommendation in this context is not merely a suggestion or proposal as to the best course of action, it means “do this” as strongly worded as possible without it being a law.

The Swedes are also using the word recommendation.

"Från och med den 7 januari 2021 rekommenderas munskydd i kollektivtrafiken mellan klockan 7–9 samt 16–18 vardagar, i hela landet. Folkhälsomyndigheten rekommenderar i nuläget inte en bred användning av munskydd i samhället." -https://www.krisinformation.se/detta-kan-handa/handelser-och-storningar/20192/myndigheterna-om-det-nya-coronaviruset/sa-minskar-vi-smittspridningen/anvanda-munskydd-pa-ratt-satt

If you look at the language used by Swedish authorities it is very mild and emphasis on people voluntary following advice, recommendations and thinking about following recommendations. It is more "should" than "must" and "think about" than "do".

Look at this page: https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se...ioner-for-att-minska-spridningen-av-covid-19/

They are using expressions like "helst" (preferably), "så mycket som möjligt" (as much as possible), "undvik" (avoid), "om det går" (if possible), "viktigt att tänka" (important to think about), "försök" (try), "bör inte" (shouldn't), "det är bra at" (it is good to), "tänk på att följa" (think about following), etc.

 

[btrach144]

And this is the important part: We can't survive dead economics. Desperate people will turn to violence for survival if it gets bad enough. And when innocent people start being attacked and killed for whatever they have, then we've lost all of our social fabric that holds everything together.

And then EVERYBODY loses.

Except for my property or business. "Mask off for identification" will be posted, and you'll have to remove your mask long enough for my cameras to get a clear look at your face. Then you can put your mask right back on and come on in!

But I'll tell you this. I had a lot of house work done last year. Probably had as many as 30-40 people doing work of some sort or another over the course of the year. And I told everybody masks are optional on my property, after said identification procedure. What counts is that they were welcome and appreciated to come onto my property and to work on my home.

Nobody wore masks. Purely optional. But nobody wore one, even if they arrived with one on.


You can throw that number up EVERY TIME YOU DISAGREE with somebody, and it still doesn't matter. Remember, they were counting heart attacks, bee stings, broken legs, and in a few cases CANCER as "covid cause of death", even though some people with those things actually GOT BETTER AND WENT HOME.

So throw that number around all you want. Personally, I think it's at least 50% inflated. Maybe even 80%. And this is all the fault of the corrupt media AND it's ALSO the fault of the permissive public that didn't demand that the media report the truth.

The upshot is that I don't believe it. A lot of people don't believe it. And you using it won't change anybody's mind.

Well that's sad for you then, isn't it, to trust nobody? I don't know what I could say to change your mind, so I won't waste either of us's time trying to do so.

Good points. I did get my vaccine; both doses. And I know people who didn't get it. Whatever; let's move on so we can make some money and invent some cool stuff!

Yep!

This too!

Funny but also sad. I'm debt free. Own my house and my car outright. Highly recommended.

And it will cause your brain to take new meaning from the word "liberty".

I really don't understand what you've written. Are you saying you're happy for the mask? You hate the mask? You can't wait to get out of the house? I totally don't get you here.

Um, I think you also may have self-contradicted once or twice in your missive above. Can you clarify your position?

TLDR, but I think you are against the vaccines. Right? Okay, cool; have a nice day!

Dude, I love the use of the word "uppity". But then you go ruin everything by omitting the apostrophes in "don't". Why?

LOL, funny when you say it that way.

But there's actually a third choice available: Don't get the vaccine and don't go anywhere. Then you won't have to wear the mask. Simple, right?

I don't trust the CDC because it's a bureaucratic government lap dog. But I had my vaccines and they say I don't need a mask, so now the mask is in my back pocket in case I need to go someplace where they still need me to wear one. Like if I need to get a smoothie or stock up on ammunition; you know, essentials like those!

Then I have no need for your business anyways ✌🏻